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trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 19:48:18
September 30 2012 19:47 GMT
#841
ok nvm...
yo~.~
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
September 30 2012 20:03 GMT
#842
Interviews for the Play-offs: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372501 Too bad there was so much lag conflict with LRM and CN, a bit strange that this was the only CW that resulted like this. I guess reps has been given a second chance but now this raises the question, if LRM can't play CN then what will you decide for round2? (They both have to do another possible tie-break?)
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6807 Posts
September 30 2012 20:39 GMT
#843
ok was all a dream.sorry reps
reps)Plumbum
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 21:25:04
September 30 2012 21:18 GMT
#844
interesting spot! :D
(interesting possible point of view xdddd)
okay, reps plays vs LRM 1st and then vs CN.
If reps loses 0-4 to LRM, we simply have no motivation to play vs CN and we will "make" 0-4 vs CN too. And now again LRM and CN are in same position, and what then? Another ties?
if reps loses x-4 to lrm, we again have no motivation to play vs CN.

The only possible variant is when 1st team, who plays us, loses 3-4 to reps. This means that next match both teams - reps and 2nd will have enough motivation to play.

example:D
LRM 4-0 reps. -> reps 0-4 CN -> CN = LRM -> ???? :D
LRM 4-1/4-2/4-3/ reps. -> reps 0-4 CN -> LRM<CN, CN qualifies. LRM CANT WIN us, if they want to live, they MUST lose to us and only 3-4.
LRM 3-4 reps. Thats it! now both, reps and cn are fighting for their lives.
obviously 1st team, has a great disadvantage in this spot.


ah no LOL. And for LRM there is not point to lose 3-4, cause if they lose 3-4, and reps wins CN, they will not qualify :D:D:D
roflmao. So looks like that 1st team, which plays reps, cant qualify ANYWAY :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ROFLMAOOO xD

so complicated

This situation is so funny xDDDDDD
reps)Plumbum
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation484 Posts
September 30 2012 21:26 GMT
#845
But obviously reps will not try to cheat, we will just DEMOLISH BOTH LRM AND CN >____<
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
September 30 2012 21:53 GMT
#846
On October 01 2012 06:18 reps)Plumbum wrote:
interesting spot! :D
(interesting possible point of view xdddd)
okay, reps plays vs LRM 1st and then vs CN.
If reps loses 0-4 to LRM, we simply have no motivation to play vs CN and we will "make" 0-4 vs CN too. And now again LRM and CN are in same position, and what then? Another ties?
if reps loses x-4 to lrm, we again have no motivation to play vs CN.

The only possible variant is when 1st team, who plays us, loses 3-4 to reps. This means that next match both teams - reps and 2nd will have enough motivation to play.

example:D
LRM 4-0 reps. -> reps 0-4 CN -> CN = LRM -> ???? :D
LRM 4-1/4-2/4-3/ reps. -> reps 0-4 CN -> LRM<CN, CN qualifies. LRM CANT WIN us, if they want to live, they MUST lose to us and only 3-4.
LRM 3-4 reps. Thats it! now both, reps and cn are fighting for their lives.
obviously 1st team, has a great disadvantage in this spot.


ah no LOL. And for LRM there is not point to lose 3-4, cause if they lose 3-4, and reps wins CN, they will not qualify :D:D:D
roflmao. So looks like that 1st team, which plays reps, cant qualify ANYWAY :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ROFLMAOOO xD

so complicated

This situation is so funny xDDDDDD



...genius-ception
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
September 30 2012 22:05 GMT
#847
On October 01 2012 06:18 reps)Plumbum wrote:
interesting spot! :D
(interesting possible point of view xdddd)
okay, reps plays vs LRM 1st and then vs CN.
If reps loses 0-4 to LRM, we simply have no motivation to play vs CN and we will "make" 0-4 vs CN too. And now again LRM and CN are in same position, and what then? Another ties?
if reps loses x-4 to lrm, we again have no motivation to play vs CN.

