EPTMaps:
R-Point
Neo Forte
Ride of Valkyries
815
R-Point
My prediction: Oov wins, but not 3-0. Anytime is just too good not to take a game.
So1 OSL Semifinal #2 : iloveoov vs Anytime
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
Maps: R-Point Neo Forte Ride of Valkyries 815 R-Point My prediction: Oov wins, but not 3-0. Anytime is just too good not to take a game. | ||
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On October 28 2005 01:11 -DaJ- wrote: NOO please no boxer vs oov again What are you talking about? That is the BEST thing that could happen. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On October 28 2005 01:16 Adamthegreat wrote: What are you talking about? That is the BEST thing that could happen. Agrees, most tense final ever. | ||
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 ) it aint gunna happen3-1 to oov  | ||
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anytime needs to not be so wasteful on r-point as he was vs xellos, only then will he stand a chance in taking this. | ||
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I'd be really really surprised if he wins though...and kinda happy even though i lose 4 pts  I guess 3-0 or 3-1. Anytime will probably win on Forte, and maybe ROV. | ||
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On October 28 2005 02:15 Guybrush wrote: Anytime will probably win on Forte, and maybe ROV. Yeah and if he wins on R-Point ^^ | ||
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gulii
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Let´s go ! GG oov ! | ||
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kk thats true. i agree. but still: 1st,i cant stand the tvt and 2nd i really think oovs macro will crush boxers micro again. and i want boxer to win the ogn again....3rd id hate to see the mentor playing against his "padawan" ^^ | ||
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On October 28 2005 02:34 [Red]Dragoon wrote: I wonder if Anytime will continue short p>t @ R-Point trend. I think if Boxer and Oov meet in final, Boxer will win this time. I am 100% sure. Now you think or you are 100% sure? | ||
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On October 28 2005 02:40 FireBlast! wrote: i nearly overslept again.. i dreamt of Anytime winning 3-1 :O Did he win on R-Point? ^^ 1000 Post goes to die oov!! | ||
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Common. Some1 live report ? | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:04 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Is pdk001 on tl? Want to ask whats the password for his room in wplayer. yeah ive PMd him twice in the past but havent got any replies T_T | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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Starting drink #1. If Anytime wins, I can drunkenly celebrate, and if he loses, I'm ahead of the game in terms of drowning my sorrows. It's a win/win Think Iloveoov gonna win cause of the maps and because iloveoov is a monster. Sound is weird on my computer all the voices are so deep. Record on r-point is 10-12 favor for terran. | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:13 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: not half as cute thoughAnyone else thinking oov looks like yoda? | ||
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[edit] this was my 4000th post as of now i am a scout *WOOOT* | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:13 Carnac wrote: i'll do the report, tkw<3 I'll be the color commentator. *chugs* | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On October 28 2005 03:14 Carnac wrote: not half as cute though Anytime is cuter. Game starting | ||
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anytime blue, top right (exactly the pos boxer pwned pusan on) | ||
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anytime fast templar archives tech | ||
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2 facs for oov | ||
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2 fac vultures is trouble for anytime. | ||
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oov is miles behind. | ||
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if he doesnt do damage its over | ||
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still pretty huge tho =] | ||
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man, what a rape. | ||
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oov 0-1 anytime | ||
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Believe me. | ||
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Anytime sure got the confidence. | ||
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Anytime's trademark is definitely the dark templar. I like his nickname "Sasin" (meaning God of Death) better than "Gateway manager". Oov's smile before the game just turned to a frown. lol. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9276/17yz.jpg) visual aid: how to kill oov on R-Point | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:29 Xan wrote: Anyone know PDK's password on the wplayer room? Yeah, the pw is pdk554. | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:29 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: tkwl help Sorry man I don't have anything public | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:33 PoP wrote: Oov would have had a slight chance if he hadn't gone out with his vults right after defending the first time. He probably thought Anytime wouldn't keep making dt's. Actually, Anytime is known through many of his games to keep sending Dts. That's where Anytime's nickname of "God of Death" - "Sasin" comes from. | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:33 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Does wplayer work for fakesteve[tpr]? i dont know what wplayer is or how to access it | ||
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Game starting soon | ||
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oov bottom right | ||
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Pushing refresh every second isn't cutting it for me. | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: URGH WHAT IS WPLAYER HOW DO I ACCESS IT MSN me and I'll do what I can. | ||
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Korea (South)17726 Posts
On October 28 2005 03:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i dont know what wplayer is or how to access it The site is http://www.pdbox.co.kr/w/ Log in tlnet/12345 than press the big blue button | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:36 Ilikestarcraft wrote: The site is http://www.pdbox.co.kr/w/ Log in tlnet/12345 than press the big blue button i love you | ||
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spotted maphack | ||
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oov wanted to return the favour by proxy raxing which anytime scouts right away hacks | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:38 DJEtterStyle wrote: Anytime is amazing. He scouts for a proxy-fact for WHATEVER reason. Finds one. Shits on the SCV. Giggles. There you have new Nal_rA. He has ALL POSSIBLE scenarios in his head. | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: mm apparently i have to download something and it wont download same here tt | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:41 SuperJongMan wrote: Is it oov playing bad or anytime just having the right builds at the right time? I can't watch game -_-;; more specifics plz! Anytime spotted the proxy-fact, stopped it, killed oov's opening tank and marines, forced oov to turtle up in just his main. oov is only now starting his expansion. Anytime has expanded to the 11 o'clock main. DTs are out for Anytime. | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:43 DJEtterStyle wrote: Anytime spotted the proxy-fact, stopped it, killed oov's opening tank and marines, forced oov to turtle up in just his main. oov is only now starting his expansion. Anytime has expanded to the 11 o'clock main. DTs are out for Anytime. I love you with all my heart | ||
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starport for oov | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: freezes at 0kb, doesnt even start Same problem | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: freezes at 0kb, doesnt even start With internet explorer or firefox? | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:45 DJEtterStyle wrote: Anytime is going crazy on the gateways. Either he's just trying to play it *really* safe or he's going to go all-in. what is your msn ilikestarcraft, IE | ||
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oov flew to top right and is expanding there | ||
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GG~~ | ||
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he left hahahahaha | ||
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oov 0-2 anytime | ||
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Oov watching the replay | ||
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Anytime can lose the third game. He's completely prepared for the 4th game (815) | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:54 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Can i send the wplayer.exe through yousendit.com? Will it work? you can try it | ||
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A) oov is a show offf B) oov is full of himself C) Anytime is just plain skilled D) all of the above | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:55 Plexa wrote: gah either A) oov is a show offf B) oov is full of himself C) Anytime is just plain skilled D) all of the above E) self owned himself with a proxy factory seeking revenge which was scouted maphax-style | ||
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Why didn't OOV learn some dropship mechanics from Boxer?? OOV rarely uses dropships, and when he does, they don't work too well, like this game. | ||
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F) All of the ABOVE! | ||
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On October 28 2005 03:54 FireBlast! wrote: my usual game 2 ramen time~~ don't forget the egg and sesame seed oil ^_^ | ||
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And the hot bean paste. Edit: I should have used a smaller glass and less vodka. Saying that I'm "starting my second drink" would tend to imply that I'm not already buzzing considerably... | ||
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Wplayer.exe its worth a try. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:01 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: yum, ramen. Afk making food. OMG. Me too. I'm going to make ramen. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:00 DJEtterStyle wrote: And the hot bean paste. Edit: I should have used a smaller glass and less vodka. Saying that I'm "starting my second drink" would tend to imply that I'm not already buzzing considerably... 1/2 L glasses are already small glasses when it comes to vodka. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:02 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: 1/2 L glasses are already small glasses when it comes to vodka. You're a better man than I. | ||
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Anytime bottom right | ||
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anytime 3:0 oov cannot happennnnn | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:13 coulthard[pR] wrote: poor ovv t-t Don`t feel sorry for the beast. It can wake up. | ||
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and FUCK YOU NAYSAYERS | ||
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inst_wplayer_beta_release.exe try to find it... | ||
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bunker above ramp | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:15 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: what the people is not the wplayer.exe file but : inst_wplayer_beta_release.exe try to find it... Oops sorry ill try to find. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: boxer is going to beat either of them in the final anyway damn right gogo boxer!!!why did i vote oov for.... | ||
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wtf was he thinking? oov is probably winning this now, anytime hasn't expanded or anything =/ | ||
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probe rape begins anytime types out oov 1-2 anytime | ||
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uhjoo
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does damage, anytime immediately gg's that was a big game for oov, if he pulls a boxer it's due to game 3 | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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That cheese was comparable to Garimto's legendary offensive robo on silent vortex in SKY 2001. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i have found some woman in a bikini babbling with a tea towel draped over her head i cannot find an OGN stream Look for the one made by pdk001. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:22 [Red]Dragoon wrote: I hope we will not see "Pusan" syndrome. sif pusan syndrome screws up one game and u could not fault boxers play in game 4 | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:25 [Red]Dragoon wrote: The monster lives. ...so far. Sasin Protoss will come soon. | ||
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Carnac
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On October 28 2005 04:27 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: Can we please get a real macro battle game now? I think Anytime played very smart until now. He did not go for straight macro battle, he is trying all kind of crazy shit. And it worked twice. Most likely oov will play very safe now, and Anytime will be forced to play macro style. | ||
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United States2766 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:29 Musli wrote: its 1-2 yes ? ;-] No, it's 2-1. Anytime always comes first. Edit: unless Reach is involved. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
oov top right anytime bottom left | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
bottom left (7 o clock) anytime | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:30 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Fireblast i found a better picture of anytime hahahahah zero bell | ||
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Carnac
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oov standard as well, scouting early though, almost is at anytime's base already, while anytime hasn't even left his base yet | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
fac, armory, fac for oov, nothing surprising either | ||
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Carnac
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anytime sent a probe to bottom left, expect him to expand there asap 2nd robo for anytime! oov flying around with his wraith | ||
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FireBlast!
