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YellOwSky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada156 Posts
November 26 2011 05:25 GMT
#4281
When the next match?
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 26 2011 05:27 GMT
#4282
On November 26 2011 14:25 YellOwSky wrote:
When the next match?

Starting real soon, commercials are on
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
November 26 2011 05:28 GMT
#4283
On November 26 2011 14:16 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 14:15 Fenrax wrote:
really good series. Baby vs. Sea best match. Close and high level. 2nd best JD vs. BeSt. Impreesive PvZ by BeSt and Jaedong 4-base play destroyed once again. Bisu dominating Jaehoon and Baby crushing Soo was worth watching, too. Would have loved to see Fanta vs. Killer though.

Thanks streamers.


its like everytime jaedong loses vs P it's because he goes for fast 4th base and just gets crushed because he has no defense. why the fuck does he keep doing this strat?

or maybe i just remember the loses way more often than the times he wins doing this...


In this instance, Jaedong overprepped for sairs.
I think he was to intent on preventing another humiliating loss similar to his match vs Bisu on match.
In his usual ZvPs he always made mutas but with T1 so focused on air superiority, he decided that he couldn't
critically balance muta and scourge so he went 100% scourge. About 60% of those scourge ended up doing nothing.
Jaedong was planning on cementing a ground advantage and was self satisfied with one sunken and one spore at both nats - the spores hurting him a lot more. the early 4th was a mistake in his other vPs because he went mutas but in this case, dong was confident that he could amass drone count fast enough for a bigger hydra army.
the mass scourge made it impossible to properly defend - even if he had defended, i think if he had stopped drone production after the initial scourge attack, he would've had enough hydras and drone count to secure an economic 4th.
Another map factor was the high ground above the natural. once dong got complacent with his air control, the high ground was the perfect strategic decision from Park.
Coach Park chose best because of how open the distance between the potential 3rd and his natural are. the long cliffs that act as an inlay to each base is ridiculously long and that prevents any zerg sandwiches - best prepared knowing this so he had decided on a majority goon count and more than usual hts to exploit that.

it is easy for toss to lay in the pressure on this map, thus parks anti snipe. jaedongs strategy just happened to unluckily play into bests interests.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 26 2011 05:30 GMT
#4284
lol Jaedong's strategy was pretty solid, he just missed the crucial egg block that would've prevented the Zealots from reaching his sunkens.

You see in Best's first attempt at Jaedong's natural how a single egg block foiled Best from busting it. It was pretty much the exact same thing at the third, but this time Jaedong's egg block was done incorrectly, allowing Zealots to wrap around the sunkens.

Also it was rather clear Best had a better understanding of the map, since he abused the map very strongly. Like the DT kills in the beginning--should have not happened if Jaedong had it happen to him in practice before.
Writerptrk
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 26 2011 05:31 GMT
#4285
On November 26 2011 14:28 Taekwon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 14:16 Ideas wrote:
On November 26 2011 14:15 Fenrax wrote:
really good series. Baby vs. Sea best match. Close and high level. 2nd best JD vs. BeSt. Impreesive PvZ by BeSt and Jaedong 4-base play destroyed once again. Bisu dominating Jaehoon and Baby crushing Soo was worth watching, too. Would have loved to see Fanta vs. Killer though.

Thanks streamers.


its like everytime jaedong loses vs P it's because he goes for fast 4th base and just gets crushed because he has no defense. why the fuck does he keep doing this strat?

or maybe i just remember the loses way more often than the times he wins doing this...


In this instance, Jaedong overprepped for sairs.
I think he was to intent on preventing another humiliating loss similar to his match vs Bisu on match.
In his usual ZvPs he always made mutas but with T1 so focused on air superiority, he decided that he couldn't
critically balance muta and scourge so he went 100% scourge. About 60% of those scourge ended up doing nothing.
Jaedong was planning on cementing a ground advantage and was self satisfied with one sunken and one spore at both nats - the spores hurting him a lot more. the early 4th was a mistake in his other vPs because he went mutas but in this case, dong was confident that he could amass drone count fast enough for a bigger hydra army.
the mass scourge made it impossible to properly defend - even if he had defended, i think if he had stopped drone production after the initial scourge attack, he would've had enough hydras and drone count to secure an economic 4th.
Another map factor was the high ground above the natural. once dong got complacent with his air control, the high ground was the perfect strategic decision from Park.
Coach Park chose best because of how open the distance between the potential 3rd and his natural are. the long cliffs that act as an inlay to each base is ridiculously long and that prevents any zerg sandwiches - best prepared knowing this so he had decided on a majority goon count and more than usual hts to exploit that.

