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On November 24 2012 00:35 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 16:35 Sinedd wrote:On November 23 2012 15:03 SynC[gm] wrote:On November 23 2012 14:45 Jealous wrote:
Question for NW team: Why does Solmyr clear his stats whenever he gets close to/passes C-? Just wondering because it looks suspicious. I'm sorry, but since we ARE playing them this Saturday, can chrisolo absolutely confirm that the team is legitimately D-ranked? There's not a single replay of any of their sets, and their leader is temp-banned from TL while none of their players actually get on TeamLiquid themselves... Plus, most of their accounts either being non-existant or new makes me think, surprisingly, as if they're possibly smurfs. Edit: Also, did nobody really bother to check and notice that MoreAndMore, NW Power's starter, was C- both last season and 2 seasons ago? dude.. he played in almost every D rank tournament out there.. it isnt his fault if he hit C- one time or another.. what he was supposed to do ? lose on purpose just so he wont be C- and can play ? T_T you guys seriously have to be kidding me.. All our players that played in this league so far were legitimate D ranks. And no replays have been uploaded because im working on it.. stop fucking crying ffs.. I thought this is gonna be a fun tournament but its been accusations all along.. its not a players fault if he is borderline D+/C-if you want complete D level then make tournament for D- ranks idk.. because this is seriously getting tiring.. as for the accounts - one can have many accounts on ICCup still right ? or is it not allowed suddenly ? Yes we are all smurfs and our team is composed from PiKe, Mazur, SouthPark, Julia, Draco, MistrZZZ, Suncow, Dreiven, Tarson, MoreAndMore and me you all gonna lose and we will shine in GLORY and bath in fountains of money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UHOHAHAHHEHEHE !!! sooo evil ! Whether or not your players are smurfs or not, MoreAndMore is breaking the rules. There was clearly a set rule about players having to have hit C- at least 2 seasons ago. If MoreAndMore is capable of reaching C-, I don't think it's fair to my players, nor other players that play MoreAndMore to play someone that's hit C- on a consistent basis. If you wanted people to "stop fucking crying", you would've used some more convincing details by actually revealing the ranks and getting them checked yourself so you could avoid accusations. Yes, it's more of a fun league than anything, but I'd still want fairness for the people that also wanna have some success in the league to make it fun.
First, should be removed but won't. Same applies to many other players in this league which brings me to my criticism of your next point:
So apparently, to prove someone has reached a higher rank than D isn't enough to get them removed, but D ranks have to prove that they are D... I don't understand, nor does it matter, this league is now a C-/D+ league, all the lower level players dropped out because of the bullshit of DRTL after Nikon took over.
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On November 24 2012 03:46 MoreAndMMore wrote:OMG i am d+ player i made 2x c- on 3040 pts of 5 x 9 pool speed. LOL. I am d+ player i dont break rules. Rank=/skill 
That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. If you hit C-, you're C-. There's no "Oh, but I 9pooled my way there DOESN'T COUNT".
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On November 24 2012 05:07 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:46 MoreAndMMore wrote:OMG i am d+ player i made 2x c- on 3040 pts of 5 x 9 pool speed. LOL. I am d+ player i dont break rules. Rank=/skill That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. If you hit C-, you're C-. There's no "Oh, but I 9pooled my way there DOESN'T COUNT".
Countless people in this league have hit C- or stopped laddering close to C- with a 5-1 or higher win rate. Massssss is actually closer to being legitimate for this league than many others mainly + Show Spoiler + Not going to point out any names. I'm not saying that masssss should be allowed to play, C- is C-, but like I said, if he can't the league needs to be cleaned up because many players are better than him.
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On November 24 2012 05:07 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:46 MoreAndMMore wrote:OMG i am d+ player i made 2x c- on 3040 pts of 5 x 9 pool speed. LOL. I am d+ player i dont break rules. Rank=/skill That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. If you hit C-, you're C-. There's no "Oh, but I 9pooled my way there DOESN'T COUNT".
massssssss' s results in D ranks events:
DRIT season1 RO8
DRIT season2 RO16
On recorded D ranks games he went 8-9 giving him a win record of 47% , and is listed as #81 in ELO ranks.