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he also sees with his wraith a pylon warping in down the ramp at anytime's natural, so hes matching up to the expo count | ||
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FireBlast!
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omg anytime has been making reaver+ground with speed upgrade shuttles | ||
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anytime drops 3 reavers and 3 goons in oov's main | ||
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oov 1-3 anytime | ||
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On October 28 2005 02:40 FireBlast! wrote: i nearly overslept again.. i dreamt of Anytime winning 3-1 :O guys im psychic | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
will there be oov vs pusan? | ||
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gravity
Australia1847 Posts
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
GJ AnyTime ~~ | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
that is an amazing strat on 815- 3 shuttle all-in play | ||
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1hp
Korea (South)903 Posts
o w i dont know if i should be happy or sad. did boxer have more chance vs pvt one of the most inform players or tvt vs probably best terran ever | ||
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United Kingdom8402 Posts
haha hax! | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:41 Musli wrote: oov is slumping bleh ;x GJ AnyTime ~~ Oov didn't seem to be slumping. He just lost badly. =p | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:42 Carnac wrote: this is definitely the worst beating oov has received in his pro career, BUT it simply seems that anytime way more than oov really prepared specific strategies for each map, which oov did _not_. well whatever oov prepared he never had the chance because anytime's strats were so perfectly prepared, he was being towed around | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Oov got soo ggd | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:42 Carnac wrote: this is definitely the worst beating oov has received in his pro career, BUT it simply seems that anytime way more than oov really prepared specific strategies for each map, which oov did _not_. Reach 3:0 vs oov was loads of bad luck from mudang mines and reach playing really well on the day. I definitely rate this series as a harsher beating for oov. | ||
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
Even if I voted against him Thanks for the reports, guys, it was very entertaining to read | ||
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United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:43 FireBlast! wrote: well whatever oov prepared he never had the chance because anytime's strats were so perfectly prepared, he was being towed around That game totally breaks the assumption that 815 is a terran map. | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
Anytime went up to oov to shake his hand. Oov just stared at him. =/ | ||
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
With the wairth , Iloveoov still dont see what AnyTime have??? Someone explains please | ||
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FireBlast!
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On October 28 2005 04:45 geod wrote: i dont understant at all. With the wairth , Iloveoov still dont see what AnyTime have??? Someone explains please there were goons in anytime's base --> wraith flies elsewhere to check for hidden expos etc | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:45 instantbunz wrote: Anytime went up to oov to shake his hand. Oov just stared at him. =/ ROFL | ||
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 oh, and in-your-face to all the ppl not thinking anytime could make it :D "he wont stand a chance to oov" yeah...  | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:45 geod wrote: i dont understant at all. With the wairth , Iloveoov still dont see what AnyTime have??? Someone explains please Well he had only one wraith and Anytime had goons in his shuttles so he didn't care much. Oov made the *superb* decision of going fast double expo vs an early double robo, and had like 4-5 gols to defend vs 3 reavers and some goons. Double fast expo is possibily the worst counter to fast double robo on islands. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 28 2005 02:50 gravity wrote: I'd like a Protoss to win a major tournament for once, but an Oov vs Boxer rematch would be interesting too, so I guess I don't mind who wins :p. Yeah, 7 titles is like nothing. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:48 St3MoR wrote: fortunately 4 boxer, he is not as easy to annoy with rare strategies we'll see ^^ | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:45 Carnac wrote: at least boxer now has the chance to shut ppl up forever who still say he sucks tvp That's not what I saw. Anytime didn't seem to be wanting to shake hands but just "put his head down" (or whatever you call that) as a sign of respect. Oov looked at him and did it also, although very fast. | ||
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United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:48 PoP wrote: Well he had only one wraith and Anytime had goons in his shuttles so he didn't care much. Oov made the *superb* decision of going fast double expo vs an early double robo, and had like 4-5 gols to defend vs 3 reavers and some goons. Double fast expo is possibily the worst counter to fast double robo on islands. I guess this is why Boxer made an academy quickly in all of his games against Pusan for Map 815. | ||
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Korea (South)17726 Posts
to ![[image loading]](http://www.cathdal.org/New%20Website/jesus%20welcome.jpg) | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:50 PoP wrote: That's not what I saw. Anytime didn't seem to be wanting to shake hands but just "put his head down" (or whatever you call that) as a sign of respect. Oov looked at him and did it also, although very fast. In 100% of the cases, the players go up to the other player to shake hands. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:51 instantbunz wrote: In 100% of the cases, the players go up to the other player to shake hands. Anytime didn't move his hands at all. :/ | ||
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United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:52 FireBlast! wrote: dont kill me for saying this but I personally preferred this series over Pusan Boxer Me too. These games were much more enjoyable. Anytime's Plays > Boxer's drama comeback. | ||
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United Kingdom8402 Posts
1: sync 2: boxer 3: garimto 4: reach 5: ?? 6: Boxer or Anytime edit: gay, I don't even know how many starleagues there have been =/ | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:52 FireBlast! wrote: dont kill me for saying this but I personally preferred this series over Pusan Boxer How that? Only short one-sided rapes, only 3rd game was a tad interesting/close. -_- | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:53 Resonate wrote: can someone correct this list the Ongamenet StarLeague winners plz...? 1: sync 2: boxer 3: garimto 4: reach 5: ?? 6: Boxer or Anytime hm? there was kingdom, nal_ra, july, nada? | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:53 PoP wrote: How that? Only short one-sided rapes, only 3rd game was a tad interesting/close. -_- It's always fun to see really dynamic plays, instead of the typical FD Terran and triple nexus Protoss. | ||
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:53 Resonate wrote: can someone correct this list the Ongamenet StarLeague winners plz...? 1: sync 2: boxer 3: garimto 4: reach 5: ?? 6: Boxer or Anytime edit: gay, I don't even know how many starleagues there have been =/ Articles section up there | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:53 PoP wrote: How that? Only short one-sided rapes, only 3rd game was a tad interesting/close. -_- it was just so refreshing to watch a newcomer Protoss sweep away the very terran imba monster everyone's been talking as invincible. in style. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:53 PoP wrote: How that? Only short one-sided rapes, only 3rd game was a tad interesting/close. -_- i prefer short games tbh | ||
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PoP
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On October 28 2005 04:54 instantbunz wrote: It's always fun to see really dynamic plays, instead of the typical FD Terran and triple nexus Protoss. With Pusan vs Boxer we had a mix of both, although Pusan prefers reavers over dts. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:54 FireBlast! wrote: hm? there was kingdom, nal_ra, july, nada? there's an article section for a reason: http://teamliquid.net/forum/articles.php | ||
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United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 04:55 FireBlast! wrote: it was just so refreshing to watch a newcomer Protoss sweep away the very terran imba monster everyone's been talking as invincible. in style. What's "imba"? | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
