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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
February 25 2012 04:40 GMT
#821
On February 25 2012 13:37 Motivate wrote:
fucking terran. can't believe toss complains about zvp being hard when zvt is easily the most imbalanced match up. and that wooing CJ guy.... erhghghg i hate leta now.


Its not imbalanced -.- its just a very smartly designed build. If you let jaedong play against it again Im sure he'll be fine.
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
February 25 2012 04:40 GMT
#822
On February 25 2012 13:39 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 13:38 Ideas wrote:
i thought the woo guy was a woo girl

and that she's at every CJ match and it sucks

I think it's a guy

second part is definitely true though

Wasn't there like one CJ match last round where he wasn't there? Obviously noticeable when there are no WOOOOOOOs the entire match.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
February 25 2012 04:40 GMT
#823
On February 25 2012 13:39 darkmetal505 wrote:
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On February 25 2012 13:37 gds wrote:
Anyone knows how to counter Leta's strategy? seems unbeatable


One of those builds where you don't know the MnM is coming with the mech. Twas hard to counter. If he had known earlier, lurkers would've helped.

Leta would have died to 3 hatch spire.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
February 25 2012 04:41 GMT
#824
Wow.... What can a Zerg really can do against that ? Leta played a awesome game.
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Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
February 25 2012 04:41 GMT
#825
On February 25 2012 13:40 Battleship789 wrote:
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On February 25 2012 13:37 gds wrote:
Anyone knows how to counter Leta's strategy? seems unbeatable

If you scouted it, going fast hive and lurker/ling/muta would probably work. Or mass mutas to break the first push, since Leta didn't get vessels.


I guess you don't have time to make enough of them. Any counter? maybe fast Hive?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 04:43:39
February 25 2012 04:41 GMT
#826
The goliath/MM push was a build that I think was popular for like a month back in 2009 or 2010 in PL, I forget how people beat it though.

Edit: I want to say it was the same style of build that Advokate used to take a game off of JD in WCG, but that might've been a pure goliath timing; I don't remember.
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Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
February 25 2012 04:41 GMT
#827
8 wins, 3 losses for Leta this season. Not bad, relative to last year.
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yepenaxa
Profile Joined July 2011
Belarus2280 Posts
February 25 2012 04:42 GMT
#828
On February 25 2012 13:36 Hinanawi wrote:
Damn, JD got picked apart like a B-team Zerg there. Sad to see.

M&M really do wreck hydras disgustingly well.

Marines wreck everything. Period.
War. Bloody War.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
February 25 2012 04:42 GMT
#829
What is with all these posts complaining about the build?? JD played so far from perfect that the end result was hardly surprising.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8173 Posts
February 25 2012 04:42 GMT
#830
2 hatch muta needs to make a comeback IMO

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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
February 25 2012 04:42 GMT
#831
oh man... that was some tough luck with the low ground disadvantage vs that mine.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 04:45:41
February 25 2012 04:42 GMT
#832
On February 25 2012 13:41 Elyvilon wrote:
The goliath/MM push was a build that I think was popular for like a month back in 2009 or 2010 in PL, I forget how people beat it though.

Flash did something like that twice in 2009 and the second time he just got pwned by Jaedong's mutas. But that was opening with bio and adding gols.
Flash also went goliaths into surprise bio switch, which I don't recall anyone else ever doing using that particular surprise timing.
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
February 25 2012 04:43 GMT
#833
Golionic is really an excellent build though, very unlikely for JD to have been able to scout that unless he sacs mutas to scout, which he has no reason to because it just seems like normal goliath timing push.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
February 25 2012 04:43 GMT
#834
On February 25 2012 13:36 kuroshiroi wrote:
How the fuck do you counter everything? Tank, goliath, bio...



Leta way more annoying with tech switches in that game too.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 25 2012 04:43 GMT
#835
On February 25 2012 13:41 Hier wrote:
8 wins, 3 losses for Leta this season. Not bad, relative to last year.

Pretty sure he also the only one consistently getting results on Entus.
WriterXiao8~~
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
February 25 2012 04:43 GMT
#836
On February 25 2012 13:41 Elyvilon wrote:
The goliath/MM push was a build that I think was popular for like a month back in 2009 or 2010 in PL, I forget how people beat it though.

Flash reused it in his 3-0ing of Jaedong too. Well in a bit different. Jaedong actually guessed it right I think, but a bit too late, and I'm pretty sure he would have won it without those early losses, which snowballed into worse muta harass, later third and later lurk + smaller army... Anyway, nice game by leta.
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S-Class
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (North)665 Posts
February 25 2012 04:43 GMT
#837
On February 25 2012 13:37 Motivate wrote:
fucking terran. can't believe toss complains about zvp being hard when zvt is easily the most imbalanced match up. and that wooing CJ guy.... erhghghg i hate leta now.

Zerg tears.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
February 25 2012 04:44 GMT
#838
Leta did a really good job blocking the third; killed 2 or 3 drones trying to put it up, and then he deflected the muta pressure with almost no damage. 2-hatch has to do more than that to come out even, and the missing gas from the late third really hurt against that push.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
February 25 2012 04:45 GMT
#839
On February 25 2012 13:39 kuroshiroi wrote:
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On February 25 2012 13:37 Xiphos wrote:
On February 25 2012 13:36 kuroshiroi wrote:
How the fuck do you counter everything? Tank, goliath, bio...


By not playing minesweeper.

I don't think that would have mattered. That force seemed ridiculously strong and JD only managed to kill a few tanks and marines. But I guess we'll never know. He did play poorly though, looks like JD has been practicing ZvZ and ZvP again and not only ZvT.


I think Jaedong should have went for +1 Carapace Hydra Lurker to stop the push. Hydras to absorb the initial blow by tanks and Lurkers to stabilize. Then from that point on, make Speedlings until hive.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6268 Posts
February 25 2012 04:45 GMT
#840
On February 25 2012 13:37 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 13:36 kuroshiroi wrote:
How the fuck do you counter everything? Tank, goliath, bio...

Not lose 9 hydras for nothing, sack a bunch of mutas to turrets and not have your third denied twice.

It doesn't matter how many mutas and hydras you save if in the end all you have is muta/hydra.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
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