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ShuttingFromTheSky
Profile Joined December 2011
Japan199 Posts
December 18 2011 09:18 GMT
#1661
On December 18 2011 18:00 o[twist] wrote:
why is it almost a week and a half before KT plays again? no momentum there


It's actually only 6 days, son. As i see it they play on the 24th against Woongjin.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 09:19:32
December 18 2011 09:19 GMT
#1662
im so sad i wasnt able to watch,

but i checked the store and saw 1-2 with hydra and effort left to play and was like, sighh

then i kept reading the LRs...

KT
KT
KT
KT

;D

so thank you for the hype!
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 18 2011 09:21 GMT
#1663
On December 18 2011 18:14 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
I still don't understand how Stats has such a good record vs the CJ and Stars Zergs. Is his PvZ style suited to countering the CJ/Stars Zergs style or something? Admittedly I haven't watched many of the games between them.


His style is aggressive and very boom or bust. CJ/Woongjin zergs are very hardcore macro heavy late game players and Stats exploits their weaknesses well.
Remember Violet.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 18 2011 09:22 GMT
#1664
Disappointing.
But it's well known that despite its depth, CJ isn't the most reliable team due to its uncanny ability to choke when necessary.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 09:25:02
December 18 2011 09:23 GMT
#1665
On December 18 2011 18:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 18:14 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
I still don't understand how Stats has such a good record vs the CJ and Stars Zergs. Is his PvZ style suited to countering the CJ/Stars Zergs style or something? Admittedly I haven't watched many of the games between them.


His style is aggressive and very boom or bust. CJ/Woongjin zergs are very hardcore macro heavy late game players and Stats exploits their weaknesses well.

Not to mention he practices with Action (he said that action is unbeatable inhouse in some interview last year so they prolly practice a good amount) so he is confident going into lategame.

On December 18 2011 18:22 Lightwip wrote:
Disappointing.
But it's well known that despite its depth, CJ isn't the most reliable team due to its uncanny ability to choke when necessary.

.. Watch the games KT won, come back, look me in the eyes and tell me that effort and hydra choked (I didnt watch the first 3 games, so I'll be shut about them)
In the woods, there lurks..
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 18 2011 09:26 GMT
#1666
On December 18 2011 18:22 Lightwip wrote:
Disappointing.
But it's well known that despite its depth, CJ isn't the most reliable team due to its uncanny ability to choke when necessary.


go away >:[
Remember Violet.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
December 18 2011 09:31 GMT
#1667
omfg. how did CJ LOSE?!
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
December 18 2011 09:34 GMT
#1668
On December 18 2011 18:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 18:14 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
I still don't understand how Stats has such a good record vs the CJ and Stars Zergs. Is his PvZ style suited to countering the CJ/Stars Zergs style or something? Admittedly I haven't watched many of the games between them.


His style is aggressive and very boom or bust. CJ/Woongjin zergs are very hardcore macro heavy late game players and Stats exploits their weaknesses well.


stats is just an all around really solid player, i would actually say that stats is not particularly aggressive (bisu and movie tend to have a lot more early / midgame pressure with zealots and mid-sized balls of doom) as a PvZer but he has a good eye for expansions that i think very few other protosses do when playing against zerg.

stat's has a pretty a good record vs CJ and Stars zergs, but his record against most zergs that aren't Jaedong (he's 0-7 against JD out of a 35-29 vZ total) is also very impressive (around 61%). Jaedong in particular tends to go for lategame vP as a default build when he doesn't seem to have prepared for a vP matchup on maps for early pressure (much to his detriment as of late, what with very far third and fourths on the maps last season), which imo is one of the reasons why stats hasn't been able to beat JD yet: he isn't good at pressuring him when he is relying on sim city and mobile lings to defend his expoes, whereas bisu in particular is very good at KO'ing JD early with his signature zealot harass.
Hey! Listen!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 09:39:53
December 18 2011 09:39 GMT
#1669
Most of stats losses to Jaedong are slight mistimings or minor early game mistakes like letting lings runby. They hardly ever made it to the mid-lategame and when they did, Jaedong had a massive advantage.

