• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:17
CEST 04:17
KST 11:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27
Community News
Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer2Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2
StarCraft 2
General
Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey. Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 33335 users

[GC3] sas vs SJ - Page 2

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
August 06 2012 02:32 GMT
#21
wow really grats sas

michael you really need to step it up or we send you back to kitchen as dish washer.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
August 06 2012 04:03 GMT
#22

Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 06 2012 04:26 GMT
#23
What's SJ exactly ? Based on the members I can guess it's a new name of Nb. but when and why did that occur ?
Thanks
ॐ
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
August 06 2012 04:47 GMT
#24
On August 06 2012 13:26 endy wrote:
What's SJ exactly ? Based on the members I can guess it's a new name of Nb. but when and why did that occur ?
Thanks

They lost their old sponsor, got a new one.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Mango
Profile Joined July 2006
Belgium522 Posts
August 06 2012 11:34 GMT
#25
On August 06 2012 13:26 endy wrote:
What's SJ exactly ? Based on the members I can guess it's a new name of Nb. but when and why did that occur ?
Thanks

There was a thread about it some time ago : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351364
+ Show Spoiler +

And congrats Michael !
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 06 2012 19:53 GMT
#26
If Eagle was a no-show, shouldn't the LRM vs Eagle match be "no contest"? It always seems a bit disingenuous to claim a win when no match took place. I can see where a walk-over would make sense in a competition sense where you have points to earn, but for a showmatch, where points are non-applicable, I would recommend a "no contest".

Additionally, I strongly would recommend not adding walkovers to players' win ratios, because it skews the numbers heavily. For example, would be the point of saying "I won 100% of my games" if they were all walkovers? Taking a walkover should, in my opinion, be heavily discouraged in competitive play.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
August 06 2012 21:24 GMT
#27
On August 07 2012 04:53 ninazerg wrote:
If Eagle was a no-show, shouldn't the LRM vs Eagle match be "no contest"? It always seems a bit disingenuous to claim a win when no match took place. I can see where a walk-over would make sense in a competition sense where you have points to earn, but for a showmatch, where points are non-applicable, I would recommend a "no contest".

Additionally, I strongly would recommend not adding walkovers to players' win ratios, because it skews the numbers heavily. For example, would be the point of saying "I won 100% of my games" if they were all walkovers? Taking a walkover should, in my opinion, be heavily discouraged in competitive play.

W.O is just a broad term that is understood by the masses, as it's been the norm forever. The same way when you ask someone for a game you say "game?" rather than "Do you want to play?". This is also disingenuous, but accomplishes the goal of breaking any language barriers. How can you add a walkover to a players win ratio? It's actually almost impossible to attribute a win to a player in this league, because W.O's are only given in special circumstances where both players are there, and the team leader sent them both in knowing they could both play. W.O's are discouraged, I'm not sure where you'd form an opinion that they were common practice to achieve.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 21:38:54
August 06 2012 21:37 GMT
#28
On August 07 2012 06:24 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 04:53 ninazerg wrote:
If Eagle was a no-show, shouldn't the LRM vs Eagle match be "no contest"? It always seems a bit disingenuous to claim a win when no match took place. I can see where a walk-over would make sense in a competition sense where you have points to earn, but for a showmatch, where points are non-applicable, I would recommend a "no contest".

Additionally, I strongly would recommend not adding walkovers to players' win ratios, because it skews the numbers heavily. For example, would be the point of saying "I won 100% of my games" if they were all walkovers? Taking a walkover should, in my opinion, be heavily discouraged in competitive play.

W.O is just a broad term that is understood by the masses, as it's been the norm forever. The same way when you ask someone for a game you say "game?" rather than "Do you want to play?". This is also disingenuous, but accomplishes the goal of breaking any language barriers. How can you add a walkover to a players win ratio? It's actually almost impossible to attribute a win to a player in this league, because W.O's are only given in special circumstances where both players are there, and the team leader sent them both in knowing they could both play. W.O's are discouraged, I'm not sure where you'd form an opinion that they were common practice to achieve.


I see your point, but since Teamliquid.net's official language is English, and most of the people posting have fairly decent comprehension skills, I just thought it would help to clarify terms. As far as the issue of my opinion of walkovers, when money is on the line, I think it can be tempting to team leaders to take a walkover rather than issue a postponement - for example, I remember a clan league where this one clan took mostly walkovers to win their division, and declared themselves to be "the best". Just speaking from what I've seen personally, I'd hate to see that here. As a spectator, I would love to see every team play every other team.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 07 2012 02:31 GMT
#29
It was a show match, nothing to do with the league itself. The player somehow decided it was okay to not show up after acknowledging a reminder the day before. Call it a Walk Over, call it a no-show, call it whatever, it doesn't count toward the league anyway.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
August 07 2012 04:35 GMT
#30
Gogo Michael. Grabbing the first all-kill
Hyvaa #1 Fan. Gogo STX, Dear, Bogus, Classic, and Mini! Always a BW fan!
Gairbear
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States80 Posts
August 15 2012 17:38 GMT
#31
Michael Hwaiting! Way to find yourself out of a few disadvantageous builds and prove to us why you are the cheese king with some very creative builds.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2025 GSL S2 - Ro8 Group A
CranKy Ducklings172
EnkiAlexander 117
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 121
NeuroSwarm 92
Nina 69
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 868
ajuk12(nOOB) 42
Bale 9
Icarus 9
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K593
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor170
Other Games
summit1g12256
C9.Mang01238
shahzam1226
JimRising 551
ViBE270
ToD224
Maynarde195
Trikslyr70
Mew2King53
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1251
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH289
• Hupsaiya 103
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki26
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5146
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
8h 43m
Replay Cast
21h 43m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 7h
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
SC Evo League
5 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-11
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.