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HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
August 05 2012 16:56 GMT
#7341
Well, I just saw the vods. So Jangbi cheesed in three of the games and lost the only game where he played straight. I'm sure glad I didn't stay up for that. The last BW final (if it's really the last one) was also one of the worst.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 05 2012 17:23 GMT
#7342
On August 05 2012 16:04 WaterTower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 08:43 Anomarad wrote:
On August 05 2012 08:14 o[twist] wrote:
it's hard to believe when you can get a 363-page thread of people who have woken up or stayed up to watch a game played across the world, when you can fill a stadium with people chanting the players' names, etc. you still don't have enough to keep the game going


I wonder if some major organization in Korea tried to start a league if Blizzard would even allow it. Probably would shut them down or incorporate fees to make them give up.

Anyway! The games were decent enough but the fans and legendary players made this finals a great one.


Most people believe Blizzard is to blame. The wanted more control and profits over their game, and BW is no longer generating them profits given how much user control there is and how cheap the game has gotten. So KeSPA was forced to turn all the progamers to SCII.

Which is ironic because it was user-created content that saved one of their main games- Warcraft III. It was the independent idea of enterprising Koreans to keep Starcraft alive and vigorously growing until the advent of SCII.

Blizzard meets every definition of being an overly capitalistic, short-sighted, self-serving, ignorant, greedy enterprise.

Too bad they are digging their own grave.

SCII is relatively far less popular that SC, and LoL is now the more popular broadcast game.

Hopefully once the capitalist society crumbles, we can get better video games =\
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10363 Posts
August 05 2012 18:47 GMT
#7343
On August 05 2012 19:15 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 18:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
For when the legends come on stage, how did they handle this? Did they tell who could come and not before the event or what? For example, was grrrr not invited to come on stage or did he maybe just not want to? Also same with Bisu Flash Jaedong, were they just not at this OSL? Would have loved to see grrrr there


Jaedong was confirmed in the crowd. I saw the camera pan to him twice. No clue on Bisu/Flash, but chances of Bisu being there should be extremely high considering it's his teammate playing and he most likely helped him prepare for the finals. I'm completely lost as to why Jaedong and Flash weren't on stage. Bisu never won an OSL though. All his golds came from MSL. So, I can understand why he wasn't up there. Then again, Yellow was there lololol


Oh yeah, thought I did see jaedong.

Hmm strange. I didn't consider maybe they only considered OSL legends instead of MSL or such. But I would think they would invite them either way. Maybe jaedong/elky/grrrr weren't there because the crowd was too big and they couldn't get to the front fast? ;D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 19:03:25
August 05 2012 19:00 GMT
#7344
On August 06 2012 03:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 19:15 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 05 2012 18:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
For when the legends come on stage, how did they handle this? Did they tell who could come and not before the event or what? For example, was grrrr not invited to come on stage or did he maybe just not want to? Also same with Bisu Flash Jaedong, were they just not at this OSL? Would have loved to see grrrr there


Jaedong was confirmed in the crowd. I saw the camera pan to him twice. No clue on Bisu/Flash, but chances of Bisu being there should be extremely high considering it's his teammate playing and he most likely helped him prepare for the finals. I'm completely lost as to why Jaedong and Flash weren't on stage. Bisu never won an OSL though. All his golds came from MSL. So, I can understand why he wasn't up there. Then again, Yellow was there lololol


Oh yeah, thought I did see jaedong.

Hmm strange. I didn't consider maybe they only considered OSL legends instead of MSL or such. But I would think they would invite them either way. Maybe jaedong/elky/grrrr weren't there because the crowd was too big and they couldn't get to the front fast? ;D

Most likely they weren't asked and it was a spontaneous kind of thing, or they declined/left before that. And Jaedong being left out for not being an OSL legend would make no sense at all. The guy has a golden mouse, and is 1 of 3 players(incl Jangbi) to have won back to back OSLs.
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Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
August 05 2012 20:11 GMT
#7345
Yellow got his revenge from that sc2 match they set up, owned boxer pretty hard. The games themselves didnt end too entertaining but still fun to watch bw
cybertopo
Profile Joined February 2010
Spain525 Posts
August 05 2012 20:19 GMT
#7346
Pretty bad finals, Jangbi cheesing was pretty anti-climactic and I still think Fantasy is the better player
Hurr Durr
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
August 05 2012 20:21 GMT
#7347
+: protoss champion
-: really bad games to be honest
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
August 05 2012 20:50 GMT
#7348
On August 06 2012 01:56 HnR)hT wrote:
Well, I just saw the vods. So Jangbi cheesed in three of the games and lost the only game where he played straight. I'm sure glad I didn't stay up for that. The last BW final (if it's really the last one) was also one of the worst.


