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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
March 10 2011 09:50 GMT
#321
On March 10 2011 18:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:44 Ryo wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:41 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:40 Ryo wrote:
You guys are too influenced by his performance against Perfectman.

Good job Light

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=109&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

Light is hardly what you'd call a good or even decent TvPer. If that changes, he'll be a very formidable player.

Notice that there are wins over Free, Kal, Best, Brave and Bisu in there. Not that he's a good TvPer but if he really needs to, he can get the job done.

Let's do elo then: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed_elo.php?section=korean&race=T#tblt-4745-1-8-DESC
He's the third worst TvPer, only beating Piano (who's about to transfer to Ace) and Major by a few points. He's (on average) terrible at TvP and a few decent wins does not change that.

Only cause Casy retired, or he'd be 4th worst
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
March 10 2011 09:51 GMT
#322
On March 10 2011 18:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
People say Light sucks against Toss but he's always been alright when he gets to do his big macro thing. I mean not good enough to be a great macro TvPer like Really or something, but atleast moderately competent.

He is by no means a consistently good TvPer, but he has a wheelhouse that he can hit where he can snake completely solid wins with very few mistakes.

Yup. My point exactly.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
March 10 2011 09:51 GMT
#323
On March 10 2011 18:49 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:44 Ryo wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:41 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:40 Ryo wrote:
You guys are too influenced by his performance against Perfectman.

Good job Light

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=109&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

Light is hardly what you'd call a good or even decent TvPer. If that changes, he'll be a very formidable player.

Notice that there are wins over Free, Kal, Best, Brave and Bisu in there. Not that he's a good TvPer but if he really needs to, he can get the job done.

Let's do elo then: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed_elo.php?section=korean&race=T#tblt-4745-1-8-DESC
He's the third worst TvPer, only beating Piano (who's about to transfer to Ace) and Major by a few points. He's (on average) terrible at TvP and a few decent wins does not change that.

Because numbers mean everything. That's right.

you play for the wins, hence the numbers. If you don't win, what is your ability to brag about?
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
March 10 2011 09:53 GMT
#324
On March 10 2011 18:51 chisuri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:49 Ryo wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:44 Ryo wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:41 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:40 Ryo wrote:
You guys are too influenced by his performance against Perfectman.

Good job Light

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=109&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

Light is hardly what you'd call a good or even decent TvPer. If that changes, he'll be a very formidable player.

Notice that there are wins over Free, Kal, Best, Brave and Bisu in there. Not that he's a good TvPer but if he really needs to, he can get the job done.

Let's do elo then: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed_elo.php?section=korean&race=T#tblt-4745-1-8-DESC
He's the third worst TvPer, only beating Piano (who's about to transfer to Ace) and Major by a few points. He's (on average) terrible at TvP and a few decent wins does not change that.

Because numbers mean everything. That's right.

you play for the wins, hence the numbers. If you don't win, what is your ability to brag about?

His TvP is nothing to brag about. I never said it was good, just that he can get things done when he really needs to.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 09:54:48
March 10 2011 09:53 GMT
#325
On March 10 2011 18:51 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
People say Light sucks against Toss but he's always been alright when he gets to do his big macro thing. I mean not good enough to be a great macro TvPer like Really or something, but atleast moderately competent.

He is by no means a consistently good TvPer, but he has a wheelhouse that he can hit where he can snake completely solid wins with very few mistakes.

Yup. My point exactly.


I don't agree with your dismissal of numbers, it is painfully obvious that Light is straight bad at TvP by purely looking at the numbers, but he could be much worse if he didn't win sometimes, and the way he wins can beat anyone on a good day. It's kind of like Stork's PvZ.

When he wins he looks more competent in TvP than he is, when his style does not work on many maps and if he's forced to do anything that isn't a "sit back on 3 base and attack with 2-1 and hope the protoss doesn't execute an excellent push break" he'll probably lose. It's why he fucking blows against carriers, because the precludes that he didn't win with some 200/200 push.
Remember Violet.
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
March 10 2011 09:53 GMT
#326
On March 10 2011 18:53 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:51 chisuri wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:49 Ryo wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:44 Ryo wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:41 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:40 Ryo wrote:
You guys are too influenced by his performance against Perfectman.

