• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:33
CEST 18:33
KST 01:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE18
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #4/8 - Percival Protoss AoE skill expression 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #3/8 - Clem Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Recent recommended BW games Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Clem Fan Club INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
NBA General Discussion Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5318 users

[SPL] SK Telecom 1 vs Team Kespa 8 - Page 215

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 213 214 215 216 217 220 Next
YellOwSky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada156 Posts
November 26 2011 05:25 GMT
#4281
When the next match?
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 26 2011 05:27 GMT
#4282
On November 26 2011 14:25 YellOwSky wrote:
When the next match?

Starting real soon, commercials are on
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
November 26 2011 05:28 GMT
#4283
On November 26 2011 14:16 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 14:15 Fenrax wrote:
really good series. Baby vs. Sea best match. Close and high level. 2nd best JD vs. BeSt. Impreesive PvZ by BeSt and Jaedong 4-base play destroyed once again. Bisu dominating Jaehoon and Baby crushing Soo was worth watching, too. Would have loved to see Fanta vs. Killer though.

Thanks streamers.


its like everytime jaedong loses vs P it's because he goes for fast 4th base and just gets crushed because he has no defense. why the fuck does he keep doing this strat?

or maybe i just remember the loses way more often than the times he wins doing this...


In this instance, Jaedong overprepped for sairs.
I think he was to intent on preventing another humiliating loss similar to his match vs Bisu on match.
In his usual ZvPs he always made mutas but with T1 so focused on air superiority, he decided that he couldn't
critically balance muta and scourge so he went 100% scourge. About 60% of those scourge ended up doing nothing.
Jaedong was planning on cementing a ground advantage and was self satisfied with one sunken and one spore at both nats - the spores hurting him a lot more. the early 4th was a mistake in his other vPs because he went mutas but in this case, dong was confident that he could amass drone count fast enough for a bigger hydra army.
the mass scourge made it impossible to properly defend - even if he had defended, i think if he had stopped drone production after the initial scourge attack, he would've had enough hydras and drone count to secure an economic 4th.
Another map factor was the high ground above the natural. once dong got complacent with his air control, the high ground was the perfect strategic decision from Park.
Coach Park chose best because of how open the distance between the potential 3rd and his natural are. the long cliffs that act as an inlay to each base is ridiculously long and that prevents any zerg sandwiches - best prepared knowing this so he had decided on a majority goon count and more than usual hts to exploit that.

it is easy for toss to lay in the pressure on this map, thus parks anti snipe. jaedongs strategy just happened to unluckily play into bests interests.
▲ ▲ ▲
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 26 2011 05:30 GMT
#4284
lol Jaedong's strategy was pretty solid, he just missed the crucial egg block that would've prevented the Zealots from reaching his sunkens.

You see in Best's first attempt at Jaedong's natural how a single egg block foiled Best from busting it. It was pretty much the exact same thing at the third, but this time Jaedong's egg block was done incorrectly, allowing Zealots to wrap around the sunkens.

Also it was rather clear Best had a better understanding of the map, since he abused the map very strongly. Like the DT kills in the beginning--should have not happened if Jaedong had it happen to him in practice before.
Writerptrk
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 26 2011 05:31 GMT
#4285
On November 26 2011 14:28 Taekwon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 14:16 Ideas wrote:
On November 26 2011 14:15 Fenrax wrote:
really good series. Baby vs. Sea best match. Close and high level. 2nd best JD vs. BeSt. Impreesive PvZ by BeSt and Jaedong 4-base play destroyed once again. Bisu dominating Jaehoon and Baby crushing Soo was worth watching, too. Would have loved to see Fanta vs. Killer though.

Thanks streamers.


its like everytime jaedong loses vs P it's because he goes for fast 4th base and just gets crushed because he has no defense. why the fuck does he keep doing this strat?

or maybe i just remember the loses way more often than the times he wins doing this...


In this instance, Jaedong overprepped for sairs.
I think he was to intent on preventing another humiliating loss similar to his match vs Bisu on match.
In his usual ZvPs he always made mutas but with T1 so focused on air superiority, he decided that he couldn't
critically balance muta and scourge so he went 100% scourge. About 60% of those scourge ended up doing nothing.
Jaedong was planning on cementing a ground advantage and was self satisfied with one sunken and one spore at both nats - the spores hurting him a lot more. the early 4th was a mistake in his other vPs because he went mutas but in this case, dong was confident that he could amass drone count fast enough for a bigger hydra army.
the mass scourge made it impossible to properly defend - even if he had defended, i think if he had stopped drone production after the initial scourge attack, he would've had enough hydras and drone count to secure an economic 4th.
Another map factor was the high ground above the natural. once dong got complacent with his air control, the high ground was the perfect strategic decision from Park.
Coach Park chose best because of how open the distance between the potential 3rd and his natural are. the long cliffs that act as an inlay to each base is ridiculously long and that prevents any zerg sandwiches - best prepared knowing this so he had decided on a majority goon count and more than usual hts to exploit that.