the list of starleague winners is here http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=12172 It is missing iops and ever2 iops- nada july gorush goodfriend ever- july goodfriend xellos gorush | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:54 instantbunz wrote: It's always fun to see really dynamic plays, instead of the typical FD Terran and triple nexus Protoss. Everyone hardly stand a chance against iloveovv if playing standard - macro game . Anytime knows it very well. Vs Boxer, well it's completely another story... | ||
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On October 28 2005 05:02 geod wrote: Everyone hardly stand a chance against iloveovv if playing standard - macro game . Anytime knows it very well. Vs Boxer, well it's completely another story... You're right...this shows that Starcraft is truly a strategy simulation game. | ||
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United States2766 Posts
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeee | ||
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United States319 Posts
1st: Ride of Valkyries 2nd: 815 3rd: R-Point 4th: Neo Forte 5th: Ride of Valkyries. | ||
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On October 28 2005 05:09 (paladin)roMAD wrote: Haha, i told ya! I knew, AnyTime would come with amazing strats and rape oov. He's a genius. If you think about it...it's freaky. Anytime could be doing all kinds of strats...anytime. Anytime = Sasin Protoss | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
TvP For 3rd/4th place TvP For 1st/2nd place AWESOME | ||
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France15446 Posts
On October 28 2005 05:17 instantbunz wrote: Don't forget oov is also playing vs Pusan for 3rd/4th place. The loser falls to Dual Tournament!! TvP For 3rd/4th place TvP For 1st/2nd place AWESOME So this will be an OSL without *any* TvT. First time ever? | ||
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United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 05:21 PoP wrote: So this will be an OSL without *any* TvT. First time ever? On October 28 2005 04:59 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Imbalenced the list of starleague winners is here http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=12172 It is missing iops and ever2 iops- nada july gorush goodfriend ever- july goodfriend xellos gorush There were other non-TvTs. | ||
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On October 28 2005 04:53 Resonate wrote: can someone correct this list the Ongamenet StarLeague winners plz...? 1: sync 2: boxer 3: garimto 4: reach 5: ?? 6: Boxer or Anytime edit: gay, I don't even know how many starleagues there have been =/ Tooniverse Starleague (OGN precursor) - Won by freemura Then Grrr, Garimto, Boxer, Boxer, Garimto (boxer's 3rd final in a row = WOW), sync, reach, nada, xellos, kingdom, nal_ra, july, oov, nada, july .. I think that's the right order ;p And for all the people who couldn't get Wplayer to download - IE doesn't really crash, if you leave it alone for 10 minutes it will finish downloading even though it says it hasn't started ;D Oh and just reading about that shuttle thing made my jaw drop :D (I was sort of expecting that to happen as soon as I read oov doing double cc). Thought he'd win the 815 game after making a wraith ;/ Awesome reports all of you :D! <3 | ||
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On October 28 2005 05:26 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: hm, but i think he means no tvt including group stages. indeed | ||
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On October 14 2005 07:27 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: heres to hoping that anytime will pull a july; come out of no where, rape oov in the semis, and win the OSL. gogo anytime | ||
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United Kingdom5251 Posts
even after all this i still do think 815 is a Terran map. | ||
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Vietnam450 Posts
On October 28 2005 05:44 FireBlast! wrote: well put Guybrush. even after all this i still do think 815 is a Terran map. You dont have any argument to support this belief, FireBlast | ||
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Sweden2791 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
There ARE a lot of weaknesses in that 2 robo build and Oov did go double CC leading to total rape. Just because dual robo work doesnt make P>T on 815. 2c | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
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United States319 Posts
![[image loading]](http://images.uzoo.net//mgr/contents/Es/News/20051028/News20051028_520026_422350.jpg) Anytime is denied by oov to shake hands. =( | ||
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On October 28 2005 07:14 instantbunz wrote: Anytime is denied by oov to shake hands. =( Left hand? | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 28 2005 07:14 instantbunz wrote: Anytime is denied by oov to shake hands. =( No. It was just his normal hand position before putting his head down. Plus Anytime is right-handed (edit: well and even if he were left-handed, you shake hands with the right one usually :D). Oov was focused on watching the replay, noticed Anytime, Anytime put his head down and Oov did the same. Plain simple. It was obvious to me when I watched it live, anyway. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
Fucking rocks. Hard. Forgot it was today but still, rocks. Woo. | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 07:37 PoP wrote: No. It was just his normal hand position before putting his head down. Plus Anytime is right-handed (edit: well and even if he were left-handed, you shake hands with the right one usually :D). Oov was focused on watching the replay, noticed Anytime, Anytime put his head down and Oov did the same. Plain simple. It was obvious to me when I watched it live, anyway. It was obvious to me too when I watched it live. Anytime made a gesture to shake hands, but oov just stared at him. In all of the cases, the player doesn't go up to the other just to 인사. It's not a Korean thing to do. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
Well, whatever. It's getting a bit boring. -_- | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 08:24 PoP wrote: Well shaking hands at the end of a game doesn't look like a korean tradition, either. Only 2 pros do it regularly. And it's not like Oov expected it from Anytime: he never does it. Well, whatever. It's getting a bit boring. -_- Haha. =p I'm just making a point that oov is bm at times. | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 02:40 FireBlast! wrote: i nearly overslept again.. i dreamt of Anytime winning 3-1 :O Blast, tell us next time when you dream about the Starcraft games. I'll need you for Liquibet =p | ||
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Slovakia3201 Posts
0/4 but oov vs Boxer finals could be really nice. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 28 2005 07:14 instantbunz wrote: Anytime is denied by oov to shake hands. =( Awwwwwkkwwwwaaaarddd | ||
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ad0
Canada113 Posts
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Finland5201 Posts
On October 28 2005 10:33 Angel[BTL] wrote: Where and when can i download the vods? Check thread BT Tracker on TL.net | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
He clearly disrupted oovs gameplan in the first game, and oov seemed shaken after that on Forte. Have you noticed how much more powerful "cheese" play is in game 1 in a BO-series compared to the game following a loss? Not a bad idea anyway since straight up protoss play doesn't seem powerful enough on this map. It's like players aren't mentally prepared for it that early, and it seems more expected by a player in a more desperate situation. I wonder if anytime would have sent his goon to scout proxy building on forte there if he hadn't won game 1. Perhaps oov could have put down a lot more mines in the center, but I guess he thought anytime had observers he didn't have. Anyways, the early advantage decided the game on a protoss favoring map. (at least from those positions.)Game 3 was cool play by oov though and he rode out the storm and punished anytimes cheekyness. He does it yet again??? Here anytime might have made one less at one stage zeal and produced more probes to get earlier goon. I don't think cannoning into oovs main would have worked here, since he already was so starved.Game 4 anytime did a buildg I thought myself might, just might work and a stronger choice than DT drop, but man. If oov had scouted with his wraith, anytime would have been a dead man. I guess he was too afraid to lose his wraith, and wanted to hunt shuttles with it. Bad call in hindsight. The double expand seemed unecessarily greedy, oov should have trusted his play and realized he doesn't need to outexpand anytime on 815. When the drop came, he was just caught with his pants down. Many ifs in that game and a lucky win sort of. 2/2 and we have a PvT finals where the championest of them all and a new strong contender face off. I'm happy. I actually managed to stay clear of any threads and just went for the vods so it was excititing up to the end of game 2 when I knew he won the series. I actually found myself relaxing at that stage. Phew, someone punctured oov's inflated ego. It's one thing to be cocky, it's one thing to have an attitude, but disrespecting his opponents is just lame. Glad he lost. | ||