The only possible variant is when 1st team, who plays us, loses 3-4 to reps. This means that next match both teams - reps and 2nd will have enough motivation to play.

example:D
LRM 4-0 reps. -> reps 0-4 CN -> CN = LRM -> ???? :D
LRM 4-1/4-2/4-3/ reps. -> reps 0-4 CN -> LRM<CN, CN qualifies. LRM CANT WIN us, if they want to live, they MUST lose to us and only 3-4.
LRM 3-4 reps. Thats it! now both, reps and cn are fighting for their lives.
obviously 1st team, has a great disadvantage in this spot.


ah no LOL. And for LRM there is not point to lose 3-4, cause if they lose 3-4, and reps wins CN, they will not qualify :D:D:D
roflmao. So looks like that 1st team, which plays reps, cant qualify ANYWAY :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ROFLMAOOO xD

so complicated

This situation is so funny xDDDDDD

+ Show Spoiler [Due to Season results thus far] +

If reps) forfeits, LRM) Advance
If LRM) forfeits, winner of reps) vs CN advance
If CN forfeits, winner of LRM) vs reps) advance
If CN and LRM) are tied, LRM) Advance

Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
September 30 2012 22:10 GMT
#848
So what we do is have reps play both clan wars at the same time, so you don't know if you should be chumping. You need 2 different team so no one knows results from either series, and all 8 of you must be streaming so we can make sure you aren't telling each other whether to lose or not.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
yellowsmile
Profile Joined October 2011
United States293 Posts
September 30 2012 22:25 GMT
#849
tbh if i were the organizer i would just let lrm advance.
reason 1: the lag issue between cn and lrm mostly is brought by cn team
reason 2:lrm has better record
i dont think it is necessary to involve more team at this point and make this complicated so far
i am saying this objectively, although i am chinese.
Modesty/widowkiller_
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 22:29:52
September 30 2012 22:28 GMT
#850
On October 01 2012 04:36 trutaCz wrote:
Oh if you aren't going to turn back the decision there's no sense of my words, just only want to add some fact that always when someone lagged he was punished for it, it happens since always. I don't agree with that we were unable to play against them because the fact is they were unable, because their players were laggy. I feel cheated.


I think this is funny that a Polish player is complaining about lag.

Edit: I dont think it's fair to just "let" LRM) advance because of lag. I don't remember many players from the other teams complaining about lag.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
yellowsmile
Profile Joined October 2011
United States293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 22:33:18
September 30 2012 22:32 GMT
#851
On October 01 2012 07:28 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 04:36 trutaCz wrote:
Oh if you aren't going to turn back the decision there's no sense of my words, just only want to add some fact that always when someone lagged he was punished for it, it happens since always. I don't agree with that we were unable to play against them because the fact is they were unable, because their players were laggy. I feel cheated.


I think this is funny that a Polish player is complaining about lag.

Edit: I dont think it's fair to just "let" LRM) advance because of lag. I don't remember many players from the other teams complaining about lag.

that is why i put reason 2. however, if we arrange all 8 teams to make a vote for which is the most lag team, i am 200% sure cn will be the champion.
Modesty/widowkiller_
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
September 30 2012 22:34 GMT
#852
On October 01 2012 04:28 reps)Plumbum wrote:
...Why every other team was able to play vs CN and LRM cant?....


Probally Europa can play without big lag, America not. What LRM's line up looks like? Mostly amercians players?
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
September 30 2012 22:35 GMT
#853
On October 01 2012 07:32 yellowsmile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 07:28 Shotcoder wrote:
On October 01 2012 04:36 trutaCz wrote:
Oh if you aren't going to turn back the decision there's no sense of my words, just only want to add some fact that always when someone lagged he was punished for it, it happens since always. I don't agree with that we were unable to play against them because the fact is they were unable, because their players were laggy. I feel cheated.


I think this is funny that a Polish player is complaining about lag.

Edit: I dont think it's fair to just "let" LRM) advance because of lag. I don't remember many players from the other teams complaining about lag.

that is why i put reason 2. however, if we arrange all 8 teams to make a vote for which is the most lag team, i am 200% sure cn will be the champion.