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When did I ever say that this excluded him from the league?
I just said him saying that he isn't C- because he just 9pool speed'd five games to get there is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
If he goes full retard mode and loses a bunch of games, that's his problem, but that doesn't exclude the fact that he's hit C-.
On November 24 2012 05:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:07 Zergneedsfood wrote:On November 24 2012 03:46 MoreAndMMore wrote:OMG i am d+ player i made 2x c- on 3040 pts of 5 x 9 pool speed. LOL. I am d+ player i dont break rules. Rank=/skill That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. If you hit C-, you're C-. There's no "Oh, but I 9pooled my way there DOESN'T COUNT". Countless people in this league have hit C- or stopped laddering close to C- with a 5-1 or higher win rate. Massssss is actually closer to being legitimate for this league than many others mainly + Show Spoiler + Not going to point out any names. I'm not saying that masssss should be allowed to play, C- is C-, but like I said, if he can't the league needs to be cleaned up because many players are better than him.
Including yourself, no?
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On November 24 2012 05:29 Zergneedsfood wrote:When did I ever say that this excluded him from the league? I just said him saying that he isn't C- because he just 9pool speed'd five games to get there is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If he goes full retard mode and loses a bunch of games, that's his problem, but that doesn't exclude the fact that he's hit C-. Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:11 Eywa- wrote:On November 24 2012 05:07 Zergneedsfood wrote:On November 24 2012 03:46 MoreAndMMore wrote:OMG i am d+ player i made 2x c- on 3040 pts of 5 x 9 pool speed. LOL. I am d+ player i dont break rules. Rank=/skill That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. If you hit C-, you're C-. There's no "Oh, but I 9pooled my way there DOESN'T COUNT". Countless people in this league have hit C- or stopped laddering close to C- with a 5-1 or higher win rate. Massssss is actually closer to being legitimate for this league than many others mainly + Show Spoiler + Not going to point out any names. I'm not saying that masssss should be allowed to play, C- is C-, but like I said, if he can't the league needs to be cleaned up because many players are better than him. Including yourself, no?
I've never hit C-, I got B rank because of admin stupidity and maybe would have gotten C- when I was active, but I haven't played actively in the past full year... maybe 10 games total. So given that I never hit C- and was ALMOST there before, I doubt I can come anywhere near now.
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On November 24 2012 04:56 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 00:35 SynC[gm] wrote:On November 23 2012 16:35 Sinedd wrote:On November 23 2012 15:03 SynC[gm] wrote:On November 23 2012 14:45 Jealous wrote:
Question for NW team: Why does Solmyr clear his stats whenever he gets close to/passes C-? Just wondering because it looks suspicious. I'm sorry, but since we ARE playing them this Saturday, can chrisolo absolutely confirm that the team is legitimately D-ranked? There's not a single replay of any of their sets, and their leader is temp-banned from TL while none of their players actually get on TeamLiquid themselves... Plus, most of their accounts either being non-existant or new makes me think, surprisingly, as if they're possibly smurfs. Edit: Also, did nobody really bother to check and notice that MoreAndMore, NW Power's starter, was C- both last season and 2 seasons ago? dude.. he played in almost every D rank tournament out there.. it isnt his fault if he hit C- one time or another.. what he was supposed to do ? lose on purpose just so he wont be C- and can play ? T_T you guys seriously have to be kidding me.. All our players that played in this league so far were legitimate D ranks. And no replays have been uploaded because im working on it.. stop fucking crying ffs.. I thought this is gonna be a fun tournament but its been accusations all along.. its not a players fault if he is borderline D+/C-if you want complete D level then make tournament for D- ranks idk.. because this is seriously getting tiring.. as for the accounts - one can have many accounts on ICCup still right ? or is it not allowed suddenly ? Yes we are all smurfs and our team is composed from PiKe, Mazur, SouthPark, Julia, Draco, MistrZZZ, Suncow, Dreiven, Tarson, MoreAndMore and me you all gonna lose and we will shine in GLORY and bath in fountains of money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UHOHAHAHHEHEHE !!! sooo evil ! Whether or not your players are smurfs or not, MoreAndMore is breaking the rules. There was clearly a set rule about players having to have hit C- at least 2 seasons ago. If MoreAndMore is capable of reaching C-, I don't think it's fair to my players, nor other players that play MoreAndMore to play someone that's hit C- on a consistent basis. If you wanted people to "stop fucking crying", you would've used some more convincing details by actually revealing the ranks and getting them checked yourself so you could avoid accusations. Yes, it's more of a fun league than anything, but I'd still want fairness for the people that also wanna have some success in the league to make it fun. First, should be removed but won't. Same applies to many other players in this league which brings me to my criticism of your next point: So apparently, to prove someone has reached a higher rank than D isn't enough to get them removed, but D ranks have to prove that they are D... I don't understand, nor does it matter, this league is now a C-/D+ league, all the lower level players dropped out because of the bullshit of DRTL after Nikon took over.