it is easy for toss to lay in the pressure on this map, thus parks anti snipe. jaedongs strategy just happened to unluckily play into bests interests.

he had one sunken on the 2d hatch, he had 3 sunkens and a spire on 7h, he let the zealots in on 7th due to lack of units there due to making a fuckton of scourge due to playing badly
friendbg
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria576 Posts
November 26 2011 05:31 GMT
#4286
man, killer was the choice vs best. JD should have been put up against fantasy
Why leave today's work for tomorrow, when you can do it the day after
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3511 Posts
November 26 2011 05:33 GMT
#4287
Ouch, rough start for Team 8. SKT Protoss line looking godly though! =D
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
November 26 2011 05:33 GMT
#4288
I can see it...just a few months from now.

A now, introducing the president of SK planet, to present the winner's trophy, to the manager of SK telecom T1
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 26 2011 05:34 GMT
#4289
there is no such an excuse as a bad egg block, you have only one game, no ace match.
Baby played well, or maybe its Soo's vT...
Sea played well, but Sun outplayed him, well ok with it.
Jaehoon was a waste of time, Killer should tried his skills, but again vs who? Bisu?
JD played bad. Fair score for SKT1
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4405 Posts
November 26 2011 05:34 GMT
#4290
Fuck I missed it T_T
Sucker for nostalgia
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
November 26 2011 05:35 GMT
#4291
:[
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 26 2011 05:35 GMT
#4292
On November 26 2011 14:33 Zona wrote:
I can see it...just a few months from now.

A now, introducing the president of SK planet, to present the winner's trophy, to the manager of SK telecom T1

Ah, but we need to still keep up the illusion that every other team is in charge of their own destiny!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
November 26 2011 05:35 GMT
#4293
GG SKT!
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
November 26 2011 05:36 GMT
#4294
i missed this, fuck!

how were the maps?
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
OKScottish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States217 Posts
November 26 2011 05:36 GMT
#4295
Wow that last match!
twitch.tv/OK_Scottish :: twitter.com/OKScottish :: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :: (╯°-°)╯︵ ┻━┻ :: Prime Clan <3♥<3♥
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
November 26 2011 05:37 GMT
#4296
oh yah <3 straemers!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 26 2011 05:37 GMT
#4297
Nice games overall, despite the JD and Sea's loss (weep weep), I'm somewhat angry with JD playstyle again...
But lets see next match, nice season start!
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 26 2011 05:37 GMT
#4298
On November 26 2011 14:34 letian wrote:
there is no such an excuse as a bad egg block, you have only one game, no ace match.
Baby played well, or maybe its Soo's vT...
Sea played well, but Sun outplayed him, well ok with it.
Jaehoon was a waste of time, Killer should tried his skills, but again vs who? Bisu?
JD played bad. Fair score for SKT1

it's not an excuse, it's the reason why Jaedong lost the game and that's simply how he plays the game. He walks the wire and sometimes he'll fail, but more often or not he'll pull it off fantastically, which is why we all love to watch Jaedong play.
Writerptrk
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 26 2011 05:38 GMT
#4299
On November 26 2011 14:36 Legatus Lanius wrote:
i missed this, fuck!

how were the maps?

first 2 were good, 4th also pretty nice, I didn't like the 3d
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 26 2011 05:39 GMT
#4300
On November 26 2011 14:38 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 14:36 Legatus Lanius wrote:
i missed this, fuck!

how were the maps?

first 2 were good, 4th also pretty nice, I didn't like the 3d

I think they need more time to figure it out, especially the 3rd because it looks pretty technical.
Overall I'm happy so far.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
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