On December 18 2011 17:46 Lysanias wrote: Effort's drop play did very little damage that also did not really help him, also getting muta with that many HT's out not the best call they all popped like popcorn instantly.
those drops were very ill-conceived and stats spotted them and reacted expertly
On December 18 2011 17:41 Taekwon wrote: Never makes sense ;lol
KT is clutch.
KT IS THE CLUTCHEST TEAM EVER!
Oh come on now =_=. That is so far from the truth lol.
I don't know dude we won every proleague playoff match on the back of Hoejja, Roo, and some voodoo magic. The team isn't that strong, but it is clutch.
Yeah its just that blind said "EVER" and it brought me back to when KT was chock block full of super stars, each player an ace match candidate.
On December 18 2011 17:46 Lysanias wrote: Effort's drop play did very little damage that also did not really help him, also getting muta with that many HT's out not the best call they all popped like popcorn instantly.
those drops were very ill-conceived and stats spotted them and reacted expertly
Like placing his first lurker in canon range
yeah when i saw it I was like,hes seriously not going to go through those cannons is he?
On December 18 2011 17:45 Release wrote: Stats is the Kal of 2012
Fuck you
Stats is the Stats of KT, not limmited to any year
Only thing stats and kal has shared is that they both cant beat JD to save their life :p And Stats' playstyle is more like Free if anything
No it isn't. Free dominated PvZ with a steady amassment of units into a lategame that was unfathomably good (like Free's lategame PvZ at one point was so good that bisu would cream his panties). He wasn't completely devoid of aggression, but it wasn't his defining trait.
Stats is hyper aggressive in the early game and likes to push out if at all possible in the midgame. He's also hellbent on overlord hunting with his corsairs (the majority of his top notch pvz wins you will see him sacrificing sairs for early overlord kills, like in this game). Stats likes to end the game fast. Free in his prime is basically the polar opposite of Stats.
Hmm true, but it's nothing like Kal's harass everywhere style, and stats' play is more similar given that he has no problems about going to the lategame (and he takes expos at like every timing unless he knows that he can end the game)
On December 18 2011 17:46 Lysanias wrote: Effort's drop play did very little damage that also did not really help him, also getting muta with that many HT's out not the best call they all popped like popcorn instantly.
those drops were very ill-conceived and stats spotted them and reacted expertly
Like placing his first lurker in canon range
Things happen. Nut yeah, Stats was really good defending the drops. And the failed drops didn't help effort.
Hydra lost a ZvZ and EffOrt lost a ZvP, if someone told me that they both would happen in the same game and vs HoeJJa and Stats respectively, I'd die of laughter. And why would someone ever send Horang2 in the first set? It was pretty obvious that Stats wouldn't play on set #1.
And Stats' PvZ is only second to Bisu? Give me a break. Stats lost to SKT Zergs last year more than he won against them.
On December 18 2011 17:45 Release wrote: Stats is the Kal of 2012
Fuck you
Stats is the Stats of KT, not limmited to any year
Only thing stats and kal has shared is that they both cant beat JD to save their life :p And Stats' playstyle is more like Free if anything
No it isn't. Free dominated PvZ with a steady amassment of units into a lategame that was unfathomably good (like Free's lategame PvZ at one point was so good that bisu would cream his panties). He wasn't completely devoid of aggression, but it wasn't his defining trait.
Stats is hyper aggressive in the early game and likes to push out if at all possible in the midgame. He's also hellbent on overlord hunting with his corsairs (the majority of his top notch pvz wins you will see him sacrificing sairs for early overlord kills, like in this game). Stats likes to end the game fast. Free in his prime is basically the polar opposite of Stats.
Hmm true, but it's nothing like Kal's harass everywhere style, and stats' play is more similar given that he has no problems about going to the lategame (and he takes expos at like every timing unless he knows that he can end the game)
Stats does small attacks with ground units that are very micro oriented(one of stats favorite strategies is an early 2 zealot 1 dragoon 1 probe attack on a zerg third, for instance, or one quick dt for prodding like you saw here). Kal was more of a drop harass guy (red shuttle) that is more multitasking oriented. Similar effects, different style.
On December 18 2011 17:45 Release wrote: Stats is the Kal of 2012
Fuck you
Stats is the Stats of KT, not limmited to any year
Only thing stats and kal has shared is that they both cant beat JD to save their life :p And Stats' playstyle is more like Free if anything
No it isn't. Free dominated PvZ with a steady amassment of units into a lategame that was unfathomably good (like Free's lategame PvZ at one point was so good that bisu would cream his panties). He wasn't completely devoid of aggression, but it wasn't his defining trait.