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France15446 Posts
I still haven't seen or heard anything that would indicate that Oov is arrogant. He's probably not the most humble for sure, and he always speaks frankly and honestly (from what I've read), but nothing arrogant. Well, apart from that, thanks for the nice sumups of the games. | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
On October 28 2005 13:12 PoP wrote: So yeah, Oov has an inflated ego, is cocky and disrespects his opponents. Reminds me of when Boxer was known for being the same, although no one could tell why (maybe except for alleged 'rumours' from when he was an amateur or something). I still haven't seen or heard anything that would indicate that Oov is arrogant. He's probably not the most humble for sure, and he always speaks frankly and honestly (from what I've read), but nothing arrogant. Well, apart from that, thanks for the nice sumups of the games. When I heard of the match against JJu whom I like who is cocky as well but in a more cheeky way I lost a lot of respect for oov as a competetive gamer. He was trying to fuck around and make ghosts and try and "own" him in a cool way in a game he was clearly just about to win instead of just finishing the game right away. That imo is BM. You don't see a marathon runner way ahead on the final sprint towards the finish, stop and make a silly dance or lie down and pretend to have a sleep and skip over the finish line just before the second place runner comes along. That would be outrageous, no? The same way in hockey when the other team has their goalie in the booth, a player who's free with the puck doesn't fuck around and do any cool moves etc and instead just lays it in. That would also be outrageous, yes? I've seen this once in a match and way to be booed. Edit: To clarify, I at least find it extremely rude too belittle someone who tried their best. I also think it wouldn't hurt to make it mandatory for the players to either shake hands (or bow if asian, but in soccer it's handshake, and they play that in Korea too, so why not. It also seems more personal to meand there is no confusion involved regarding how much you should bow etc given rank and status) before and after the game. | ||
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
im sooo hoping he will kick boxers ass | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
On October 28 2005 13:29 chicken` wrote: anytime fighting ! im sooo hoping he will kick boxers ass It would be kind of cool if boxer gets to be the most champion and also one to take titles so far apart in time. But of course I will still root for anytime. Protoss fighting! | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 28 2005 13:22 Luhh wrote: When I heard of the match against JJu whom I like who is cocky as well but in a more cheeky way I lost a lot of respect for oov as a competetive gamer. He was trying to fuck around and make ghosts and try and "own" him in a cool way in a game he was clearly just about to win instead of just finishing the game right away. That imo is BM. Jju is known for doing lame BM announcements about how he was gonna kick out the whole T1 team of the last MSL after beating Oov. I have no idea how much serious he was when he said this but if he was, playing around with ghosts at the end of a game in which he was miles ahead is nothing in comparison, and a good little revenge. Jju not saying gg although he was losing so badly was probably too much for him. Or maybe I'm wrong and he just did that because he's cocky. We'll see if he does that vs other players. | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
On October 28 2005 13:38 PoP wrote: Jju is known for doing lame BM announcements about how he was gonna kick out the whole T1 team of the last MSL after beating Oov. I have no idea how much serious he was when he said this but if he was, playing around with ghosts at the end of a game in which he was miles ahead is nothing in comparison, and a good little revenge. Jju not saying gg although he was losing so badly was probably too much for him. Or maybe I'm wrong and he just did that because he's cocky. We'll see if he does that vs other players. Ahh. I see your point. You're right of course. I chose my words poorly. What I meant was that his attitude and cofidence showed in a bad way in the JJu game. It's not wrong to have a high opinion of oneself. In fact, it's usually a good thing. But what JJu said against taking out SKT1, I think it was more for show. I don't think even he believed it when he said it. Boy did that one backfire on him. | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 13:38 PoP wrote: Jju is known for doing lame BM announcements about how he was gonna kick out the whole T1 team of the last MSL after beating Oov. I have no idea how much serious he was when he said this but if he was, playing around with ghosts at the end of a game in which he was miles ahead is nothing in comparison, and a good little revenge. Jju not saying gg although he was losing so badly was probably too much for him. Or maybe I'm wrong and he just did that because he's cocky. We'll see if he does that vs other players. Actually, oov DID do that several times to a few other players. I can't remember all of them, but one was against Goodfriend on Nostalgia. It was perfectly clear that oov had won, and the commentators were ready to say "GG", as they kept on saying that it was 99% won. Oov then started just to fortify the choke and expanded/defended everywhere, making mass wraiths and tanks, and played around with him here and there. That was particularly famous, as people were mentioning that in the forums a while ago. On the other hand, Boxer vs Chojja: Boxer had faked Chojja out by making it look like he was going mechanic, on Luna. Boxer went bio instead, and Chojja wasted his upgrades on hydra range/speed. Chojja then had to make sunkens, and wasted more minerals there. Boxer was clearly in the lead. At one point in the game, Chojja said, "Battle?" meaning that Chojja was asking Boxer if he was making Battlecruisers, because he was so much in the lead. But Boxer didn't overkill. He just attacked with enough to win the game. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 28 2005 14:32 instantbunz wrote: Actually, oov DID do that several times to a few other players. I can't remember all of them, but one was against Goodfriend on Nostalgia. It was perfectly clear that oov had won, and the commentators were ready to say "GG", as they kept on saying that it was 99% won. Oov then started just to fortify the choke and expanded/defended everywhere, making mass wraiths and tanks, and played around with him here and there. That was particularly famous, as people were mentioning that in the forums a while ago. Doubt I've seen the game here as well, but it's basically the same: if GF had 99% lost, why didn't he concede? I don't see a problem with securing your win 100% instead of risking the remaining 1%. Oov is the kind of players who masses when his opponent lets him do so. Maybe he didn't know he was so ahead. Well, I'm just supposing here, but if you've got some link for the vod of this game, I'd be glad to see it and give a more objective input. Anyway, I've seen lots of games where the guy leading just secures instead of finishing, it's pretty common and I doubt you can say it's similar to what he did vs Jju. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
There has been ALOT of similar situations like Elky nuking Gundam and Boxer nuking Elky at WCG. JJu getting mindcontroled by Kingdom, Rock building himself up with Terran vs Fofy on Luna, Chojja infesting CCs, and probably ALOT more Im forgetting. | ||
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instantbunz
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2005 15:14 PoP wrote: Doubt I've seen the game here as well, but it's basically the same: if GF had 99% lost, why didn't he concede? I don't see a problem with securing your win 100% instead of risking the remaining 1%. Oov is the kind of players who masses when his opponent lets him do so. Maybe he didn't know he was so ahead. Well, I'm just supposing here, but if you've got some link for the vod of this game, I'd be glad to see it and give a more objective input. Anyway, I've seen lots of games where the guy leading just secures instead of finishing, it's pretty common and I doubt you can say it's similar to what he did vs Jju. There's a difference between securing the game and toying with the opponent. =p The game with oov and Goodfriend is the Gillette Starleague. Btw, there have been cases where progamers other than oov have toyed with the opponent also (not just securing the win). | ||
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United States37500 Posts
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
I laughed at the point where Pop commented if the game was 99% lost, why didnt GF leave? Instantbunz I'm afraid I cant agree with you, I've never seen anything that would make oov seem bm. One or two outlier incidents aren't enough to label someone. If anything, the way oov always mentions boxer in his interviews, and the respect he shows him, makes him seem an essentially gm person. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On October 28 2005 05:02 geod wrote: Everyone hardly stand a chance against iloveovv if playing standard - macro game . Anytime knows it very well. Vs Boxer, well it's completely another story... Funny, last year people were saying oov was "uncheesable". | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On October 28 2005 17:05 iamke55 wrote: Funny, last year people were saying oov was "uncheesable". Why "uncheesable" because people tended to chease him alot but failed... | ||
mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
2. Anytime CRUSHED oov in this one. I've never seen oov so deflated after a loss. He was in utter shock afterwards. His main had been razed so completely and overwhelmingly in games 1 and 4 that he didn't even attempt to do a "last stand" like he (and Boxer) usually does. Not that he had any units left, mind you. 3. That 3 shuttle 3 reaver 3 goon drop by Anytime was pure art. Why was oov caught so flat-footed? Why was oov expanding instead of producing defensive units? Was he just playing poorly? No. oov has probably one of the toughest defensive shells to crack in all of SC. Maybe even better than Boxer's. He was playing like iloveoov - he knew it would be a shuttle drop of mixed units backed by reavers (he had scv/wraith scouting done). It's just that he thought he could stop it - just like he stops 99% of such tactics against other players. But, Anytime isn't just another player. Fuck, the guy isn't even mortal. He's the "God of Death", according to the OGN commentators. Still don't believe me? Still think Anytime just got "lucky"? Then how do you explain this comment by Anytime just before the match: Anytime: "If I win any one of the first three games, then I've won the whole match. I won't lose games 4 and 5, if we get to them." "I won't lose games 4 and 5". That's right. The guy knew exactly how he was going to fuck over oov and he'd already determined that his strats for the last two games were virtually without counter. The God of Death indeed. It's going to be an amazing final. But, my money's on Anytime. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 29 2005 04:24 mensrea wrote: 1. People should stop using the word "luck". At this level of play, you make your own luck. Probably. 2. Anytime CRUSHED oov in this one. I've never seen oov so deflated after a loss. He was in utter shock afterwards. His main had been razed so completely and overwhelmingly in games 1 and 4 that he didn't even attempt to do a "last stand" like he (and Boxer) usually does. Not that he had any units left, mind you. Huuh, Oov usually doing a "last stand"? Not really, I'd even say it's the total opposite. Oov is probably tapping out earlier than *any* other pro, and he's known for that. Nothing special yesterday. 3. That 3 shuttle 3 reaver 3 goon drop by Anytime was pure art. Why was oov caught so flat-footed? Why was oov expanding instead of producing defensive units? Was he just playing poorly? No. I usually agree with you, but not at all here. Going double fast expo although he saw Anytime wasn't expanding himself was the shittiest decision possible, honestly. 3-4 more goliaths and it's another story. oov has probably one of the toughest defensive shells to crack in all of SC. Maybe even better than Boxer's. He was playing like iloveoov - he knew it would be a shuttle drop of mixed units backed by reavers (he had scv/wraith scouting done). I don't recall the game precisely but I think he did NOT scout with his wraith, he was about to but backed away as soon as a goon hit the wraith. It's just that he thought he could stop it - just like he stops 99% of such tactics against other players. He thought he could stop 3 reavers and 3 goons with like 6 goliaths? Yeah sure... :/ But, Anytime isn't just another player. Fuck, the guy isn't even mortal. He's the "God of Death", according to the OGN commentators. Cool nickname, but I could have beat Oov with this drop. He didn't even have to micro the reavers. Don't get me wrong, Anytime played great the whole series. But he didn't beat the best Oov. Far from that. Still don't believe me? Still think Anytime just got "lucky"? Then how do you explain this comment by Anytime just before the match: Anytime: "If I win any one of the first three games, then I've won the whole match. I won't lose games 4 and 5, if we get to them." Nice confidence, indeed. Maybe Oov said the same. Cool. "I won't lose games 4 and 5". That's right. The guy knew exactly how he was going to fuck over oov and he'd already determined that his strats for the last two games were virtually without counter. The God of Death indeed. It's funny Oov is considered cocky, cause such comments do sound way more arrogant than what Oov has ever said. I mean, either he really believed in it and then it's indeed plain arrogant, or he just said that for show (or to scare Oov or something), and then you can't base your arguments on it. | ||
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Wuselmops
Germany346 Posts
lol, reminds me of this: THE LEGEND OF PAI MEI David Carradine & Uma Thurman David Carradine: Once upon a time in China Some believe around the year, one-double knot-three. Head priest of The White Lotus Clan Pai Mei Was walking down the road Contemplating whatever a man with Pai Mei's infinite power would contemplate Which is another way of saying, who knows. When, a Shaolin monk appeared on the road traveling in the opposite direction. As the monk and the priest crossed paths... Pai Mei in a practically unfathomable display of generosity Gave the monk the slightest of nods. The nod, was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Pai Mei ? Or, did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of the monk, remain unknown. What is known, were the consequences. The next morning Pai Mei appeared at the Shaolin Temple, And demanded that the temple's head Abbot offer Pai Mei his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot, at first, tried to console Pai Mei, only to find, Pai Mei was inconsolable. So began, the massacre of the Shaolin Temple, And all sixty of the monks inside, At the fists of the White Lotus. And so began, the legend of Pai Mei's Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique. Uma Thurman : And what praytell Is a five-point palm Exploding heart technique? | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On October 29 2005 05:11 PoP wrote: Huuh, Oov usually doing a "last stand"? Not really, I'd even say it's the total opposite. Oov is probably tapping out earlier than *any* other pro, and he's known for that. Nothing special yesterday. I'm with PoP here. I even recall an interview of oov in which he said that he got criticized by Boxer for his tendency to leave games too early. I usually agree with you, but not at all here. Going double fast expo although he saw Anytime wasn't expanding himself was the shittiest decision possible, honestly. 3-4 more goliaths and it's another story. Yeah, he definitely should not have had double expanded, _especially_ considering that Anytime had not even started _any_ expansion yet. He would have been in a far better position had he built 4 Gols instead of a 3rd CC. Also he had 1 shuttle with 4 Gols @ Anytime's mineral only, where he killed a pylon, which he had to fly back (too late obviously). | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
On October 29 2005 04:24 mensrea wrote: 1. People should stop using the word "luck". At this level of play, you make your own luck. 2. Anytime CRUSHED oov in this one. I've never seen oov so deflated after a loss. He was in utter shock afterwards. His main had been razed so completely and overwhelmingly in games 1 and 4 that he didn't even attempt to do a "last stand" like he (and Boxer) usually does. Not that he had any units left, mind you. 3. That 3 shuttle 3 reaver 3 goon drop by Anytime was pure art. Why was oov caught so flat-footed? Why was oov expanding instead of producing defensive units? Was he just playing poorly? No. oov has probably one of the toughest defensive shells to crack in all of SC. Maybe even better than Boxer's. He was playing like iloveoov - he knew it would be a shuttle drop of mixed units backed by reavers (he had scv/wraith scouting done). It's just that he thought he could stop it - just like he stops 99% of such tactics against other players. But, Anytime isn't just another player. Fuck, the guy isn't even mortal. He's the "God of Death", according to the OGN commentators. Still don't believe me? Still think Anytime just got "lucky"? Then how do you explain this comment by Anytime just before the match: Anytime: "If I win any one of the first three games, then I've won the whole match. I won't lose games 4 and 5, if we get to them." "I won't lose games 4 and 5". That's right. The guy knew exactly how he was going to fuck over oov and he'd already determined that his strats for the last two games were virtually without counter. The God of Death indeed. It's going to be an amazing final. But, my money's on Anytime. Ah, the world would stop revolving if rea didn't have a new P to adore after rA's disappearance from the top ranks ^^ But truth be told, I have to agree that Anytime was amazing, and I think one can see it in the guy's eyes - the determination of a champ and the nervousness of a newcomer - as well as in his gameplay. Still, I'm also more inclined to believe that Anytime's statements about his tactics for games 4 and 5 were more a mandatory statement of confidence than anything else. IIRC oov did not scout Anytime's main at all with that wraith of his, and never made any attempts at a shuttle-hunt either, which I couldn't understand at that time like... at all, but then again he's oov... Not sure how things might or might not fare vs BoxeR now, but I recon the kind of experience and natural-born cheesiness that the Emperor is in possession of *will* provide Anytime a reason or two to spend some serious thinking on. Anyways seems like one interesting final to come - all for our common benefit, too! -Mynock | ||
