EPTAfter the ultra-BL-festor-giraffes? Cuz that's when I'm talking about, and FBH's only hope was dc into regame or something
[SPL] Airforce ACE vs Woongjin Stars - Page 7
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figq
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After the ultra-BL-festor-giraffes? Cuz that's when I'm talking about, and FBH's only hope was dc into regame or something | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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MrRicewife
Canada515 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote: not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources srs thats exactly it these pros dont even play sc2 yet and teh are ridic good like code a already. so dumb | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote: not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame . | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote: What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame . Yeah its actually scary how fast these guys got up to pace o0 And these blokes have 2 games to play... wtf? | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote: What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame . experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote: Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds. At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2. I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol. On July 16 2012 17:03 Caihead wrote: experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months. Anyway, I'm out. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On July 16 2012 17:04 Ribbon wrote: I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol. Mm fair enough, SPL games are still a long shot off from the level of the SC2 pros' games for sure. I can't wait for the day when (I hope) they finally get really good and are able to invade GSL etc though~ The unfortunate thing about GSL is how few players are able to be in Code A/S, so you get many extremely good players stuck in Code A because of a bad day (or just losing to an even better player) or fantastic players falling to Code B etc. Though the dual tournament format may(?) help to remedy this a bit. | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:50 Ribbon wrote: http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls3/vod/67586 (Free VOD) KeSPA DESPERATELY needs better maps. thanks | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On July 16 2012 17:04 Ribbon wrote: I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol. SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months. Anyway, I'm out. I think most of the Kespa pros are already at the level of Scarlet and above . Most of them are korean GMs and high masters after all . Symbol's skill level is pretty high , but not out of reach for some of the top players in Kespa . I could see him droping games by some top Kespa players favourible vs Z MU , but yeah Symbol is still a level above them , but certainly not out of reach . You can't really measure the skills , because PL uses a different system then other tournaments and they only play other Kespa players . They are completely blind to who they have to play against and they don't have the option of loser picking the next map . The skill of the coach and the team of predicting who will play on each map is pivotal for geting a favourible MU against the other team .Not to mention that they only play in PL with such a small sample of games from each player in Bo1 you can only get an overall feel where they are at , but certainly not messure in depth their skill level in Bo X>1 series . I am pretty sure that Jaedong gets like a 100 000 $ yearly salary at least from Kespa and the other players in team 8 get like 50 000 $ salary or something. Most of the A-teamers i think have at least 50 000 $ yearly salary . I don't think Kespa will cut their salaries just because they've started playing SC2 . It doesn't make sense , since Kespa forced it on them . They can get pretty good training from ladder and in house training also between other Kespa teams . | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
NP. On July 16 2012 17:22 raga4ka wrote: I am pretty sure that Jaedong gets like a 100 000 $ yearly salary at least from Kespa and the other players in team 8 get like 50 000 $ salary or something. Most of the A-teamers i think have at least 50 000 $ yearly salary . I don't think Kespa will cut their salaries just because they've started playing SC2 . It doesn't make sense , since Kespa forced it on them . They can get pretty good training from ladder and in house training also between other Kespa teams . I read Caihead's post as saying SC2 teams had more money than BW teams, which may've been wrong. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:50 Ribbon wrote: http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls3/vod/67586 (Free VOD) KeSPA DESPERATELY needs better maps. I agree. Entombed Valley is the only good map they use, really, and even then it is pretty poorly balanced in some matchups. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 16 2012 17:27 Ribbon wrote: NP. I read Caihead's post as saying SC2 teams had more money than BW teams, which may've been wrong. Wasn't really the point of my post though, point was just that the established players who had been playing SC2 for 2 years and have resources in terms of coaching and practice partners and their own system of leagues etc vs Kespa players who are facing complete uncertainty. Kespa players are retiring left and right due to the transition. SC2 generally has financially uncertainty, it applies to both GSL and Kespa players once they fully switch over. Companies like MBC had more than enough to spare to financially support the teams, they just chose not to and focus else where, these salaries are indeed high, but the uncertainty is alot more scary than a pay deduction. | ||
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