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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
March 10 2011 09:58 GMT
#341
step away for a moment, and come back to see yet another SKT zerg lose their 12 hatch in a ZvZ.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
March 10 2011 09:58 GMT
#342
On March 10 2011 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:56 kuroshiroi wrote:
Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?

I think it was 12h (soo) vs 12p (killer)

I can swear that I saw both 12 hatch.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Ubersturmfuhrer
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland206 Posts
March 10 2011 09:58 GMT
#343
gooo minidongggg! So it's a rematch Grape vs Killer? :o There will be blood.
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
March 10 2011 09:58 GMT
#344
On March 10 2011 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:56 kuroshiroi wrote:
Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?

I think it was 12h (soo) vs 12p (killer)

lolwut, soo must've made some terrible mistakes then
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Sasquatch
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada126 Posts
March 10 2011 09:59 GMT
#345
Ah, the joys of democracy:

Poll: Would you recommend the losers' match?

No (11)
 
79%

Yes (3)
 
21%

Watch if you have time (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend the losers' match?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Watch if you have time


JESUS CHRIST ITS A LION GET IN THE CAR
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 10 2011 10:00 GMT
#346
On March 10 2011 18:57 a7choi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
People say Light sucks against Toss but he's always been alright when he gets to do his big macro thing. I mean not good enough to be a great macro TvPer like Really or something, but atleast moderately competent.

He is by no means a consistently good TvPer, but he has a wheelhouse that he can hit where he can snake completely solid wins with very few mistakes.

true but really's tvp is horrible. lol

It's not horrible...have you ever seen his games?
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
March 10 2011 10:00 GMT
#347
On March 10 2011 18:58 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:56 kuroshiroi wrote:
Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?

I think it was 12h (soo) vs 12p (killer)

I can swear that I saw both 12 hatch.


It was definitely 12pool 11 gas from killer.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 10:02:11
March 10 2011 10:01 GMT
#348
On March 10 2011 18:58 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:56 kuroshiroi wrote:
Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?

I think it was 12h (soo) vs 12p (killer)

lolwut, soo must've made some terrible mistakes then

If you call moving out with inferior zergling count with lair first against speed first (after speed was done for both sides ofc) instead of waiting for mutas a terrible mistake, you're dead on.

On March 10 2011 19:00 hellbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:58 Djagulingu wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:56 kuroshiroi wrote:
Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?

I think it was 12h (soo) vs 12p (killer)

I can swear that I saw both 12 hatch.


It was definitely 12pool 11 gas from killer.

My bad then.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
March 10 2011 10:02 GMT
#349
open this thread and saw Light win against Grape = I'm happy :D ( even though I'm scared when saw he meet Grape (P) since his TvP is not good).

Congrats Light :D

Learn,live and love it.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
March 10 2011 10:02 GMT
#350
On March 10 2011 19:00 Amnesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:57 a7choi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
People say Light sucks against Toss but he's always been alright when he gets to do his big macro thing. I mean not good enough to be a great macro TvPer like Really or something, but atleast moderately competent.

He is by no means a consistently good TvPer, but he has a wheelhouse that he can hit where he can snake completely solid wins with very few mistakes.

true but really's tvp is horrible. lol

It's not horrible...have you ever seen his games?


I feel like Light and Really are great at playing standard but fall apart too easily to pressure. Really showed some pretty good non-standard play with optic flare once but other than that those two are the most predictable A-team terrans (and both on the same team now)
a7choi
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1664 Posts
March 10 2011 10:03 GMT
#351
On March 10 2011 19:00 Amnesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:57 a7choi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
People say Light sucks against Toss but he's always been alright when he gets to do his big macro thing. I mean not good enough to be a great macro TvPer like Really or something, but atleast moderately competent.

He is by no means a consistently good TvPer, but he has a wheelhouse that he can hit where he can snake completely solid wins with very few mistakes.

true but really's tvp is horrible. lol

It's not horrible...have you ever seen his games?

yes.. and i honestly can't remember the last time he's beaten a protoss... his tvp record in proleague is horrendous.. i just feel like he doesn't know what to do in tvp's. i think he's still a really great player but tvp is one of his weaker matchups
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
March 10 2011 10:03 GMT
#352
On March 10 2011 19:01 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:58 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:56 kuroshiroi wrote:
Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?

I think it was 12h (soo) vs 12p (killer)

lolwut, soo must've made some terrible mistakes then

If you call moving out with inferior zergling count with lair first against speed first (after speed was done ofc) instead of waiting for mutas a terrible mistake, you're dead on.

Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 19:00 hellbound wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:58 Djagulingu wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:56 kuroshiroi wrote:
Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?

I think it was 12h (soo) vs 12p (killer)

I can swear that I saw both 12 hatch.


It was definitely 12pool 11 gas from killer.

My bad then.


He checked the ling count before moving out, problem was killer was hiding 8-10 lings. He probably expected Killer to have a faster spire, what he didn't know was that Killer took 2 drones off gas after speed and his spire was actually slower, mindgames.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
March 10 2011 10:05 GMT
#353
On March 10 2011 19:03 hellbound wrote:

He checked the ling count before moving out, problem was killer was hiding 8-10 lings. He probably expected Killer to have a faster spire, what he didn't know was that Killer took 2 drones off gas after speed and his spire was actually slower, mindgames.


seemed extremely similar to the s2/zero game from proleague the other day, except this time it was the skt player getting rolled.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
March 10 2011 10:06 GMT
#354
Grape 5
Killer 11
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
March 10 2011 10:07 GMT
#355
Here we go, Killer vs. Grape: Part 2.

Killer at top left, Grape at bottom right.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
March 10 2011 10:07 GMT
#356
Killer vs Grape rematch and the commentators ally Grape. What a traitorous bunch!
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
March 10 2011 10:09 GMT
#357
overpool? from killer

hides drone behind minline at nat so scouting probe doesn't see it before taking it

forge-nexus for grape
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
March 10 2011 10:09 GMT
#358
Killer hides his natural drone, almost tricked Grape into missing his location.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
March 10 2011 10:09 GMT
#359
On March 10 2011 19:05 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 19:03 hellbound wrote:

He checked the ling count before moving out, problem was killer was hiding 8-10 lings. He probably expected Killer to have a faster spire, what he didn't know was that Killer took 2 drones off gas after speed and his spire was actually slower, mindgames.


seemed extremely similar to the s2/zero game from proleague the other day, except this time it was the skt player getting rolled.


Yeah it did. The standard play seems to be the 12pooler betting on his faster spire and getting a sunken at his nat to defend before mutas, while the 12 hatter uses his faster second hat to try and outmuscle him with lings. So yeah that was smart play. Let's see if he can redeem his ZvP in the rematch.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
March 10 2011 10:10 GMT
#360
killer taking third at 1 natural

grape with two cannons, should be totally safe, core starting
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
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