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Belgium6768 Posts
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exkgb
United States504 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Anyway there's also another similarity between Julys Gillette win as well as beating oov in semi, and the general aggressive style of play. They also played Xellos in the quarters! "God of Fighters", and "God of Death" isnt too far away from each other as well Go Anytime! | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
bring back the cup for PROTOSS! | ||
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
Hmm, I don't recall ever saying anything to the effect "oov knew it would be a 3 reav 3 goon drop but still thought he could stop it". I said oov knew it would be a mixed unit shuttle drop backed by reavers. oov had scouted with both his SCV and his wraith (the scv saw the shuttle drop build, the wraith scouted the expos at 8 and 6 to confirm that Anytime wasn't going expansion). oov just never anticipated the ferocity of the drop. Why else would he be expanding at a time when he knew a) a drop was coming and b) that Anytime wasn't expanding himself? He thought he could stop "it" - but again I never said that oov knew that "it" would be 3 goon 3 reaver. Btw, this is also, in substance, the same analysis provided by the OGN commentators during the game - that oov knew a shuttle drop of mixed units backed by reaver(s) was coming, but he decided to expand because of his supreme confidence that he could stop whatever Anytime could throw at him at that stage of the game. My only point is that Anytime played fantastic. And people need to give oov some more credit, instead of trying to belittle his opponent. oov probably didn't play at his peak. But guys, please, oov is said to have practiced like crazy for this match. And why shouldn't he? It's the OGN semis afterall. The comments about how oov could have should have would have suggest two things which simply aren't true: a) that oov played badly because he was either nervous or unprepared, and b) Anytime was lucky to have won. This is absurd. It's the OGN semis. OOV practiced 10+ hours a day for the past week straight. It's ILOVEOOV. OOV's a seasoned champion who's gone toe to toe with the very best at the highest levels and won many times over - so nervousness couldn't have been a significant factor. So, what's the conclusion? I think Anytime simply came better prepared and took better advantage with better timing of the strategic nuances of the maps they were playing on. If oov played "poorly" it's only because, in hindsight, he could have should have would have done something else. But, tell me a game in which that isn't true? And if any of you speak the Korean language and know how the OGN interviews are set up, you would know that a) Anytime is about the shyest, least cocky guy you'll meet in SC, and b) Anytime's comments with respect to games 4 and 5 were never meant for oov. The timing and the structure of the OGN interview is such that Anytime knew oov wouldn't hear about it until after the match. I'd explain more, but I won't. That's just the way things are. So please no more speculation about who's cocky and who's not and who's trying to psych the other player. There was none of that. The OGN commentator Eum Jae Gyung simply asked him about what he thought about the outcome, and Anytime politely responded. And (I'm responding to PoP here) that's why I can use that comment about games 4 and 5 to back up my "argument". Anytime's game 4 win wasn't a "cheese" nor was it a "fluke" nor was it "oov playing badly". Anytime had come to win and even PoP's own comments support my conclusion: "He thought he could stop 3 reavers and 3 goons with like 6 goliaths? Yeah sure... :/" PoP is wrong about oov thinking that he could stop a 3 goon 3 reaver drop at that stage of the game (as I've commented, oov only knew there would be drop of some kind) - but, as we saw, PoP is absolutely correct that it would be very difficult to stop it. And for the record: I'm a fan of any player who entertains me. If I seem to be on the protoss bandwagon (and I am) it's only because toss players are a bit more entertaining to watch. Why that is, I don't know for sure, but perhaps the fact that, at the very highest levels of play, protoss is at a disadvantage, forces toss players to be slightly more creative than the average zerg or terran user. Anyway, if any of you have a problem with that, sue me. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 29 2005 13:40 mensrea wrote: To (mostly) PoP, Hmm, I don't recall ever saying anything to the effect "oov knew it would be a 3 reav 3 goon drop but still thought he could stop it". I said oov knew it would be a mixed unit shuttle drop backed by reavers. oov had scouted with both his SCV and his wraith (the scv saw the shuttle drop build, the wraith scouted the expos at 8 and 6 to confirm that Anytime wasn't going expansion). oov just never anticipated the ferocity of the drop. Why else would he be expanding at a time when he knew a) a drop was coming and b) that Anytime wasn't expanding himself? He thought he could stop "it" - but again I never said that oov knew that "it" would be 3 goon 3 reaver. Indeed, but then again, with all his experience and probable practice on this map, shouldn't he know approximately how much Anytime could have produced in that amount of time? Considering it was *ages* after the usual fast reaver timing and he hadn't got any expo's yet, couldn't Oov somewhat guess Anytime was attempting some do-or-die drop strat? Fact is, Anytime couldn't be preparing anything else. Yet, Oov reacted by: - expanding once more ; - dropping 4 goliaths miles away from his base although he still had pretty much nothing to defend. It's just amazingly retarded. Oov wasn't himself or just didn't think. Btw, this is also, in substance, the same analysis provided by the OGN commentators during the game - that oov knew a shuttle drop of mixed units backed by reaver(s) was coming, but he decided to expand because of his supreme confidence that he could stop whatever Anytime could throw at him at that stage of the game. Maybe. Either way, it was an awful decision. Actually I have no idea whether Oov was expecting it or not, I'm only judging the decision in itself. My only point is that Anytime played fantastic. If you're talking about that specific game, then I strongly disagree. He just did his planned build (which he learned from the coach of POS if I recall his interview) and won, without facing any resistance. That's not what I call playing fantastic: his plan simply worked out. It's not even like he needed to micro his reavers/goons after the drop. If you're talking about the whole series, I "kinda" agree. I think he played flawlessly, but "fantastic" isn't the word I would use. If you look at the series, Anytime really never had to adapt to anything. He simply went for his planned strategies (dt's in game 1, 2 gate goons to power/macro to carriers in game 2, zealot rush in game 3 and timing drop in game 4) and succeeded 3 times out of 4. When it worked, he won ; when it failed, he lost. Yes, the only time his strat failed, and the only time he actually had to improvise, he did lose. I mean, his timing, execution and micro were perfect, no doubt. But maybe if Oov could avoid a few avoidable mistakes and resist as he did in game 3, he would have been outplayed later. Who knows? See, we have only seen one "facet" of Anytime's skills: his ability to think of deadly early strats and use them in the most effective way possible. But we haven't seen how good he was at adapting. We haven't seen how good he was at playing straight-up (except in game 2, but just barely thanks to Oov's gay opening and bad scouting). We haven't seen how good he was when faced with difficult situations. In short, we haven't seen much. Not Anytime's fault, though. And people need to give oov some more credit, instead of trying to belittle his opponent. oov probably didn't play at his peak. But guys, please, oov is said to have practiced like crazy for this match. And why shouldn't he? It's the OGN semis afterall. From his (and Boxer's) proleague interview he started practicing seriously two days before the game (wednesday), because proleague is T1's top priority and he can't do anything about it. I don't doubt he trained hard during those two days, but it would surprise me a lot if Anytime didn't spend a few more days on it. Actually, it doesn't matter much. My point is only that Oov definitely wasn't in his best shape at all. The comments about how oov could have should have would have suggest two things which simply aren't true: a) that oov played badly because he was either nervous or unprepared, and b) Anytime was lucky to have won. This is absurd. It's the OGN semis. OOV practiced 10+ hours a day for the past week straight. It's ILOVEOOV. Well, nobody knows *why* he played badly, but he did. The why doesn't matter much, once again. Then again, he was probably less prepared than Anytime unless he and Boxer lied about the proleague priority thing. OOV's a seasoned