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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 16 2012 07:55 GMT
#121
On July 16 2012 16:49 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:46 figq wrote:
FBH thinks this is Broodwar and he could come back


He nearly did, a few times.

After the ultra-BL-festor-giraffes? Cuz that's when I'm talking about, and FBH's only hope was dc into regame or something
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 16 2012 07:55 GMT
#122
Yeah I agree that SC2 matches are so much harder to come back from. A lot of the time BO loss completely screws you over, full stop; a mistake in the early game makes it so that your opponent must make many more later on to give you a chance; your opponent can easily build a lead if he's already ahead, etc. But FBH did almost come back several times there
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
MrRicewife
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada515 Posts
July 16 2012 07:57 GMT
#123
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote:
Holy shit!!

This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...

Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.


not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources

srs

thats exactly it these pros dont even play sc2 yet and teh are ridic good like code a already. so dumb
So? My dad can beat up your dad. - Jesus
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 16 2012 07:57 GMT
#124
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote:
Holy shit!!

This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...

Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.


not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources


What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
July 16 2012 07:59 GMT
#125
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote:
Holy shit!!

This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...

Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.


not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources


What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .


Yeah its actually scary how fast these guys got up to pace o0
And these blokes have 2 games to play... wtf?
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 16 2012 08:02 GMT
#126
Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.

At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 16 2012 08:02 GMT
#127
Poll: Recommend Ace Match?

Yes (4)
 
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No (1)
 
20%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

5 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Ace Match?

(Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time

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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 16 2012 08:03 GMT
#128
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote:
Holy shit!!

This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...

Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.


not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources


What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .


experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 08:06:17
July 16 2012 08:04 GMT
#129
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote:
Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.

At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.


I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.

On July 16 2012 17:03 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote:
Holy shit!!

This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...

Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.


not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources


What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .


experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis



SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months.

Anyway, I'm out.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 16 2012 08:07 GMT
#130
On July 16 2012 17:04 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote:
Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.

At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.


I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.

Mm fair enough, SPL games are still a long shot off from the level of the SC2 pros' games for sure.

I can't wait for the day when (I hope) they finally get really good and are able to invade GSL etc though~ The unfortunate thing about GSL is how few players are able to be in Code A/S, so you get many extremely good players stuck in Code A because of a bad day (or just losing to an even better player) or fantastic players falling to Code B etc. Though the dual tournament format may(?) help to remedy this a bit.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Abort Retry Fail
Profile Joined December 2011
2636 Posts
July 16 2012 08:08 GMT
#131
On July 16 2012 16:50 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:48 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:46 figq wrote:
FBH thinks this is Broodwar and he could come back

LOL How true this post!

Comebacks are IMPOSSIBLE in SC2.


http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls3/vod/67586

(Free VOD)

KeSPA DESPERATELY needs better maps.

thanks
BSOD
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 08:41:43
July 16 2012 08:22 GMT
#132
On July 16 2012 17:04 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote:
Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.

At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.


I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 17:03 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote:
Holy shit!!

This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...

Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.


not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources


What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .


experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis



SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months.

Anyway, I'm out.


I think most of the Kespa pros are already at the level of Scarlet and above . Most of them are korean GMs and high masters after all . Symbol's skill level is pretty high , but not out of reach for some of the top players in Kespa . I could see him droping games by some top Kespa players favourible vs Z MU , but yeah Symbol is still a level above them , but certainly not out of reach .

You can't really measure the skills , because PL uses a different system then other tournaments and they only play other Kespa players . They are completely blind to who they have to play against and they don't have the option of loser picking the next map . The skill of the coach and the team of predicting who will play on each map is pivotal for geting a favourible MU against the other team .Not to mention that they only play in PL with such a small sample of games from each player in Bo1 you can only get an overall feel where they are at , but certainly not messure in depth their skill level in Bo X>1 series .

I am pretty sure that Jaedong gets like a 100 000 $ yearly salary at least from Kespa and the other players in team 8 get like 50 000 $ salary or something. Most of the A-teamers i think have at least 50 000 $ yearly salary . I don't think Kespa will cut their salaries just because they've started playing SC2 . It doesn't make sense , since Kespa forced it on them . They can get pretty good training from ladder and in house training also between other Kespa teams .
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 09:02:22
July 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#133
On July 16 2012 17:08 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:50 Ribbon wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:46 figq wrote:
FBH thinks this is Broodwar and he could come back

LOL How true this post!

Comebacks are IMPOSSIBLE in SC2.


http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls3/vod/67586

(Free VOD)

KeSPA DESPERATELY needs better maps.

thanks


NP.

On July 16 2012 17:22 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 17:04 Ribbon wrote:
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote:
Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.

At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.


I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.

On July 16 2012 17:03 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote:
Holy shit!!

This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...

Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.


not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources


What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .


experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis



SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months.

Anyway, I'm out.


I am pretty sure that Jaedong gets like a 100 000 $ yearly salary at least from Kespa and the other players in team 8 get like 50 000 $ salary or something. Most of the A-teamers i think have at least 50 000 $ yearly salary . I don't think Kespa will cut their salaries just because they've started playing SC2 . It doesn't make sense , since Kespa forced it on them . They can get pretty good training from ladder and in house training also between other Kespa teams .


I read Caihead's post as saying SC2 teams had more money than BW teams, which may've been wrong.
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
July 16 2012 09:42 GMT
#134
On July 16 2012 16:50 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:48 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:46 figq wrote:
FBH thinks this is Broodwar and he could come back

LOL How true this post!

Comebacks are IMPOSSIBLE in SC2.


http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls3/vod/67586

(Free VOD)

KeSPA DESPERATELY needs better maps.

I agree. Entombed Valley is the only good map they use, really, and even then it is pretty poorly balanced in some matchups.
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 16 2012 09:57 GMT
#135
On July 16 2012 17:27 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 17:08 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:50 Ribbon wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:46 figq wrote:
FBH thinks this is Broodwar and he could come back

LOL How true this post!

Comebacks are IMPOSSIBLE in SC2.


http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls3/vod/67586

(Free VOD)

KeSPA DESPERATELY needs better maps.

thanks


NP.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 17:22 raga4ka wrote:
On July 16 2012 17:04 Ribbon wrote:
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote:
Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.

At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.


I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.

On July 16 2012 17:03 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote:
Holy shit!!

This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...

Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.


not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources


What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .


experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis



SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months.

Anyway, I'm out.


I am pretty sure that Jaedong gets like a 100 000 $ yearly salary at least from Kespa and the other players in team 8 get like 50 000 $ salary or something. Most of the A-teamers i think have at least 50 000 $ yearly salary . I don't think Kespa will cut their salaries just because they've started playing SC2 . It doesn't make sense , since Kespa forced it on them . They can get pretty good training from ladder and in house training also between other Kespa teams .


I read Caihead's post as saying SC2 teams had more money than BW teams, which may've been wrong.


Wasn't really the point of my post though, point was just that the established players who had been playing SC2 for 2 years and have resources in terms of coaching and practice partners and their own system of leagues etc vs Kespa players who are facing complete uncertainty. Kespa players are retiring left and right due to the transition. SC2 generally has financially uncertainty, it applies to both GSL and Kespa players once they fully switch over. Companies like MBC had more than enough to spare to financially support the teams, they just chose not to and focus else where, these salaries are indeed high, but the uncertainty is alot more scary than a pay deduction.
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