Jangbi cheeses in pretty much every game he plays..
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10363 Posts
August 05 2012 21:55 GMT
#7349
On August 06 2012 04:00 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 03:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On August 05 2012 19:15 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 05 2012 18:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
For when the legends come on stage, how did they handle this? Did they tell who could come and not before the event or what? For example, was grrrr not invited to come on stage or did he maybe just not want to? Also same with Bisu Flash Jaedong, were they just not at this OSL? Would have loved to see grrrr there


Jaedong was confirmed in the crowd. I saw the camera pan to him twice. No clue on Bisu/Flash, but chances of Bisu being there should be extremely high considering it's his teammate playing and he most likely helped him prepare for the finals. I'm completely lost as to why Jaedong and Flash weren't on stage. Bisu never won an OSL though. All his golds came from MSL. So, I can understand why he wasn't up there. Then again, Yellow was there lololol


Oh yeah, thought I did see jaedong.

Hmm strange. I didn't consider maybe they only considered OSL legends instead of MSL or such. But I would think they would invite them either way. Maybe jaedong/elky/grrrr weren't there because the crowd was too big and they couldn't get to the front fast? ;D

Most likely they weren't asked and it was a spontaneous kind of thing, or they declined/left before that. And Jaedong being left out for not being an OSL legend would make no sense at all. The guy has a golden mouse, and is 1 of 3 players(incl Jangbi) to have won back to back OSLs.


Oh, good points. Would have loved to see grrrr and elky up there ;; lol. If it was spontaneous I'm guessing they just asked for all progamers to come up, I don't think they announced names or anything before they came up.


Also I forgot this but yellow was playing SC1 longer (around a year) than Boxer has, so i guess it makes sense yellow played better than boxer. (And of course boxer may not have been able to play/practice too well cus he didn't want to irritate his shoulder problem).
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
August 05 2012 22:14 GMT
#7350
After 12 years and many chapters written, the oh so awaited Brood War epilogue:

"DT rush trololol"

A true tribute to nerd rages. May Idra and Artosis rest in peace.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 22:23:55
August 05 2012 22:22 GMT
#7351
On August 06 2012 05:50 tryummm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 01:56 HnR)hT wrote:
Well, I just saw the vods. So Jangbi cheesed in three of the games and lost the only game where he played straight. I'm sure glad I didn't stay up for that. The last BW final (if it's really the last one) was also one of the worst.


Jangbi cheeses in pretty much every game he plays..

Didn't July said once that a BO5 is mostly mind game?

Jangbi won both OSL by outsmarting his opponents. That include his BO3 against Flash. If he had been playing autopilote mode macro games, he would have died to both Flash and Fantasy, every time.

People have to understand that "cheese" is a part of Brood War. And for Christ sake, dt opening is not even a cheese. It's like, one of the main opening toss can chose at the beginning of the game. If, as a terran, you are dumb enough not to build detection at all, you deserve to lose. And if you don't smell anything fishy, maybe you should reconsider your scouting, or admit you got outsmarted.

I seriously hate this bitter attitude. It's also the same people that complain that toss never win that get mad because a toss player choses to play something else than textbook blind macro bullshit (that incidentally happens to die to 200/200 3-3 terran balls microed by stellar S+ class players, for some unknown reason).

And for people who say that this serie sucks because we didn't see maxed army clashing each other out of 75 gateways / factory, I would like to remind you that one of serie that really will stay in all our memories, one of the most unnforgettable moment in Brood War is Boxer bunker rushing Yellow three times in a row. That is history.

/rant
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
August 05 2012 22:51 GMT
#7352
On August 06 2012 02:23 jodogohoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 16:04 WaterTower wrote:
On August 05 2012 08:43 Anomarad wrote:
On August 05 2012 08:14 o[twist] wrote:
it's hard to believe when you can get a 363-page thread of people who have woken up or stayed up to watch a game played across the world, when you can fill a stadium with people chanting the players' names, etc. you still don't have enough to keep the game going


I wonder if some major organization in Korea tried to start a league if Blizzard would even allow it. Probably would shut them down or incorporate fees to make them give up.

Anyway! The games were decent enough but the fans and legendary players made this finals a great one.


Most people believe Blizzard is to blame. The wanted more control and profits over their game, and BW is no longer generating them profits given how much user control there is and how cheap the game has gotten. So KeSPA was forced to turn all the progamers to SCII.

Which is ironic because it was user-created content that saved one of their main games- Warcraft III. It was the independent idea of enterprising Koreans to keep Starcraft alive and vigorously growing until the advent of SCII.

Blizzard meets every definition of being an overly capitalistic, short-sighted, self-serving, ignorant, greedy enterprise.

Too bad they are digging their own grave.