champion who's gone toe to toe with the very best at the highest levels and won many times over - so nervousness couldn't have been a significant factor. So, what's the conclusion? I think Anytime simply came better prepared and took better advantage with better timing of the strategic nuances of the maps they were playing on. If oov played "poorly" it's only because, in hindsight, he could have should have would have done something else. But, tell me a game in which that isn't true? It's not just about "not making the best decisions". It's about making several crappy choices and screwing up scouting in an OSL semis. Not too common afaik. And if any of you speak the Korean language and know how the OGN interviews are set up, you would know that a) Anytime is about the shyest, least cocky guy you'll meet in SC, and b) Anytime's comments with respect to games 4 and 5 were never meant for oov. Actually I always thought of Anytime as a shy and humble guy. The timing and the structure of the OGN interview is such that Anytime knew oov wouldn't hear about it until after the match. I'd explain more, but I won't. That's just the way things are. So please no more speculation about who's cocky and who's not and who's trying to psych the other player. There was none of that. The OGN commentator Eum Jae Gyung simply asked him about what he thought about the outcome, and Anytime politely responded. Being 100% sure you will win a game, when you're such an underdog playing the best player in the world in the opposing matchup, is plain cockyness to me. Well, I guess it's entirerly subjective. And (I'm responding to PoP here) that's why I can use that comment about games 4 and 5 to back up my "argument". Anytime's game 4 win wasn't a "cheese" nor was it a "fluke" nor was it "oov playing badly". Anytime had come to win and even PoP's own comments support my conclusion: "He thought he could stop 3 reavers and 3 goons with like 6 goliaths? Yeah sure... :/" Well, isn't making retarded choices another way of "playing badly"? ... Alright, your post finally ended. | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On October 29 2005 13:40 mensrea wrote: And for the record: I'm a fan of any player who entertains me. If I seem to be on the protoss bandwagon (and I am) it's only because toss players are a bit more entertaining to watch. Why that is, I don't know for sure, but perhaps the fact that, at the very highest levels of play, protoss is at a disadvantage, forces toss players to be slightly more creative than the average zerg or terran user. Anyway, if any of you have a problem with that, sue me. <3 rea | ||
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
Speak for yourself. You must've missed Anytime owning the Challenge, finishing first overall, getting seeded, then proceeding to do well in Starleague. Anytime's record so far in OGN play is pretty amazing. In fact, he currently holds the highest win % of any active player. Now, this will most likely change over the coming months as he plays more games and his opponents are better equipped to deal with his strats and style. We may not have seen everything (I doubt anyone is saying Anytime is at the same level as oov as a player - only that there is some potential). But, "we haven't seen much" seems a bit extreme. The statement "his plan simply worked out" doesn't make sense to me. SC is a game that demands planning, practice and execution - as well as the ability to adapt (as you've already mentioned). All these things (and a few more qualities) must come together for a player to be successful. By your analysis, Garimto isn't a very good player either. Afterall, all he seems to be known for is coming up with ingenious strats against specific opponents and on specific maps and executing his plan to perfection so that the opponent gets taken off of his own plan. What a patsy. I suppose Mynock is correct: relatively "new" players like Anytime will have to prove themselves over time before they get any respect, regardless of tournament results. Pop's attitude speaks to this phenomenon, although I also suspect it probably has something to do with Pop being a fan of oov than being an Anytime hater. Nothing wrong with that, just an observation, the way Pop's been so keen to dissect every paragraph I've written about the subject and the way he's been making excuses for oov. Team League taking precedence over the OGN semis for oov? Boxer and oov may have said that, but how credible is that statement? It's the Silent_Control phenomenon. And maybe the IPXZerg phenomenon, as well. One more thing: I reviewed the whole series again and I will admit that oov truly played "poorly" in game 2. Why? Because he let his emotions take over and opened with a proxy fac that probably wasn't a part of his original game plan and, accordingly, should never have been attempted. He probably did it because of the way he got owned by a proxy gate in game 1. He thought he had been shown up. Time to return the favor. I admire the call. It was gutsy and bold. But, it didn't work. I am dropping this topic. A few people are taking this a bit too seriously and it's not enjoyable listening to people whine about a bad result in a sporting match. Bye now. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
... and like that, he's gone. Hopefully you'll be back during the Finals. --; | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Anytime has proven himself by winning challenge league and getting out of a relatively hard group. Oov, Yellow GGPlay are feared opponents though both GGplay and Yellow are known for their strength vs Terran instead of Protoss. In addition he DID beat Xellos who seems very inform lately(at least TvP). Therefore I think he\'s deserved to reach the final, and he did in a very flashy way doing alot unexpected stuff. Sure Oov might be the better player in a straight up game, but Anytime needs to focus on his own strength and his opponents weaknessses. Its not a secret Oovs strongest point of his game is macro game, thus Anytime wanted to avoid that - going the strategies he went. I think it\'s pretty well known that aggression early on pays off against oov before he can get big - which July proved over a year ago. I think Anytime WAS very well prepared, but its not secret there were some \"lucky\" moments. Oovs fac being scouted and his dropships running into goons(though Anytime had already won), and I think there are some other I forget. I want to point out Oov DID some retarded DECISIONS especially the last game, but it wasnt bad played in terms of micro/macro. It was purely his decicions all the games. Im a fan of both players, but I DO think people wanted a macrowar because Anytime DOES have great macro as well, but he decided his chances were better in a non-macrowar vs an opponent with such strong macro and thus didnt \"risk\" it in terms of letting the game be a macrofest. I dont blame him though because frankly the maps ARE difficult PvT, hell even Forte can be fucking hard PvT close spots unless you get such a start Anytime got. Finally I think Anytime will play different in the final. He should not challenge Boxer with strategies like this because Boxer is so good playing vs them, and generally defending. He should shift gear and try turning the serie into a macrogames, which I think he\'ll do as well. Which is good because then Boxer can once and for all prove his macro has become much better lately. | ||
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cava
United States1035 Posts
On October 29 2005 19:51 NeoIllusions wrote: This is probably the most active I've seen mensrea in months. And it's typically when he has an opinion to share. ... and like that, he's gone. Hopefully you'll be back during the Finals. --; I didn't even know mensrea was back until i just read this thread. Didn't he retire or move or something? All i know is its damn good to see his posts again. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On October 29 2005 23:19 Guybrush wrote: Finally I think Anytime will play different in the final. He should not challenge Boxer with strategies like this because Boxer is so good playing vs them, and generally defending. He should shift gear and try turning the serie into a macrogames, which I think he\'ll do as well. Which is good because then Boxer can once and for all prove his macro has become much better lately. Like I said, Boxer will now once and for all shut people like hT up, who after his 3-2 over Pusan in the semifinals said "how can ANY Toss lose a Bo5 against Boxer in PvT?". And then whenever anyone claims that Boxer is weak TvP, we will simply point out how Boxer won an OSL, while having to deal with extremely good Protoss players in quarters AND semis AND finals. | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
