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Eywa-
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Hyeon
Korea (South)462 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:56 Eywa- wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2012 21:31 Hyeon wrote: Also, i've been banned from TL.net so i couldn't post here. Here's the full convo log between iWL-Kiborg(iWL trusted member) and Gt.Hyeon(me) + Show Spoiler + [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:21] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): hi [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:23] Hyeon Gook Cho: Hi Kiborg [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: this is Gt.Hyeon [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: aka iccup.dayfly [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:39] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:21] Hyeon Gook Cho: reason why i try to contact you is tonight, 4hrs later there's gambit cup iWL vs Gt Also, there's UED random tournament in 3hrs. on that tour, 4 Gt players are invited ![]() and gag's invited too. I don't think Gt can play tonight. can we postpone the match? [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: I already tried to contact slavuti4 [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: but seems he's afk ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:15:27] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): Slavuti4 will be online about after 2 hours. Maybe ok, i think, we can pp our CW today on next day. [2012-02-06 오전 12:15:54] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): But wait, i answer iwl-players [2012-02-06 오전 12:16:13] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:16:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: tell me when you finish answering [2012-02-06 오전 12:32:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: o_o [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: Kiborg you there? [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: we have one player who can play on tonight's gambit cup [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: he said he's going to all-kill (rofl) [2012-02-06 오전 12:44:03] Hyeon Gook Cho: no offense. [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:01] Hyeon Gook Cho: Also, whole Gt players are not able to pass round 1. So, if that guy lose there would be back-ups [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:20] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): we agree on pp [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:24] Hyeon Gook Cho: To summerize it, LET's PLAY TONIGHT'S GAMBIT CUP [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:27] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): we can play on next week [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:38] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): but we solve when some later [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:44] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): hm) [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: well [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:53] Hyeon Gook Cho: i think we should play :3 [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: you know, on weekdays [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:05] Hyeon Gook Cho: there won't be many players [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:09] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): i think, we can only [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:31] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): maybe on wednesday [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm. [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:38] Hyeon Gook Cho: why don't we just play it? [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: only gag is invited to random tour [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:50] Hyeon Gook Cho: right? [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:55] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): yes [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:07] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): but u wanna pp today ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:14] Hyeon Gook Cho: well [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah, that's what i thought [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: but that one guy [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: told me that he can all-kill -_- [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: dunno if he really can [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: but i should respect him [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: so.. [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: i think we can play o,o [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:03] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): it's bo1 ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:11] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): he can lose from all-in ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:21] Hyeon Gook Cho: lol [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: totally.. [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: can you give me 3mins? [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:35] Hyeon Gook Cho: i should talk to him again -_- [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:39] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:28] Hyeon Gook Cho: Kiborg [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: why don't we play on weekends? [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:44] Hyeon Gook Cho: like Saturday [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:02] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): why not? maybe we can ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:05] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:10] Hyeon Gook Cho: but [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: i don't know if we can set the date [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: maybe eywa's going to. [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:26] Hyeon Gook Cho: So if we can set the date [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:40] Hyeon Gook Cho: Why don't we play on 11th Feb, 2012? [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:46] Hyeon Gook Cho: on 2000 CET? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:23] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): can we answer about date and time maybe tomorow? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:26] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:32] Hyeon Gook Cho: so you agree the PP? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:38] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): YES [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:40] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:45] Hyeon Gook Cho: SWEET! [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:54] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): u can say to Eywa [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:56] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): about pp [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: nope ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:19] Hyeon Gook Cho: i was banned for two days [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:23] Hyeon Gook Cho: i can't send pm [2012-02-06 오전 1:03:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: you sent pm? [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:20] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok, but later [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: mkay. [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:44] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: i should go to bed [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: it's 1am here :3 [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:02] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:07] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): good night [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:08] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks! [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:10] Hyeon Gook Cho: c ya! I'm not blaming Kiborg, but i also should have contacted you with skype or w/e. My fault too. Also, here's log between Slavuti4 and Hyeon. + Show Spoiler + [2012-02-06 오전 2:58:11] Slava slavuti4: yo [2012-02-06 오전 9:56:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: hello slav [2012-02-06 오전 9:56:28] Hyeon Gook Cho: you there? [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:22] Slava slavuti4: yo [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: hi [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:27] Slava slavuti4: i just went bed [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: oh, sorry [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:35] Slava slavuti4: ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:37] Slava slavuti4: about cw [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:40] Slava slavuti4: Eywa [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: but i have to talk this now [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:42] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: we were supposed to postpone the game [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:01] Slava slavuti4: yea [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:03] Hyeon Gook Cho: weren't we? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:13] Hyeon Gook Cho: but why did they play it? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: eywa didnt allow us to postpone? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:36] Slava slavuti4: Eywa asked me at 19:30 cet why we not in chanel [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:44] Slava slavuti4: i told him about pp [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:55] Slava slavuti4: but he said nobody told him [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:00] Slava slavuti4: and teams cant do such things [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:01] Hyeon Gook Cho: :O [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:06] Slava slavuti4: so he forced us to play [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:10] Slava slavuti4: he brought Sneazel [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:16] Slava slavuti4: and he played with Trutacz [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: you mean teams cant decide to postpone? [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:18] Slava slavuti4: o_O [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:21] Slava slavuti4: not my faul [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:25] Hyeon Gook Cho: even if there's agreement? [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:27] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:30] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:32] Hyeon Gook Cho: lol [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:35] Slava slavuti4: Eywa is a boss [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: no way. [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:36] Slava slavuti4: so [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:53] Hyeon Gook Cho: kiborg told me that he's going to pm to eyea [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: eywa but seems he didnt [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:02] Slava slavuti4: eywa was offline [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:04] Slava slavuti4: all day [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:09] Slava slavuti4: i wanted either [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:09] Hyeon Gook Cho: tl.net pm [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: anyway i should have sent pm [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:20] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: not your team's fault [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: im not pushing you [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:35] Slava slavuti4: i just came in 1 hour before cw [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:43] Slava slavuti4: and KIBORG said itis ooed [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:43] Hyeon Gook Cho: but reason why im pissed is [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:45] Slava slavuti4: pped [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:54] Slava slavuti4: so i relaxed [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: rule says if there's agreement [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:07] Hyeon Gook Cho: we can postpone [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:13] Slava slavuti4: dunno [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:13] Slava slavuti4: o_O [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: So, what i'm asking to you is [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:23] Slava slavuti4: ye [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:40] Hyeon Gook Cho: if eywa allows, can we re-match? [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:46] Slava slavuti4: sure [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:51] Slava slavuti4: but score 2-1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:52] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay, thanks. [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:55] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:55] Slava slavuti4: kk [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: start from 2-1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:05] Slava slavuti4: np [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:08] Hyeon Gook Cho: i mean iwl2 gt1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:09] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:20] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:24] Slava slavuti4: cu [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:27] Slava slavuti4: gn ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:30] Hyeon Gook Cho: bye! According to the PP rules, 5) Rules Concerning PP matches - There will be no PP matches unless scheduled a minimum of 24 hours beforehand with Eywa-. - The league commissioner reserves the right to allow and/or deny any PP match applications. - Late applications for a PP match will be handled only