SCII is relatively far less popular that SC, and LoL is now the more popular broadcast game.

Hopefully once the capitalist society crumbles, we can get better video games =\


Blizzard's legal action was likely the death blow, but they were dealing with other issues before that such as the match fixing scandal attacking their integrity and just the general decline relative to other games. Its likely BW would have lasted longer if Blizzard never stepped in, but in all honesty it didn't look like it was going to last forever anyway. It would still have LoL, SC2, WC3, DotA2 and the all those new Korean based games to deal with anyway. Blizzard is an easy targe, but there were a number of issues that were not being addressed which contributed this.

Also, they acknowledged Savior in the video? I thought he was stricken from the record and banished to outer rim.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 05 2012 22:51 GMT
#7353
On August 06 2012 00:43 ShivaRee wrote:
excuse me, anyone know the name of the song that after The classic "let it be"
then some famous players(Themarine Reach XellOs YellOw etc)was standing together in the stage to memory...
Maroon 5 - Payphone + Show Spoiler +
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
August 05 2012 22:57 GMT
#7354
On August 06 2012 07:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
After 12 years and many chapters written, the oh so awaited Brood War epilogue:

"DT rush trololol"

A true tribute to nerd rages. May Idra and Artosis rest in peace.


ahah so true, so true...
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 05 2012 22:57 GMT
#7355
On August 06 2012 04:00 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 03:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On August 05 2012 19:15 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 05 2012 18:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
For when the legends come on stage, how did they handle this? Did they tell who could come and not before the event or what? For example, was grrrr not invited to come on stage or did he maybe just not want to? Also same with Bisu Flash Jaedong, were they just not at this OSL? Would have loved to see grrrr there


Jaedong was confirmed in the crowd. I saw the camera pan to him twice. No clue on Bisu/Flash, but chances of Bisu being there should be extremely high considering it's his teammate playing and he most likely helped him prepare for the finals. I'm completely lost as to why Jaedong and Flash weren't on stage. Bisu never won an OSL though. All his golds came from MSL. So, I can understand why he wasn't up there. Then again, Yellow was there lololol


Oh yeah, thought I did see jaedong.

Hmm strange. I didn't consider maybe they only considered OSL legends instead of MSL or such. But I would think they would invite them either way. Maybe jaedong/elky/grrrr weren't there because the crowd was too big and they couldn't get to the front fast? ;D

Most likely they weren't asked and it was a spontaneous kind of thing, or they declined/left before that. And Jaedong being left out for not being an OSL legend would make no sense at all. The guy has a golden mouse, and is 1 of 3 players(incl Jangbi) to have won back to back OSLs.

Not to mention (Z)YellOw was on the stage for some reason. I think it was probably an impromptu kind of thing.
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
August 05 2012 23:51 GMT
#7356
On August 05 2012 20:17 lequinow wrote:
What bothers me with the third game is how strong protoss units are when there is no longer a wall to keep them away. I've seen so many early elevators and almost as many terran never being able to deffend against the build.

Well, it was kind of anticlimatic at the end, but the serie was great. However, both semifinals were better IMO.


Because when you have a wall, you don't build units. Fanta had like 3 marines and a tank, without a wall that's food for goons.
Fan of the Jangbanger
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5763 Posts
August 06 2012 00:11 GMT
#7357
On August 06 2012 01:56 HnR)hT wrote:
Well, I just saw the vods. So Jangbi cheesed in three of the games and lost the only game where he played straight. I'm sure glad I didn't stay up for that. The last BW final (if it's really the last one) was also one of the worst.

Can you elaborate on why you think it's a problem that Jangbi won three games not in the way you think he was supposed to play?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 06 2012 00:19 GMT
#7358
On August 06 2012 08:51 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 20:17 lequinow wrote:
What bothers me with the third game is how strong protoss units are when there is no longer a wall to keep them away. I've seen so many early elevators and almost as many terran never being able to deffend against the build.

Well, it was kind of anticlimatic at the end, but the serie was great. However, both semifinals were better IMO.


Because when you have a wall, you don't build units. Fanta had like 3 marines and a tank, without a wall that's food for goons.


+You are suppose to do w.e. in your possibly to kill the power of the robo with your unit once scouted or just simply place turret at the freaken correct position on the outskirt of the base and not on the mineral lines so that you may 1. scout what the fuck is going on and 2. have couple of more seconds to react properly to such rushes.
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SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
August 06 2012 01:25 GMT
#7359
Good night sweet prince @ OSL

Thank you for being a source of entertainment for 12 years. <3
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
August 06 2012 02:34 GMT
#7360
I got into watching esports via SC2, but I played a tiny bit of BW back in the day. Holy shit is this game fun to watch!!! lol

Luckily I have like 10 years of matches to catch up on :|

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