On October 29 2005 23:50 Carnac wrote: Like I said, Boxer will now once and for all shut people like hT up, who after his 3-2 over Pusan in the semifinals said "how can ANY Toss lose a Bo5 against Boxer in PvT?". And then whenever anyone claims that Boxer is weak TvP, we will simply point out how Boxer won an OSL, while having to deal with extremely good Protoss players in quarters AND semis AND finals. The reason people has been calling Boxer's TvP weak is not because he cannot win TvP games, it's because his raw mechanical power macro/micro on slightly protoss favoring maps in long grinds seem inadequate. Looks like he has worked on his macro a lot in the last year I must say. These maps seem to suit Boxer just fine. Lots of creative options in contrast to a map like Luna. Also, I think he has an edge here, albeit slight, since Anytime has tipped much more of his hand than Boxer have in this Starleague. But if Forte or ROV gets doubled, I feel I must place my liquibet points on anytime. Protoss fighting. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 29 2005 19:46 mensrea wrote: Speak for yourself. You must've missed Anytime owning the Challenge, finishing first overall, getting seeded, then proceeding to do well in Starleague. Anytime's record so far in OGN play is pretty amazing. In fact, he currently holds the highest win % of any active player. Sorry but Challenge League Terrans aren't Oov. The only time Anytime actually showed what I'm talking about (lately) is against Xellos. The OSL quarters, that is (the group stage game vs Oov also but he was already qualified for quarters so let's forget it). What happened in that series vs Xellos? Game 1, Xellos ran through his own mines to give the win to Anytime (props to him to exploit that properly but that's a mistake Xellos shouldn't have made). Game 2, straight up macro play. Anytime plays superbly but loses. Game 3, Anytime has a build and a plan, it works out perfectly, just like in the semis' games. We still haven't seen much of what he can do against a top (and I mean real top, not Iris or whoever he met during the CL) terran. I don't know if "luck" isn't the right word, but I'd say he was lucky at least for the 815 part (quarters included). Go fast main base to 2 base carriers? Fine, your opponent won't go goliaths at all (although every T does it and it works), won't notice the carriers until too late and then will die. Go fast timing drop? No problem, your opponent will send some goliaths away and spend all his minerals on CC while you can drop a nearly empty base. I don't have any other word than "luck" for that, and that is disregarding his great skills in actually using the strats. Now, this will most likely change over the coming months as he plays more games and his opponents are better equipped to deal with his strats and style. We may not have seen everything (I doubt anyone is saying Anytime is at the same level as oov as a player - only that there is some potential). But, "we haven't seen much" seems a bit extreme. The statement "his plan simply worked out" doesn't make sense to me. SC is a game that demands planning, practice and execution - as well as the ability to adapt (as you've already mentioned). All these things (and a few more qualities) must come together for a player to be successful. Then tell me how and when he had to adapt to anything Oov was doing in any of the semifinals game (except the 3rd)? He didn't, not because he was not able to, but because he didn't *need* to. It was a clear one-sided rape. By your analysis, Garimto isn't a very good player either. Afterall, all he seems to be known for is coming up with ingenious strats against specific opponents and on specific maps and executing his plan to perfection so that the opponent gets taken off of his own plan. What a patsy. If he couldn't win if his planned ingenious strats failed, then yes, I wouldn't consider him as a very good player. But we all know Garimto was also extremely good at adapting, killing pushes (by the way, did Anytime have to show any skills in killing pushes in those semis?), playing straight-up macro, and everything you can imagine. Maybe it's Anytime's case also. We may see all of this (and I hope so) in the finals, but so far, we haven't. I suppose Mynock is correct: relatively "new" players like Anytime will have to prove themselves over time before they get any respect, regardless of tournament results. Pop's attitude speaks to this phenomenon, although I also suspect it probably has something to do with Pop being a fan of oov than being an Anytime hater. I'm not a fan of Oov but I like the player a lot. And I absolutely love Anytime's balls and determination. This has nothing to do with not showing respect to him. You think the semis were fantastic, I don't. You think Oov wasn't playing poorly, I do. That's all there is about it. : ) Nothing wrong with that, just an observation, the way Pop's been so keen to dissect every paragraph I've written about the subject and the way he's been making excuses for oov. Team League taking precedence over the OGN semis for oov? Boxer and oov may have said that, but how credible is that statement? First, my "dissecting" of paragraphs is just the way I'm used to respond to long posts (usenet habits). I'm always trying to cut between the points made and not inside. This being said, I'm not making excuses for Oov. I'm just stating what they said, because I don't see what their goal could be for lying about that. It's not only been said in recent interviews but in pretty much all of SKT1's players' since the beginning of the proleague. Then again, maybe it's the case for the Plus team as well, or maybe it's total bullshit. Wouldn't see the point of lying though. I am dropping this topic. A few people are taking this a bit too seriously and it's not enjoyable listening to people whine about a bad result in a sporting match. Bye now. Taking it too seriously? Whining?... Can't you accept others' opinions? :/ I think it's a nice, enjoyable discussion. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Listoric
Germany53 Posts
Anytime won because of perfect timing and great strategies, especially designed to kick oovs ass. never seen someone preparing himself like Anytime did. He knew oovs macro is awesome and tried to distract him and kick him very early. Anytime said he wanted to win one of the first three games, so he knew that his cheese might not work at all. still, he followed his plan, executed it flawlessly and oov couldn't do anything else then defend himself over and over again. Maybe also oov thought that his win in game 3 might have stopped Anytime from attacking that early and tells him to play safer after he is still 2:1 in lead... maybe he thought that Anytime might get under pressure when losing a game on TV after it almost worked out... who knows. Anyway, still i look forward to the Final. It's going to be awesome, and i really hoped to see a TvP in the final. Maybe Anytime already made an Anti-Boxer strategy... Protoss fighting! but Boxer winning | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On November 01 2005 06:07 mrdx wrote: Does anyone else think Oov gave up waaaay too early in the 2nd game? A never-give-up fighting attitude is something Boxer failed to teach him IMO. -_- Not really, he was dead practically. | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
The aggressive all in strats we've been seeing seem to be the result of protoss players being fed up with fighting on terran terms. I've never seen so much DT play as right now, or perhaps I've been out of the loop too long. It was refreshing to see rainbow play against goodfriend. Mighty unorthodox. Future of BW still looks interesting, and there still seem to be room for improvement and creativity. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Ooh I can't wait to see Boxer's answer to Anytime... you know there's at least going to be one game that is a masterpiece strategy like 8 bunker... lol The next finals might start a new trend~ | ||
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priceless
Sweden540 Posts
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iOi
Canada1255 Posts
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priceless
Sweden540 Posts
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
On November 01 2005 15:08 priceless wrote: Yeah I really said that I know everything about how much they practise. I'm sure Pusan had practised much more than Boxer still he failed. Unless you cant prove me wrong. STFU dude you're full of shit. i bet if pusan > boxer and oov > anytime you'd be saying the opposite. i hate people who speculate and make conclusions off speculations; talk about fucking stupid... this is an OSL semi-final. i think it's fair to say all players involved would have practiced as much as possible. you are very naive. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
On November 01 2005 15:08 priceless wrote: Yeah I really said that I know everything about how much they practise. I'm sure Pusan had practised much more than Boxer still he failed. Unless you cant prove me wrong. STFU Until you can prove yourself right, STFUCOPTER. | ||
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priceless
Sweden540 Posts
And If the situation had been the opposite I wouldn't have said the exakt same thing but with the other players. It was just a feeling that I felt during the groupstage of this OSL. When Stork were up to YellOw I know he would lose beacuse he wasn't good enough to beat YellOw pvz. But when Anytime would meet YellOw It was no doubt for me that Anytime would own him. It's like two different feelings from judging two different players. Sometimes You'll just have a feeling for a player with that little extra in his style. I expect to get flamed for this post so goodnight all. | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
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miNi
Korea (South)2010 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
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baba1
Canada355 Posts
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