if the opposition agrees. We(kiborg/hyeon) made agreement 3hrs before CW starts, so it still is activated. Also we agreed to play from 2(iWL) - 1(Gt) on this. Can we continue playing on this SAT 2000CET? EDIT : mobile error :< Did you ignore the rule just above the one you put in bold? I have never allowed the relocation of an entire clan war so no, Gt loses 4-1. The fact that you didn't even run it by me means you knew you were doing something incorrect but you expect that "oh if I don't tell Eywa- he'll be forced to apply it." Okay, first of all, I know it's my fault that i didn't contact you. My bad. But 3games have already been played. So it's not i'm asking postpone whole Match now. Can we go on the rest match from 1-2? The rule which i made bold, it only applies to SPL style(still weird for me the pp rule in that style), doesn't it? We can't set pp match in SWL style, like before CW starts i say "it will be 2-3 and let's make it postponed." If you are not going to allow us to play rest of the matches, at least make the reasonable PP rules which can also be applied to SWL style just like what you made with BM rules. | ||
Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On February 08 2012 16:46 Hyeon wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 02:56 Eywa- wrote: On February 07 2012 21:31 Hyeon wrote: Also, i've been banned from TL.net so i couldn't post here. Here's the full convo log between iWL-Kiborg(iWL trusted member) and Gt.Hyeon(me) + Show Spoiler + [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:21] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): hi [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:23] Hyeon Gook Cho: Hi Kiborg [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: this is Gt.Hyeon [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: aka iccup.dayfly [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:39] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:21] Hyeon Gook Cho: reason why i try to contact you is tonight, 4hrs later there's gambit cup iWL vs Gt Also, there's UED random tournament in 3hrs. on that tour, 4 Gt players are invited ![]() and gag's invited too. I don't think Gt can play tonight. can we postpone the match? [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: I already tried to contact slavuti4 [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: but seems he's afk ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:15:27] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): Slavuti4 will be online about after 2 hours. Maybe ok, i think, we can pp our CW today on next day. [2012-02-06 오전 12:15:54] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): But wait, i answer iwl-players [2012-02-06 오전 12:16:13] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:16:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: tell me when you finish answering [2012-02-06 오전 12:32:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: o_o [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: Kiborg you there? [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: we have one player who can play on tonight's gambit cup [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: he said he's going to all-kill (rofl) [2012-02-06 오전 12:44:03] Hyeon Gook Cho: no offense. [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:01] Hyeon Gook Cho: Also, whole Gt players are not able to pass round 1. So, if that guy lose there would be back-ups [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:20] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): we agree on pp [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:24] Hyeon Gook Cho: To summerize it, LET's PLAY TONIGHT'S GAMBIT CUP [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:27] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): we can play on next week [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:38] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): but we solve when some later [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:44] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): hm) [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: well [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:53] Hyeon Gook Cho: i think we should play :3 [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: you know, on weekdays [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:05] Hyeon Gook Cho: there won't be many players [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:09] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): i think, we can only [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:31] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): maybe on wednesday [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm. [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:38] Hyeon Gook Cho: why don't we just play it? [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: only gag is invited to random tour [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:50] Hyeon Gook Cho: right? [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:55] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): yes [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:07] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): but u wanna pp today ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:14] Hyeon Gook Cho: well [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah, that's what i thought [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: but that one guy [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: told me that he can all-kill -_- [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: dunno if he really can [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: but i should respect him [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: so.. [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: i think we can play o,o [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:03] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): it's bo1 ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:11] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): he can lose from all-in ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:21] Hyeon Gook Cho: lol [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: totally.. [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: can you give me 3mins? [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:35] Hyeon Gook Cho: i should talk to him again -_- [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:39] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:28] Hyeon Gook Cho: Kiborg [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: why don't we play on weekends? [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:44] Hyeon Gook Cho: like Saturday [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:02] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): why not? maybe we can ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:05] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:10] Hyeon Gook Cho: but [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: i don't know if we can set the date [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: maybe eywa's going to. [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:26] Hyeon Gook Cho: So if we can set the date [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:40] Hyeon Gook Cho: Why don't we play on 11th Feb, 2012? [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:46] Hyeon Gook Cho: on 2000 CET? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:23] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): can we answer about date and time maybe tomorow? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:26] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:32] Hyeon Gook Cho: so you agree the PP? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:38] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): YES [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:40] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:45] Hyeon Gook Cho: SWEET! [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:54] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): u can say to Eywa [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:56] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): about pp [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: nope ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:19] Hyeon Gook Cho: i was banned for two days [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:23] Hyeon Gook Cho: i can't send pm [2012-02-06 오전 1:03:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: you sent pm? [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:20] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok, but later [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: mkay. [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:44] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: i should go to bed [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: it's 1am here :3 [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:02] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:07] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): good night [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:08] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks! [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:10] Hyeon Gook Cho: c ya! I'm not blaming Kiborg, but i also should have contacted you with skype or w/e. My fault too. Also, here's log between Slavuti4 and Hyeon. + Show Spoiler + [2012-02-06 오전 2:58:11] Slava slavuti4: yo [2012-02-06 오전 9:56:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: hello slav [2012-02-06 오전 9:56:28] Hyeon Gook Cho: you there? [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:22] Slava slavuti4: yo [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: hi [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:27] Slava slavuti4: i just went bed [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: oh, sorry [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:35] Slava slavuti4: ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:37] Slava slavuti4: about cw [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:40] Slava slavuti4: Eywa [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: but i have to talk this now [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:42] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: we were supposed to postpone the game [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:01] Slava slavuti4: yea [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:03] Hyeon Gook Cho: weren't we? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:13] Hyeon Gook Cho: but why did they play it? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: eywa didnt allow us to postpone? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:36] Slava slavuti4: Eywa asked me at 19:30 cet why we not in chanel [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:44] Slava slavuti4: i told him about pp [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:55] Slava slavuti4: but he said nobody told him [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:00] Slava slavuti4: and teams cant do such things [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:01] Hyeon Gook Cho: :O [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:06] Slava slavuti4: so he forced us to play [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:10] Slava slavuti4: he brought Sneazel [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:16] Slava slavuti4: and he played with Trutacz [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: you mean teams cant decide to postpone? [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:18] Slava slavuti4: o_O [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:21] Slava slavuti4: not my faul [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:25] Hyeon Gook Cho: even if there's agreement? [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:27] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:30] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:32] Hyeon Gook Cho: lol [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:35] Slava slavuti4: Eywa is a boss [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: no way. [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:36] Slava slavuti4: so [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:53] Hyeon Gook Cho: kiborg told me that he's going to pm to eyea [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: eywa but seems he didnt [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:02] Slava slavuti4: eywa was offline [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:04] Slava slavuti4: all day [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:09] Slava slavuti4: i wanted either [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:09] Hyeon Gook Cho: tl.net pm [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: anyway i should have sent pm [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:20] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: not your team's fault [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: im not pushing you [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:35] Slava slavuti4: i just came in 1 hour before cw [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:43] Slava slavuti4: and KIBORG said itis ooed [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:43] Hyeon Gook Cho: but reason why im pissed is [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:45] Slava slavuti4: pped [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:54] Slava slavuti4: so i relaxed [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: rule says if there's agreement [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:07] Hyeon Gook Cho: we can postpone [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:13] Slava slavuti4: dunno [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:13] Slava slavuti4: o_O [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: So, what i'm asking to you is [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:23] Slava slavuti4: ye [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:40] Hyeon Gook Cho: if eywa allows, can we re-match? [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:46] Slava slavuti4: sure [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:51] Slava slavuti4: but score 