Sucks, 'cause don't you think there's still the possibility of newer people joining the D-rank leagues after Nikon did his thing? I'm pretty sure most of SunKan and my team consists of new players who's never competed before in D-rank leagues, which leaves the possibility that they might be these "lower level players" you're talking about that all dropped out.
If they're C- from the improvement they've been getting from the past D-rank leagues, I don't see anything wrong with that, you're helping your team improve as well as yourself. However, if you suddenly enter the league, having never competed before here, with a C- rank before (whilest the rules clearly state that you have to have had C- from at least 2 seasons ago), that's a different story.
I never said anyone had to prove they were D-rank, but Sinedd came on saying that he went on a separate forum, asking if they wanted to compete, and had a bunch of random folks volunteer for the league. Now, after reading the rules and having a sense of wanting to have some fun, wouldn't you, or anyone else, at least make sure that they weren't just fucking around with you and that they were actually E/D-/D/D+?
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I agree that the league is too D+ centered, and the skill levels of the top tier players should be evaluated, maybe by incorporating Birdie's elo system. Historically, you've been allowed to hit C-, if you struggle to sustain it. A great example of a player around this skill level is msj[uround], but it seems like he doesn't play in the league anymore.
But anyway, this is not the right time to have this discussion. Let's finish this season first, and focus on the blatantly obvious overpowered players only, if there are any.
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Part of the problem is that people were supposed to get bumped into the CRTL, but it uh... did not exist for very long, unfortunately 
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On November 24 2012 05:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:07 Zergneedsfood wrote:On November 24 2012 03:46 MoreAndMMore wrote:OMG i am d+ player i made 2x c- on 3040 pts of 5 x 9 pool speed. LOL. I am d+ player i dont break rules. Rank=/skill That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. If you hit C-, you're C-. There's no "Oh, but I 9pooled my way there DOESN'T COUNT". Countless people in this league have hit C- or stopped laddering close to C- with a 5-1 or higher win rate. Massssss is actually closer to being legitimate for this league than many others mainly + Show Spoiler + Not going to point out any names. I'm not saying that masssss should be allowed to play, C- is C-, but like I said, if he can't the league needs to be cleaned up because many players are better than him.
Eywa do you have some sort of drama radar that goes off so that you never miss an opportunity to show up and sling shit around and make it worse? "Not going to point out any names" LOL. I'm sick of this vendetta you have against me, can't you just fuck off? Are you still butthurt about losing to me back then, or is it because your consequent complaint that because I beat you therefore I must be too good was summarily ignored by all? I've been nothing but honest about my past ranks, and it seems that only you have a problem with my current skill level (excluding DRIT S3 decision which I understood given my performance in S2).
All I want is an executive decision on the matter; chrisolo made one when I asked him about being allowed to participate in the league, I'm sure that the same applies to Courage team, and Massssssss. The reason I bring up other players, like Sync said, is because they have no history of participation in DR leagues so we have no gauge on their skill level and when there is suspicious activity, I feel that it is important to speak up in favor of upholding the legitimacy of this league. If chrisolo says that they're fine, I'll drop the subject instantly. Maybe you should do the same.
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I'm sorry, but who is this Massssssss and Babo and what exactly did Nikon do in the past, I'm all so confused...
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Less complaining and MORE GAMING...to improve. geez...Eywa maybe thats why you never got out of D+?