it is easy for toss to lay in the pressure on this map, thus parks anti snipe. jaedongs strategy just happened to unluckily play into bests interests.

he had one sunken on the 2d hatch, he had 3 sunkens and a spire on 7h, he let the zealots in on 7th due to lack of units there due to making a fuckton of scourge due to playing badly
friendbg
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria576 Posts
November 26 2011 05:31 GMT
#4286
man, killer was the choice vs best. JD should have been put up against fantasy
Why leave today's work for tomorrow, when you can do it the day after
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3513 Posts
November 26 2011 05:33 GMT
#4287
Ouch, rough start for Team 8. SKT Protoss line looking godly though! =D
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
November 26 2011 05:33 GMT
#4288
I can see it...just a few months from now.

A now, introducing the president of SK planet, to present the winner's trophy, to the manager of SK telecom T1
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 26 2011 05:34 GMT
#4289
there is no such an excuse as a bad egg block, you have only one game, no ace match.
Baby played well, or maybe its Soo's vT...
Sea played well, but Sun outplayed him, well ok with it.
Jaehoon was a waste of time, Killer should tried his skills, but again vs who? Bisu?
JD played bad. Fair score for SKT1
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4429 Posts
November 26 2011 05:34 GMT
#4290
Fuck I missed it T_T
Sucker for nostalgia
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
November 26 2011 05:35 GMT
#4291
:[
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 26 2011 05:35 GMT
#4292
On November 26 2011 14:33 Zona wrote:
I can see it...just a few months from now.

A now, introducing the president of SK planet, to present the winner's trophy, to the manager of SK telecom T1

Ah, but we need to still keep up the illusion that every other team is in charge of their own destiny!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
November 26 2011 05:35 GMT
#4293
GG SKT!
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
November 26 2011 05:36 GMT
#4294
i missed this, fuck!

how were the maps?
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
OKScottish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States217 Posts
November 26 2011 05:36 GMT
#4295
Wow that last match!
twitch.tv/OK_Scottish :: twitter.com/OKScottish :: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :: (╯°-°)╯︵ ┻━┻ :: Prime Clan <3♥<3♥
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
November 26 2011 05:37 GMT
#4296
oh yah <3 straemers!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 26 2011 05:37 GMT
#4297
Nice games overall, despite the JD and Sea's loss (weep weep), I'm somewhat angry with JD playstyle again...
But lets see next match, nice season start!
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 26 2011 05:37 GMT
#4298
On November 26 2011 14:34 letian wrote:
there is no such an excuse as a bad egg block, you have only one game, no ace match.
Baby played well, or maybe its Soo's vT...
Sea played well, but Sun outplayed him, well ok with it.
Jaehoon was a waste of time, Killer should tried his skills, but again vs who? Bisu?
JD played bad. Fair score for SKT1

it's not an excuse, it's the reason why Jaedong lost the game and that's simply how he plays the game. He walks the wire and sometimes he'll fail, but more often or not he'll pull it off fantastically, which is why we all love to watch Jaedong play.
Writerptrk
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 26 2011 05:38 GMT
#4299
On November 26 2011 14:36 Legatus Lanius wrote:
i missed this, fuck!

how were the maps?

first 2 were good, 4th also pretty nice, I didn't like the 3d
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 26 2011 05:39 GMT
#4300
On November 26 2011 14:38 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 14:36 Legatus Lanius wrote:
i missed this, fuck!

how were the maps?

first 2 were good, 4th also pretty nice, I didn't like the 3d

I think they need more time to figure it out, especially the 3rd because it looks pretty technical.
Overall I'm happy so far.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Prev 1 213 214 215 216 217 220 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#125
DnS vs Rex
Reynor vs Cure
RotterdaM515
IndyStarCraft 105
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 515
IndyStarCraft 105
ProTech38
EmSc Tv 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 673
firebathero 632
BeSt 355
Larva 256
hero 110
Dewaltoss 109
Sea.KH 71
Sharp 59
scan(afreeca) 53
Hyun 52
[ Show more ]
BRAT_OK 49
Barracks 29
Terrorterran 26
Bale 18
Rock 12
Sexy 10
IntoTheRainbow 10
Dota 2
Gorgc3520
qojqva1588
syndereN353
Fuzer 162
420jenkins120
XcaliburYe53
Counter-Strike
fl0m6414
ceh9345
kRYSTAL_63
Other Games
singsing1741
B2W.Neo886
FrodaN778
byalli258
Hui .149
ArmadaUGS114
Mew2King92
XaKoH 64
QueenE62
JuggernautJason6
Organizations
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 11
EmSc2Tv 11
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 59
• mYiSmile120
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 10
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV532
League of Legends
• Jankos1394
• Nemesis1206
• Shiphtur253
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 27m
RSL Revival
16h 27m
herO vs SHIN
Clem vs Solar
Serral vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
1d 1h
Ladder Legends
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 16h
OSC
1d 20h
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The Patches Monday
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-05
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.