Stats more often will attack with his first units than not. Not sure why you don't think he's aggressive when it's very clearly his preferred style. He didn't in this game because, well, goddamn look at that map man.
Remember Violet.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
December 18 2011 09:42 GMT
#1670
Oh well, EffOrt's not immortal after all. No issue though, the CJ train will keep on rolling!
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
December 18 2011 09:45 GMT
#1671
Let's talk about the player themes, and how flash and stats chose the most epic music ever.
Askalaphos
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany772 Posts
December 18 2011 09:47 GMT
#1672
I can't believe it... but anyway: Gratz to KT!
FavZerg: EffOrt, Jaedong; FavProtoss: Movie, Kal; FavTerran: BaBy, Leta
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
December 18 2011 09:54 GMT
#1673
On December 18 2011 18:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Most of stats losses to Jaedong are slight mistimings or minor early game mistakes like letting lings runby. They hardly ever made it to the mid-lategame and when they did, Jaedong had a massive advantage.

Stats more often will attack with his first units than not. Not sure why you don't think he's aggressive when it's very clearly his preferred style. He didn't in this game because, well, goddamn look at that map man.


i suppose its more of what you compare them to, i drew the comparison between stats and bisu because they both have (imo) a somewhat similar PvZ style that focuses on getting a third-destroying ball push with HT, and between them bisu is decisively more aggressive in the early-midgame

and in drawing a comparison between JD and CJ / woongjin zergs, i wouldn't say that they are lategame oriented as compared to JD and his ever-growing fetish for getting 4 hatcheries and 3 expoes before any deep tech lol.
Hey! Listen!
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 10:38:48
December 18 2011 10:19 GMT
#1674
Hoejja is a miracle. I don't know how many times he had forced an ace/last game.
Our first taste of sweet victory, came from CJ's first tears.
KT hell yeah.
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 18 2011 17:38 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 17:38 X10A wrote:
Large Hydra drop on the mineral only
Lots and lots of hydras
That nexus is taking a beating from the storms
Drop didn't do alot though...
Effort producing some mutas now

I don't think storm does damage to buildings.

lol.


+ Show Spoiler +
On December 18 2011 14:34 konadora wrote:
KT ROFLSTOMPEDSTER

double lol.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 18 2011 10:22 GMT
#1675
i'm amazed that hoejja managed to win

well, it seems that KT will be always the rock in our shoes
BW is back
yskay
Profile Joined January 2010
Argentina23 Posts
December 18 2011 10:24 GMT
#1676
lose vs ace
win vs cj
Lol
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
December 18 2011 10:33 GMT
#1677
On December 18 2011 19:24 yskay wrote:
lose vs ace
win vs cj
Lol


scumbag KT.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
December 18 2011 10:39 GMT
#1678
first step to the championship bitches
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
December 18 2011 10:41 GMT
#1679
definitely a morale booster. i expect the boys to perform better from now on. Also, sir lee ji hoon, pls send perfective instead of CH, ok?
Woo Jung Ho
kidcrash
Profile Joined September 2009
United States623 Posts
December 18 2011 10:45 GMT
#1680
On December 18 2011 18:34 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 18:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On December 18 2011 18:14 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
I still don't understand how Stats has such a good record vs the CJ and Stars Zergs. Is his PvZ style suited to countering the CJ/Stars Zergs style or something? Admittedly I haven't watched many of the games between them.


His style is aggressive and very boom or bust. CJ/Woongjin zergs are very hardcore macro heavy late game players and Stats exploits their weaknesses well.


stats is just an all around really solid player, i would actually say that stats is not particularly aggressive (bisu and movie tend to have a lot more early / midgame pressure with zealots and mid-sized balls of doom) as a PvZer but he has a good eye for expansions that i think very few other protosses do when playing against zerg.

stat's has a pretty a good record vs CJ and Stars zergs, but his record against most zergs that aren't Jaedong (he's 0-7 against JD out of a 35-29 vZ total) is also very impressive (around 61%). Jaedong in particular tends to go for lategame vP as a default build when he doesn't seem to have prepared for a vP matchup on maps for early pressure (much to his detriment as of late, what with very far third and fourths on the maps last season), which imo is one of the reasons why stats hasn't been able to beat JD yet: he isn't good at pressuring him when he is relying on sim city and mobile lings to defend his expoes, whereas bisu in particular is very good at KO'ing JD early with his signature zealot harass.


Yeah I notice he has pretty impeccable expansion timing. I also noticed that he only engages when he knows he is in good position to and never throws away units (Jaehoon vs Zero). Just all around solid decision making on as consistent basis.
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