2-1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:52] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay, thanks. [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:55] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:55] Slava slavuti4: kk [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: start from 2-1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:05] Slava slavuti4: np [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:08] Hyeon Gook Cho: i mean iwl2 gt1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:09] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:20] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:24] Slava slavuti4: cu [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:27] Slava slavuti4: gn ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:30] Hyeon Gook Cho: bye! According to the PP rules, 5) Rules Concerning PP matches - There will be no PP matches unless scheduled a minimum of 24 hours beforehand with Eywa-. - The league commissioner reserves the right to allow and/or deny any PP match applications. - Late applications for a PP match will be handled only if the opposition agrees. We(kiborg/hyeon) made agreement 3hrs before CW starts, so it still is activated. Also we agreed to play from 2(iWL) - 1(Gt) on this. Can we continue playing on this SAT 2000CET? EDIT : mobile error :< Did you ignore the rule just above the one you put in bold? I have never allowed the relocation of an entire clan war so no, Gt loses 4-1. The fact that you didn't even run it by me means you knew you were doing something incorrect but you expect that "oh if I don't tell Eywa- he'll be forced to apply it." Okay, first of all, I know it's my fault that i didn't contact you. My bad. But 3games have already been played. So it's not i'm asking postpone whole Match now. Can we go on the rest match from 1-2? The rule which i made bold, it only applies to SPL style(still weird for me the pp rule in that style), doesn't it? We can't set pp match in SWL style, like before CW starts i say "it will be 2-3 and let's make it postponed." If you are not going to allow us to play rest of the matches, at least make the reasonable PP rules which can also be applied to SWL style just like what you made with BM rules. There's nothing to be done about PP in SWL style, quite frankly, it's impossible, however being as you need 2 less players to complete a full line up and I wouldn't allow more than 1 or 2 PPs previously, I really don't see the issue. The score of Gt vs iwL is final, done, over. 4-1, you would have had enough players had you not told them it was postponed in the first place. Only one of your players ended up having the random tour prevent them from playing... | ||
Hyeon
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On February 08 2012 17:23 Eywa- wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 16:46 Hyeon wrote: On February 08 2012 02:56 Eywa- wrote: On February 07 2012 21:31 Hyeon wrote: Also, i've been banned from TL.net so i couldn't post here. Here's the full convo log between iWL-Kiborg(iWL trusted member) and Gt.Hyeon(me) + Show Spoiler + [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:21] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): hi [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:23] Hyeon Gook Cho: Hi Kiborg [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: this is Gt.Hyeon [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: aka iccup.dayfly [2012-02-06 오전 12:12:39] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:21] Hyeon Gook Cho: reason why i try to contact you is tonight, 4hrs later there's gambit cup iWL vs Gt Also, there's UED random tournament in 3hrs. on that tour, 4 Gt players are invited ![]() and gag's invited too. I don't think Gt can play tonight. can we postpone the match? [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: I already tried to contact slavuti4 [2012-02-06 오전 12:13:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: but seems he's afk ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:15:27] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): Slavuti4 will be online about after 2 hours. Maybe ok, i think, we can pp our CW today on next day. [2012-02-06 오전 12:15:54] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): But wait, i answer iwl-players [2012-02-06 오전 12:16:13] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:16:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: tell me when you finish answering [2012-02-06 오전 12:32:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: o_o [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: Kiborg you there? [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: we have one player who can play on tonight's gambit cup [2012-02-06 오전 12:43:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: he said he's going to all-kill (rofl) [2012-02-06 오전 12:44:03] Hyeon Gook Cho: no offense. [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:01] Hyeon Gook Cho: Also, whole Gt players are not able to pass round 1. So, if that guy lose there would be back-ups [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:20] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): we agree on pp [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:24] Hyeon Gook Cho: To summerize it, LET's PLAY TONIGHT'S GAMBIT CUP [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:27] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): we can play on next week [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:38] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): but we solve when some later [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:44] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): hm) [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: well [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:53] Hyeon Gook Cho: i think we should play :3 [2012-02-06 오전 12:45:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: you know, on weekdays [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:05] Hyeon Gook Cho: there won't be many players [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:09] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): i think, we can only [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:31] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): maybe on wednesday [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm. [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:38] Hyeon Gook Cho: why don't we just play it? [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: only gag is invited to random tour [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:50] Hyeon Gook Cho: right? [2012-02-06 오전 12:46:55] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): yes [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:07] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): but u wanna pp today ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:14] Hyeon Gook Cho: well [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah, that's what i thought [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: but that one guy [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: told me that he can all-kill -_- [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: dunno if he really can [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: but i should