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blahblahblahwhatever
Profile Joined June 2011
Armenia52 Posts
November 26 2011 21:43 GMT
#4381
On November 27 2011 06:34 kamikami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 06:26 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:
On November 27 2011 06:04 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 27 2011 05:42 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:
Jaedong's play has become a parody of itself. His entire build sounds like what you would say if you were trying to make fun of his former play style. 3RD BASE BEFORE ANY UNITS? WHY DOESN'T HE JUST TAKE A QUICK 4TH WHILE HE'S AT IT? But really, why on earth would you NOT attempt to hydra bust a FFE every single time? I bet if you have the patience to check all the games in the last couple of years where a true hydra bust (mass hydras and go for it before lair ) was attempted against an FFE it would have AT LEAST a 7/10 success rate, whereas "economic" builds seem to fail in an appalling fashion about 5/10 times against FFE.

This should be the standard response to FFE every time all day every day forever:


You don't really understand the match-up do you?


Fine, I'll actually look at all the notable zvp games in the last 3 years and compare the win rates of hydra busts and economic builds like 12 hatch into no units and quick 3rds. I'll even disregard quick 4ths because that has like a 2/10 success rate and would drag the overall econ builds' win rate down.

Unless my memory is useless I still think hydra busts will come out ahead by a long shot. I will post the results in a new thread in a couple of days.


Unless my memory is useless I still think that in order to do a proper hydra bust u must take a quick 3rd (or as u say, 12 hatch into no units and quick 3rd) lol.


I know. What I mean is:

12 hatch - no units - quick third - droning/4th and 0 aggression

vs

12 hatch - no units - a quick third and then killing the opponent with a hydra bust

Gotta go and check those games now, talk to you later.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
November 26 2011 21:59 GMT
#4382
On November 27 2011 05:42 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:
Jaedong's play has become a parody of itself. His entire build sounds like what you would say if you were trying to make fun of his former play style. 3RD BASE BEFORE ANY UNITS? WHY DOESN'T HE JUST TAKE A QUICK 4TH WHILE HE'S AT IT? But really, why on earth would you NOT attempt to hydra bust a FFE every single time? I bet if you have the patience to check all the games in the last couple of years where a true hydra bust (mass hydras and go for it before lair ) was attempted against an FFE it would have AT LEAST a 7/10 success rate, whereas "economic" builds seem to fail in an appalling fashion about 5/10 times against FFE.

This should be the standard response to FFE every time all day every day forever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cfzTeZsYojk


Um taking fast third is standard ZvP build and has been like at least 2 years.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
November 27 2011 01:59 GMT
#4383
Watching games now..... it completely boggles my mind how the crowd for BW is WORLDS APART compared to the crowd for GSL.....

BW for life? XD
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
November 27 2011 03:25 GMT
#4384
Is anyone making the thread for Team 8 vs KT? It's only 2 days away.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
November 27 2011 11:25 GMT
#4385
I thought threads going up 1 day before the event was the generally accepted way. Although with all the hype at the moment it is understandable that people want them earlier.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 27 2011 11:30 GMT
#4386
On November 27 2011 06:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 05:42 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:
Jaedong's play has become a parody of itself. His entire build sounds like what you would say if you were trying to make fun of his former play style. 3RD BASE BEFORE ANY UNITS? WHY DOESN'T HE JUST TAKE A QUICK 4TH WHILE HE'S AT IT? But really, why on earth would you NOT attempt to hydra bust a FFE every single time? I bet if you have the patience to check all the games in the last couple of years where a true hydra bust (mass hydras and go for it before lair ) was attempted against an FFE it would have AT LEAST a 7/10 success rate, whereas "economic" builds seem to fail in an appalling fashion about 5/10 times against FFE.

This should be the standard response to FFE every time all day every day forever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cfzTeZsYojk


Um taking fast third is standard ZvP build and has been like at least 2 years.

More like 6 years lol.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 12:46:03
November 27 2011 11:35 GMT
#4387
I wanted to make a separate thread for this in the general section but it seems like it'll just be a link

Winners Interview
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=121413&db=Global
Thank you OpticalShot


I like the part where Best finds out he's against JD, and his team mates are like "yeah you're screwed" even though that's not what they say haha.

Also
Bisu: There are less teams and less matches, so I probably can't match my last year's performance but I'll try to get as close as possible to that. I don't have a specific number in mind, so I'll just win every time I play. I personally think Samsung Khan will perform the best this season.

SKT vs Khan finals, that would be great

On November 27 2011 12:25 Ryo wrote:
Is anyone making the thread for Team 8 vs KT? It's only 2 days away.

I could whip one out, but I don't have access to photoshop currently, I'll have to use one of those online sites T_T so I can't make anything fancy. I'll start making one now.