It's still not fair at all, LRM vs China is a deciding match for play offs. You can't just overlook this decision. Advancing sets a precedent that you can blame lag and receive a free win.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
September 30 2012 22:36 GMT
#854
On October 01 2012 07:28 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 04:36 trutaCz wrote:
Oh if you aren't going to turn back the decision there's no sense of my words, just only want to add some fact that always when someone lagged he was punished for it, it happens since always. I don't agree with that we were unable to play against them because the fact is they were unable, because their players were laggy. I feel cheated.


I think this is funny that a Polish player is complaining about lag.

Edit: I dont think it's fair to just "let" LRM) advance because of lag. I don't remember many players from the other teams complaining about lag.


yes its funny, cause im pretty sure he can play without lag with CN, like reps members.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
September 30 2012 22:37 GMT
#855
On October 01 2012 07:34 mca64[KDV] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 04:28 reps)Plumbum wrote:
...Why every other team was able to play vs CN and LRM cant?....


Probally Europa can play without big lag, America not. What LRM's line up looks like? Mostly amercians players?


Mostly zergs xDD
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
yellowsmile
Profile Joined October 2011
United States293 Posts
September 30 2012 22:41 GMT
#856
i personally still think the finally decision is ridiculous. no offense to eywa's efforts , just different opinions.
Modesty/widowkiller_
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
September 30 2012 22:57 GMT
#857
I think before allow CN team to play in this cup should be done lag test. If they was allowed to play anyway in GC and there was no claims then LRM should just send players who can play without lag with them or sent whatever they want and play without lan latency. Plumbum is right, new rematch system is dumb
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
October 01 2012 01:34 GMT
#858
On October 01 2012 07:05 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 06:18 reps)Plumbum wrote:
interesting spot! :D
(interesting possible point of view xdddd)
okay, reps plays vs LRM 1st and then vs CN.
If reps loses 0-4 to LRM, we simply have no motivation to play vs CN and we will "make" 0-4 vs CN too. And now again LRM and CN are in same position, and what then? Another ties?
if reps loses x-4 to lrm, we again have no motivation to play vs CN.

The only possible variant is when 1st team, who plays us, loses 3-4 to reps. This means that next match both teams - reps and 2nd will have enough motivation to play.

example:D
LRM 4-0 reps. -> reps 0-4 CN -> CN = LRM -> ???? :D
LRM 4-1/4-2/4-3/ reps. -> reps 0-4 CN -> LRM<CN, CN qualifies. LRM CANT WIN us, if they want to live, they MUST lose to us and only 3-4.
LRM 3-4 reps. Thats it! now both, reps and cn are fighting for their lives.
obviously 1st team, has a great disadvantage in this spot.


ah no LOL. And for LRM there is not point to lose 3-4, cause if they lose 3-4, and reps wins CN, they will not qualify :D:D:D
roflmao. So looks like that 1st team, which plays reps, cant qualify ANYWAY :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ROFLMAOOO xD

so complicated

This situation is so funny xDDDDDD

+ Show Spoiler [Due to Season results thus far] +

If reps) forfeits, LRM) Advance
If LRM) forfeits, winner of reps) vs CN advance
If CN forfeits, winner of LRM) vs reps) advance
If CN and LRM) are tied, LRM) Advance



This decision isn't ironclad either... reps plays LRM, they lose 4-2, hence no chance for PO. They play CN and DROP ALL SETS, i.e lose on purpose (how will you determine if they don't play to their potential? what if they just had a "bad day") seems like reps can still screw any team if they lose the first game...
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
iFU.BMW
Profile Joined May 2009
United States144 Posts
October 01 2012 02:23 GMT
#859
Interesting...

+ Show Spoiler +
ZaRaki_
Profile Joined March 2011
Spain126 Posts
October 01 2012 02:39 GMT
#860
what about try to find 1 player of each team (lrm and cn) that can play (if thats possible) and make a bo5 or something like that? at least will be more fair to both teams imo,
just trying to fix this cuz we are suffering for this too, and no hate for reps, plumbaki u know i love u (happy birthday)
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