respect him [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: so.. [2012-02-06 오전 12:47:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: i think we can play o,o [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:03] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): it's bo1 ) [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:11] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): he can lose from all-in ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:21] Hyeon Gook Cho: lol [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: totally.. [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:31] Hyeon Gook Cho: can you give me 3mins? [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:35] Hyeon Gook Cho: i should talk to him again -_- [2012-02-06 오전 12:48:39] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:28] Hyeon Gook Cho: Kiborg [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:34] Hyeon Gook Cho: why don't we play on weekends? [2012-02-06 오전 12:52:44] Hyeon Gook Cho: like Saturday [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:02] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): why not? maybe we can ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:05] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:10] Hyeon Gook Cho: but [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: i don't know if we can set the date [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: maybe eywa's going to. [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:26] Hyeon Gook Cho: So if we can set the date [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:40] Hyeon Gook Cho: Why don't we play on 11th Feb, 2012? [2012-02-06 오전 12:53:46] Hyeon Gook Cho: on 2000 CET? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:23] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): can we answer about date and time maybe tomorow? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:26] Hyeon Gook Cho: hm [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:32] Hyeon Gook Cho: so you agree the PP? [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:38] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): YES [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:40] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:45] Hyeon Gook Cho: SWEET! [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:54] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): u can say to Eywa [2012-02-06 오전 12:56:56] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): about pp [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: nope ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:19] Hyeon Gook Cho: i was banned for two days [2012-02-06 오전 12:57:23] Hyeon Gook Cho: i can't send pm [2012-02-06 오전 1:03:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: you sent pm? [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:20] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok, but later [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: mkay. [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:44] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:47] Hyeon Gook Cho: i should go to bed [2012-02-06 오전 1:05:49] Hyeon Gook Cho: it's 1am here :3 [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:02] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): ok [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:07] Dima(iP.SRKIBORG): good night [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:08] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks! [2012-02-06 오전 1:06:10] Hyeon Gook Cho: c ya! I'm not blaming Kiborg, but i also should have contacted you with skype or w/e. My fault too. Also, here's log between Slavuti4 and Hyeon. + Show Spoiler + [2012-02-06 오전 2:58:11] Slava slavuti4: yo [2012-02-06 오전 9:56:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: hello slav [2012-02-06 오전 9:56:28] Hyeon Gook Cho: you there? [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:22] Slava slavuti4: yo [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:27] Hyeon Gook Cho: hi [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:27] Slava slavuti4: i just went bed [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: oh, sorry [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:35] Slava slavuti4: ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:37] Slava slavuti4: about cw [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:40] Slava slavuti4: Eywa [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:41] Hyeon Gook Cho: but i have to talk this now [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:42] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah [2012-02-06 오전 9:57:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: we were supposed to postpone the game [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:01] Slava slavuti4: yea [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:03] Hyeon Gook Cho: weren't we? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:13] Hyeon Gook Cho: but why did they play it? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: eywa didnt allow us to postpone? [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:36] Slava slavuti4: Eywa asked me at 19:30 cet why we not in chanel [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:44] Slava slavuti4: i told him about pp [2012-02-06 오전 9:58:55] Slava slavuti4: but he said nobody told him [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:00] Slava slavuti4: and teams cant do such things [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:01] Hyeon Gook Cho: :O [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:06] Slava slavuti4: so he forced us to play [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:10] Slava slavuti4: he brought Sneazel [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:16] Slava slavuti4: and he played with Trutacz [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: you mean teams cant decide to postpone? [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:18] Slava slavuti4: o_O [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:21] Slava slavuti4: not my faul [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:25] Hyeon Gook Cho: even if there's agreement? [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:27] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:30] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:32] Hyeon Gook Cho: lol [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:35] Slava slavuti4: Eywa is a boss [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:36] Hyeon Gook Cho: no way. [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:36] Slava slavuti4: so [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:53] Hyeon Gook Cho: kiborg told me that he's going to pm to eyea [2012-02-06 오전 9:59:59] Hyeon Gook Cho: eywa but seems he didnt [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:02] Slava slavuti4: eywa was offline [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:04] Slava slavuti4: all day [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:09] Slava slavuti4: i wanted either [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:09] Hyeon Gook Cho: tl.net pm [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:16] Hyeon