Nevermind, looks like Blind is on it
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
November 27 2011 11:38 GMT
#4388
On November 27 2011 12:25 Ryo wrote:
Is anyone making the thread for Team 8 vs KT? It's only 2 days away.


there is someone.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 27 2011 11:41 GMT
#4389
On November 27 2011 06:43 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 27 2011 06:34 kamikami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 06:26 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:
On November 27 2011 06:04 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 27 2011 05:42 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:
Jaedong's play has become a parody of itself. His entire build sounds like what you would say if you were trying to make fun of his former play style. 3RD BASE BEFORE ANY UNITS? WHY DOESN'T HE JUST TAKE A QUICK 4TH WHILE HE'S AT IT? But really, why on earth would you NOT attempt to hydra bust a FFE every single time? I bet if you have the patience to check all the games in the last couple of years where a true hydra bust (mass hydras and go for it before lair ) was attempted against an FFE it would have AT LEAST a 7/10 success rate, whereas "economic" builds seem to fail in an appalling fashion about 5/10 times against FFE.

This should be the standard response to FFE every time all day every day forever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cfzTeZsYojk

You don't really understand the match-up do you?


Fine, I'll actually look at all the notable zvp games in the last 3 years and compare the win rates of hydra busts and economic builds like 12 hatch into no units and quick 3rds. I'll even disregard quick 4ths because that has like a 2/10 success rate and would drag the overall econ builds' win rate down.

Unless my memory is useless I still think hydra busts will come out ahead by a long shot. I will post the results in a new thread in a couple of days.


Unless my memory is useless I still think that in order to do a proper hydra bust u must take a quick 3rd (or as u say, 12 hatch into no units and quick 3rd) lol.


I know. What I mean is:

12 hatch - no units - quick third - droning/4th and 0 aggression

vs

12 hatch - no units - a quick third and then killing the opponent with a hydra bust

Gotta go and check those games now, talk to you later.



Uhmm, Overpool, -> double expand is the staandard build for ZvP for last season, and fast 3 base generally has been forever.. I ve idea what you are on about.

But i agree that Jaedong's probably the only Zerg still sticking with 3S5H as his staple ZvP style, most other Zergs seem to have moved away from that.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 27 2011 12:51 GMT
#4390
> Bisu: I'm not the one to comment on that, I was fielded because my coach wanted me to (laughs). In general, the maps this season aren't too favourable for Protoss.


Win game, complain about maps anyway. That's my boy.

Like I said. "QQ maps suck for Protoss" is just his secret code for, "I'm gonna shit on you all this season." :D
Writer:o
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
November 27 2011 13:23 GMT
#4391
Couldn't manage to watch the game, but sad to see Team 8 start off with a bad result
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 27 2011 17:47 GMT
#4392
Bisu said he improved his PvZ even more

wat?
Writerptrk
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
November 27 2011 17:55 GMT
#4393
On November 27 2011 21:51 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
> Bisu: I'm not the one to comment on that, I was fielded because my coach wanted me to (laughs). In general, the maps this season aren't too favourable for Protoss.


Win game, complain about maps anyway. That's my boy.

Like I said. "QQ maps suck for Protoss" is just his secret code for, "I'm gonna shit on you all this season." :D


Ah, how refreshing its is to see Bisu complain about maps. I missed it so much :-)
BachHo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States170 Posts
November 27 2011 18:07 GMT
#4394
On November 28 2011 02:55 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 21:51 Kiett wrote:
> Bisu: I'm not the one to comment on that, I was fielded because my coach wanted me to (laughs). In general, the maps this season aren't too favourable for Protoss.


Win game, complain about maps anyway. That's my boy.

Like I said. "QQ maps suck for Protoss" is just his secret code for, "I'm gonna shit on you all this season." :D


Ah, how refreshing its is to see Bisu complain about maps. I missed it so much :-)

Agreed. I love how he didn't waste any time, just calling all the maps unfavourable during a three Protoss winning interview. <3
PeggyHill
Profile Joined February 2011
1494 Posts
November 27 2011 18:28 GMT
#4395
Where can I watch these games vods?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 27 2011 18:35 GMT
#4396
On November 28 2011 02:55 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 21:51 Kiett wrote:
> Bisu: I'm not the one to comment on that, I was fielded because my coach wanted me to (laughs). In general, the maps this season aren't too favourable for Protoss.


Win game, complain about maps anyway. That's my boy.

Like I said. "QQ maps suck for Protoss" is just his secret code for, "I'm gonna shit on you all this season." :D


Ah, how refreshing its is to see Bisu complain about maps. I missed it so much :-)

Nice to see Flash complain about last season's maps too :D
Writerptrk
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 27 2011 18:36 GMT
#4397
On November 28 2011 03:28 PeggyHill wrote:
Where can I watch these games vods?

http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake#g/u

Or

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50875&currentpage=427#8641

English commentary here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=286288&currentpage=9#165
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
November 27 2011 20:01 GMT
#4398
Why don't everyone complain about maps, we can just end up playing 4v4 BGH to decide PL winner.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
November 28 2011 06:59 GMT
#4399
man.... looking at the lineup....
Team 8 should have demolished skt.
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
November 28 2011 09:51 GMT
#4400
Really disappointed with Jaedong's performance. How many times can a zerg die to a two base zealot rush before he learns?- I don't know...
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