Like I'm sorry dude but I know you run your leagues which many of us are very thankful for, but this is not run by you. So you can't hate on the administrator's final decisions.
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On November 24 2012 06:59 SynC[gm] wrote:
I'm sorry, but who is this Massssssss and Babo and what exactly did Nikon do in the past, I'm all so confused...
I am BaBo on Sun Kan. Massssssss is MoreAndMore on NW.
Nikon was the person who ran one of the DRTL leagues, and Eywa- is unhappy about his decision-making in terms of permitting certain players to play.
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Who the hell are overpowered players in the league? lol
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On November 24 2012 07:00 SlowBullets wrote:
Less complaining and MORE GAMING...to improve. geez...Eywa maybe thats why you never got out of D+?
Like I'm sorry dude but I know you run your leagues which many of us are very thankful for, but this is not run by you. So you can't hate on the administrator's final decisions.
o_o I don't play Brood War, obvious reason, no one is trying to hide why I'm D rank. lol
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On November 24 2012 07:16 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Who the hell are overpowered players in the league? lol
Well, he did say "if there are any"...
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On November 24 2012 06:55 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:11 Eywa- wrote:On November 24 2012 05:07 Zergneedsfood wrote:On November 24 2012 03:46 MoreAndMMore wrote:OMG i am d+ player i made 2x c- on 3040 pts of 5 x 9 pool speed. LOL. I am d+ player i dont break rules. Rank=/skill That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. If you hit C-, you're C-. There's no "Oh, but I 9pooled my way there DOESN'T COUNT". Countless people in this league have hit C- or stopped laddering close to C- with a 5-1 or higher win rate. Massssss is actually closer to being legitimate for this league than many others mainly + Show Spoiler + Not going to point out any names. I'm not saying that masssss should be allowed to play, C- is C-, but like I said, if he can't the league needs to be cleaned up because many players are better than him. Eywa do you have some sort of drama radar that goes off so that you never miss an opportunity to show up and sling shit around and make it worse? "Not going to point out any names" LOL. I'm sick of this vendetta you have against me, can't you just fuck off? Are you still butthurt about losing to me back then, or is it because your consequent complaint that because I beat you therefore I must be too good was summarily ignored by all? I've been nothing but honest about my past ranks, and it seems that only you have a problem with my current skill level (excluding DRIT S3 decision which I understood given my performance in S2). All I want is an executive decision on the matter; chrisolo made one when I asked him about being allowed to participate in the league, I'm sure that the same applies to Courage team, and Massssssss. The reason I bring up other players, like Sync said, is because they have no history of participation in DR leagues so we have no gauge on their skill level and when there is suspicious activity, I feel that it is important to speak up in favor of upholding the legitimacy of this league. If chrisolo says that they're fine, I'll drop the subject instantly. Maybe you should do the same.
Meh, I don't really care about your performance in DRIT2 mostly because, I should have been playing you in the finals rather than have Pebble walk over me because my opponent didn't show to the given time of the match.
+ Show Spoiler +He actually forced a Post-Pone which I told him I couldn't play, so he walkover'd me because I wouldn't accommodate my opponent's inability to play on the weekend (when people don't work - at least that tends to be the case in north america)
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On November 24 2012 07:16 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Who the hell are overpowered players in the league? lol
+ Show Spoiler +Team Courage's top line up has a win rate of 6:1 for individual sets, if you do the math and with how people claim most of the people in this league are D+, how many sets before you reach C-? (It's actually simple math, not sure if you learned to count though)
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There's too many people that seem to be intent on tearing down the few good things we have left in BW over trivial matters. Why can't we all just get along and have some fun? Perhaps an ELO system would indeed be good, but can we think about solutions rather than keep naming the issue and pointing fingers?
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On November 24 2012 07:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's too many people that seem to be intent on tearing down the few good things we have left in BW over trivial matters. Why can't we all just get along and have some fun? Perhaps an ELO system would indeed be good, but can we think about solutions rather than keep naming the issue and pointing fingers?
I agree,
Solution 1: No race changing because previous race became too easy (higher level players were not allowed to sign up with off race)
Anyone else please post suggestions and feedback!
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