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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 26 2011 13:02 GMT
#1281
On August 26 2011 22:02 phosphorylation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 22:01 Motivate wrote:
omg jangbi looks so much like baby it's scary

no he doesnt silly

sure he does
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
August 26 2011 13:02 GMT
#1282
WTF JANGBI PROBES
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 26 2011 13:02 GMT
#1283
On August 26 2011 21:59 gngfn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 21:51 o[twist] wrote:
On August 26 2011 21:48 gngfn wrote:
On August 26 2011 21:47 Fenrax wrote:
That is not a logical reason. Players would just strictly not do such a maneuver. 100% not, it would never happen. Whenever you pause there is an investigation and the risk is too high. If they get caught lying they will get banned and the reward for pausing is almost non-existant.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure Effort pulled almost exactly the same shenanigan and it won him an OSL.

You don't wait for players to abuse something and ruin a match or a set before making a rule. They tried that with chatting, and we all know how that ended.


effort's stupid-ass crap in korean air wasn't objectionable because he paused without hitting pp. it would have been idiotic even if he had hit pp. the problem was that he got a regame for playing starcraft poorly.

the rule could literally be "Except in cases of complete fucking parallel mirror fucking builds in a mirror matchup, disqualify a player if they pause by hitting 'Pause'. But if the builds are completely the fucking same and both players have done the same god damn thing, just replay the fucking match because it is absolutely even." even that rule would have led to them replaying it.

I brought up Effort because Fenrax claimed that players "would just strictly not do such a maneuver" despite the fact that Effort did something far more shady and almost as risky. Boxer possibly abused chatting to mindgame his opponent into losing. Smart players take the advantages they're given.

Your modification is totally unnecessary given that a pause DQ is 100% avoidable and still ignores the fact that a pause can disrupt a player's timing or rhythm regardless of his build order. Instead of making the rule complex or giving Kespa more discretion, which has been a disaster in the past, it's best to keep it straightforward like it is now and accept the problems that arise once a year or so when someone is dumb enough to violate it.

Also, to the guy who asked about chatting: In a game many years ago, a chat exchange between Boxer and his opponent convinced the other guy that Boxer was in a different starting position than the one he was actually in. The other guy lost. IIRC it wasn't conclusively because of the chatting, but it was decided that chat mindgames weren't a desirable part of pro SC, so it was banned.


the point is that they could simply replay the game because they had not had any variation or engagement yet. of course the modification is "unnecessary" - it's just desirable because what happened today was stupid and it's happened a lot. it's a sign that the sport is unserious. imagine if football were like this. "twelve men on the field, you're disqualified. sorry, looks like you won't be making it to the playoffs." the argument that kespa should make absolute rules that always lead to bad consequences (when has somebody *ever* been disqualified for pausing *during a battle*?) because them having discretion might sometimes lead to bad consequences is silly too. the worse bad things that happen the better.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 26 2011 13:02 GMT
#1284
lol jangbi's probes.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 26 2011 13:02 GMT
#1285
I have only seen Stork play on this map,but that was a PvZ and it was a horrible game.Hope it gives better PvTs
Cackle™
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8053 Posts
August 26 2011 13:02 GMT
#1286
silly probes
can't find the minerals
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#1287
On August 26 2011 21:59 o[twist] wrote:
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On August 26 2011 21:57 KamMoye wrote:
yeah, flash's pre-game routine is annoying. status abuse imo. imagine if some rookie held up every game he played doing that ish.


if that rookie won 6 starleagues and dominated bw for several years he could punch me in the face as part of his routine if he wanted


then the question is how long has flash been doing this?
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#1288
Dancing probe party :D
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#1289
lol probe transfer fail
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#1290
On August 26 2011 22:01 ZeromuS wrote:
some guy mentioned SC2 I said I love both equally and you need to enjoy different aspects of the games - banned from nanashins chat channel for 10 minutes XD

Anyway:

From my understanding Flash is a Monster. But who is Jangbi? Just some dude whos good but nowhere near Flash's level? Or is he just bad in general (when comparing him to other current BW progamers)?

Jangbi used to be one of the absolutely best players in the world back in like 09 but has been in a long slump ever since and only recently began playing like a boss again. Pretty hard to say just how good he is at the moment to be honest.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#1291
On August 26 2011 22:03 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 21:59 o[twist] wrote:
On August 26 2011 21:57 KamMoye wrote:
yeah, flash's pre-game routine is annoying. status abuse imo. imagine if some rookie held up every game he played doing that ish.


if that rookie won 6 starleagues and dominated bw for several years he could punch me in the face as part of his routine if he wanted


then the question is how long has flash been doing this?


punching me in the face? ever since valentine's day a few years back
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#1292
On August 26 2011 22:01 ZeromuS wrote:
some guy mentioned SC2 I said I love both equally and you need to enjoy different aspects of the games - banned from nanashins chat channel for 10 minutes XD

Anyway:

From my understanding Flash is a Monster. But who is Jangbi? Just some dude whos good but nowhere near Flash's level? Or is he just bad in general (when comparing him to other current BW progamers)?

Jangbi is a complicated case. At one point he probably was the best player in the world, he has the highest PvT elo peak.
On the other hand, he had a horrible slump until very recently, and he only got silvers, so his nerve ain't his strength.
He's talented.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#1293
lol Flash is using god powers to fuck with jangbi's probes.
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Klaca
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
318 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#1294
On August 26 2011 22:01 ZeromuS wrote:
some guy mentioned SC2 I said I love both equally and you need to enjoy different aspects of the games - banned from nanashins chat channel for 10 minutes XD

Anyway:

From my understanding Flash is a Monster. But who is Jangbi? Just some dude whos good but nowhere near Flash's level? Or is he just bad in general (when comparing him to other current BW progamers)?

uhh jangbi has one of the highest elo peaks... when he is bangin, he is damn strong
Tommie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
China658 Posts
August 26 2011 13:04 GMT
#1295
Flash: vultures, tanks, eventually science vessels and some goliaths too.
Jangbi. Dragoon/zealot, with templar and eventually arbiters and maybe a reaver too.
Being a ho doesn't automatically make you "immoral" or a bad person, but it does make you a ho.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8053 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 13:04:20
August 26 2011 13:04 GMT
#1296
pathfinder for probes
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
August 26 2011 13:04 GMT
#1297
stuck probes haha
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 26 2011 13:04 GMT
#1298
more retarded probes.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
August 26 2011 13:04 GMT
#1299
the probes still stuck lolololol
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
August 26 2011 13:04 GMT
#1300
probes freaking out at jangbi's main
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