Gook Cho: anyway i should have sent pm [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:20] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:22] Hyeon Gook Cho: not your team's fault [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:33] Hyeon Gook Cho: im not pushing you [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:35] Slava slavuti4: i just came in 1 hour before cw [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:43] Slava slavuti4: and KIBORG said itis ooed [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:43] Hyeon Gook Cho: but reason why im pissed is [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:45] Slava slavuti4: pped [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:54] Slava slavuti4: so i relaxed [2012-02-06 오전 10:00:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: rule says if there's agreement [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:07] Hyeon Gook Cho: we can postpone [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:13] Slava slavuti4: dunno [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:13] Slava slavuti4: o_O [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:18] Hyeon Gook Cho: So, what i'm asking to you is [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:23] Slava slavuti4: ye [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:40] Hyeon Gook Cho: if eywa allows, can we re-match? [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:46] Slava slavuti4: sure [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:51] Slava slavuti4: but score 2-1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:52] Hyeon Gook Cho: okay, thanks. [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:55] Hyeon Gook Cho: yeah [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:55] Slava slavuti4: kk [2012-02-06 오전 10:01:58] Hyeon Gook Cho: start from 2-1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:05] Slava slavuti4: np [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:08] Hyeon Gook Cho: i mean iwl2 gt1 [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:09] Slava slavuti4: y [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:20] Hyeon Gook Cho: thanks ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:24] Slava slavuti4: cu [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:27] Slava slavuti4: gn ![]() [2012-02-06 오전 10:02:30] Hyeon Gook Cho: bye! According to the PP rules, 5) Rules Concerning PP matches - There will be no PP matches unless scheduled a minimum of 24 hours beforehand with Eywa-. - The league commissioner reserves the right to allow and/or deny any PP match applications. - Late applications for a PP match will be handled only if the opposition agrees. We(kiborg/hyeon) made agreement 3hrs before CW starts, so it still is activated. Also we agreed to play from 2(iWL) - 1(Gt) on this. Can we continue playing on this SAT 2000CET? EDIT : mobile error :< Did you ignore the rule just above the one you put in bold? I have never allowed the relocation of an entire clan war so no, Gt loses 4-1. The fact that you didn't even run it by me means you knew you were doing something incorrect but you expect that "oh if I don't tell Eywa- he'll be forced to apply it." Okay, first of all, I know it's my fault that i didn't contact you. My bad. But 3games have already been played. So it's not i'm asking postpone whole Match now. Can we go on the rest match from 1-2? The rule which i made bold, it only applies to SPL style(still weird for me the pp rule in that style), doesn't it? We can't set pp match in SWL style, like before CW starts i say "it will be 2-3 and let's make it postponed." If you are not going to allow us to play rest of the matches, at least make the reasonable PP rules which can also be applied to SWL style just like what you made with BM rules. There's nothing to be done about PP in SWL style, quite frankly, it's impossible, however being as you need 2 less players to complete a full line up and I wouldn't allow more than 1 or 2 PPs previously, I really don't see the issue. The score of Gt vs iwL is final, done, over. 4-1, you would have had enough players had you not told them it was postponed in the first place. Only one of your players ended up having the random tour prevent them from playing... Yeah, it's your Gambit cup, so i'll just drop it. But here's what you should know. 1. I talked to trutacz that we should postpone. We(trut/me) had agreed but you called and forced Sneazel/Trutacz to play. You didn't know we(Gt/iWL) had agreed, so it's okay you to force them to play. 2. Who can know only three of our players ended up the random tour early? That's why i asked to postpone. Thank you for considering my rule suggestions. GL eywa. EDIT: is this being ignored or what? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280333¤tpage=28#553 | ||
Tarmak_mk
Macedonia410 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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dsaqwe.
Croatia274 Posts
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Tarmak_mk
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dsaqwe.
Croatia274 Posts
but not only sziky, ace was in that tour and dinot not here, sky not here, me / kashu / kidcanada inactive...................... | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6499 Posts
If you want to talk about bm actions I suggest you look at those shown by LocDog on several games vs iFU not only did he accuse my player of cheating and flame him in front of many on stream, but while playing alfio, he stallled out his game for which my player asked him to leave locdogs actions have now been turned back on my team.which is a joke. and take eye on this. locdog stay on the game not for bad gg timing.just for save time. and this is not fair.imo this get punish too.he also confirm in the rep | ||
iFU_AlfiO
Italy5 Posts
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iFU_AlfiO
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iFU_AlfiO
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iFU.ZerGgBoY
Russian Federation62 Posts
![]() BTW LocDog bmed and flamed alfio first! u can see it in replay... and no actions for this ? i know lrm)pig and u eywa dont like us! but atleast try to be fair! | ||
iFU.ZerGgBoY
Russian Federation62 Posts
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Arkqn
France589 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
2) eOnzErG, LocDog's chat was in some language I don't understand... I don't even know what he was saying. 3) ZerGgBoY, LocDog tells me the same thing, it's not about who I like and who I don't it's about making a fair judgement. 4) It's nearly impossible to moderate stalling a game and bad GG timing, though I agree with LocDog's case, it was obviously stalling, however... There is no rule against it, it's the first time it's ever happened. If it becomes a real problem you will see it dealt with. 5) AlfiO, all of your posts got nuked before I could check them out, so... I'll just go with the assumption that they were nice comments and avoid further implications with the rules... 6) This case is closed, you can leave more comments if you like, but they will not be responded to unless they are bm in which case you will be subject to rule application. | ||
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