Stats is hyper aggressive in the early game and likes to push out if at all possible in the midgame. He's also hellbent on overlord hunting with his corsairs (the majority of his top notch pvz wins you will see him sacrificing sairs for early overlord kills, like in this game). Stats likes to end the game fast. Free in his prime is basically the polar opposite of Stats.
Hmm true, but it's nothing like Kal's harass everywhere style, and stats' play is more similar given that he has no problems about going to the lategame (and he takes expos at like every timing unless he knows that he can end the game)
He just seems to play modern PvZ which requires being aggressive with zealots early on. And he can play it well. He maybe doesn't have multitasking of Bisu but I guess he's more similar to Stork
On December 18 2011 17:52 Djagulingu wrote: Hydra lost a ZvZ and EffOrt lost a ZvP. And why would someone ever send Horang2 in the first set? It was pretty obvious that Stats wouldn't play on set #1.
Jade is a protoss map. So many PvP and manner pylons to prove it. CJ coach get's it mostly right, but the player just don't pull through. 3.5/5 matchup wins.
On December 18 2011 17:52 Djagulingu wrote: Hydra lost a ZvZ and EffOrt lost a ZvP. And why would someone ever send Horang2 in the first set? It was pretty obvious that Stats wouldn't play on set #1.
Jade is a protoss map. So many PvP and manner pylons to prove it. CJ coach get's it mostly right, but the player just don't pull through. 3.5/5 matchup wins.
On December 18 2011 17:52 Djagulingu wrote: Hydra lost a ZvZ and EffOrt lost a ZvP, if someone told me that they both would happen in the same game and vs HoeJJa and Stats respectively, I'd die of laughter. And why would someone ever send Horang2 in the first set? It was pretty obvious that Stats wouldn't play on set #1.
And Stats' PvZ is only second to Bisu? Give me a break. Stats lost to SKT Zergs last year more than he won against them.
He also wiped the floor with CJ and Woongjin zergs. PvZ is a little flukey and Stats is no exception, but there really isn't someone besides Bisu who has impressed in PvZ as much as Stats has over the last two years.
On December 18 2011 17:45 Release wrote: Stats is the Kal of 2012
Fuck you
Stats is the Stats of KT, not limmited to any year
Only thing stats and kal has shared is that they both cant beat JD to save their life :p And Stats' playstyle is more like Free if anything
No it isn't. Free dominated PvZ with a steady amassment of units into a lategame that was unfathomably good (like Free's lategame PvZ at one point was so good that bisu would cream his panties). He wasn't completely devoid of aggression, but it wasn't his defining trait.
Stats is hyper aggressive in the early game and likes to push out if at all possible in the midgame. He's also hellbent on overlord hunting with his corsairs (the majority of his top notch pvz wins you will see him sacrificing sairs for early overlord kills, like in this game). Stats likes to end the game fast. Free in his prime is basically the polar opposite of Stats.
Hmm true, but it's nothing like Kal's harass everywhere style, and stats' play is more similar given that he has no problems about going to the lategame (and he takes expos at like every timing unless he knows that he can end the game)
Stats does small attacks with ground units that are very micro oriented. Kal was more of a drop harass guy (red shuttle) that is more multitasking oriented. Similar effects, different style.
That's very different in itself, kal also opens 2stargate and robotics openings (for DT, storm or reaver drops) often, while the last time I remember stats going robo openings was vs zero on odd-eye where he did the speedlot storm reaver timing (Which I believe M18M failed trying to do earlier this year? It was a game on Chain Reaction atleast)
Let's just say that I like to think that stats' style is his own :3
OK, now I can go to bed all happy. KT won, CJ lost, Effort lost - CJ/Effort's fanboys will hopefully become a bit more quiet at the forum and we will all live in a better world from now on.
Guys how the FUCK did I stay up to watch a shitty TvT where the loser blows his tremendous advantage then fall sleep through the last 2 epic games? Is this punishment for something I've done?
I have bad news to all other pro league team's we are coming to get you ^_^ , for all the lolster jokes you were throwing at us when we we are losing like hell .
On December 18 2011 17:57 Lebesgue wrote: OK, now I can go to bed all happy. KT won, CJ lost, Effort lost - CJ/Effort's fanboys will hopefully become a bit more quiet at the forum and we will all live in a better world from now on.
Us KT fans will probally be helluva more noisy and annoying...