Good job Light

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=109&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

Light is hardly what you'd call a good or even decent TvPer. If that changes, he'll be a very formidable player.

Notice that there are wins over Free, Kal, Best, Brave and Bisu in there. Not that he's a good TvPer but if he really needs to, he can get the job done.

Let's do elo then: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed_elo.php?section=korean&race=T#tblt-4745-1-8-DESC
He's the third worst TvPer, only beating Piano (who's about to transfer to Ace) and Major by a few points. He's (on average) terrible at TvP and a few decent wins does not change that.

Because numbers mean everything. That's right.

you play for the wins, hence the numbers. If you don't win, what is your ability to brag about?

His TvP is nothing to brag about. I never said it was good, just that he can get things done when he really needs to.

and what is that time? When his opponent plays as terrible as Grape does?
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 10 2011 09:55 GMT
#327
On March 10 2011 18:53 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 18:51 chisuri wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:49 Ryo wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:44 Ryo wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:41 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 10 2011 18:40 Ryo wrote:
You guys are too influenced by his performance against Perfectman.

Good job Light

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=109&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

Light is hardly what you'd call a good or even decent TvPer. If that changes, he'll be a very formidable player.

Notice that there are wins over Free, Kal, Best, Brave and Bisu in there. Not that he's a good TvPer but if he really needs to, he can get the job done.

Let's do elo then: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed_elo.php?section=korean&race=T#tblt-4745-1-8-DESC
He's the third worst TvPer, only beating Piano (who's about to transfer to Ace) and Major by a few points. He's (on average) terrible at TvP and a few decent wins does not change that.

Because numbers mean everything. That's right.

you play for the wins, hence the numbers. If you don't win, what is your ability to brag about?

His TvP is nothing to brag about. I never said it was good, just that he can get things done when he really needs to.

agreed, people bash on Light's TvP more than they need to.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
March 10 2011 09:55 GMT
#328
Speed first from Killer, Lair first from soO. Nobody is LR'ing a ZvZ i guess.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
March 10 2011 09:56 GMT
#329
Light has a very low ELO and a 35% winrate since the start of 2010, there's nothing else to talk about here. By your argument, Perfectman must be great at PvP because he defeated Horang2 once. Flukes happen, consistent results require something else.

It's just really weird how bad he is at TvP when his other two matchups are S-class.

Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?
Fly Jaedong, fly!
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
March 10 2011 09:56 GMT
#330
Killer with huge lead after superior ling numbers take out many drones
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#331
soO tries to move out, Killer's superior zergling count runs over him, kills some drones, snipes natural hatchery.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 09:57:27
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#332
ok, soo has lost his natural, looks over

edit - is over
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
a7choi
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1664 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#333
On March 10 2011 18:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
People say Light sucks against Toss but he's always been alright when he gets to do his big macro thing. I mean not good enough to be a great macro TvPer like Really or something, but atleast moderately competent.

He is by no means a consistently good TvPer, but he has a wheelhouse that he can hit where he can snake completely solid wins with very few mistakes.

true but really's tvp is horrible. lol
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#334
On March 10 2011 18:56 kuroshiroi wrote:
Anyway, on to ZvZ. Did anybody catch builds?

I think it was 12h (soo) vs 12p (killer)
brood war for life, brood war forever
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#335
soo gg's
brood war for life, brood war forever
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#336
soo's nat goes down to lings, mutas about to pop but he seems to be dead
gg
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#337
yep. that's soo far ya
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#338
Killer is about to win I believe, sniped the hatch.

And soo ggs. Next up, Grape vs. Killer rematch.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#339
soO ggs after losing almost everything.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
March 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#340
12pool overruns 12 hat with lings.... something you don't see every day.
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