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dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 15:01:23
February 16 2011 15:00 GMT
#761
Close but no cigar my boys. Jaedong, come back to us! It's great to see HiyA stepping it up good with consistency though, even if it wasn't enough just this time. Hwaseung hwaiting!
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
February 16 2011 15:50 GMT
#762
Recommended games? did any sets get a 4 or 5? I open up the thing and i see 7 games of empty boxes, like he used a symbol i don't have the font for.

I see a few of Bisu, please let one of them be awesome!
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 15:57:36
February 16 2011 15:57 GMT
#763
On February 17 2011 00:50 SaetZero wrote:
Recommended games? did any sets get a 4 or 5? I open up the thing and i see 7 games of empty boxes, like he used a symbol i don't have the font for.

I see a few of Bisu, please let one of them be awesome!


He recommended set 5 and 6. Both got 5's.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
February 16 2011 16:00 GMT
#764
On February 17 2011 00:57 Noxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 00:50 SaetZero wrote:
Recommended games? did any sets get a 4 or 5? I open up the thing and i see 7 games of empty boxes, like he used a symbol i don't have the font for.

I see a few of Bisu, please let one of them be awesome!


He recommended set 5 and 6. Both got 5's.


Thank you!!
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
February 16 2011 18:02 GMT
#765
hmmm

+ Show Spoiler [result spoil] +
good job on stoppin that AK hiya... but picking up the win woulda been nice too...

also... dong.... : [
just here
malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
February 16 2011 18:08 GMT
#766
bisu seemed like he got overconfident to go carriers

should of just stuck to gateway units an found that timing window when hiya expanded to his fourth

to get his 4th all kill

oh well
least he let hit teammates get some wins lol
dumchu
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 20:46:38
February 16 2011 20:45 GMT
#767
On February 16 2011 23:30 GinDo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 20:46 dukethegold wrote:
On February 16 2011 20:43 Kinky wrote:
Does (P)Bisu EVER win when he goes carriers? He's not (P)Stork.


I know he won against (Z)Jaedong using carriers before.

I don't recall a single time that (P)Bisu won against Terran using carrier though.



(P)Bisu goes Arbiter= GG

(P)Bisu goes Carrier is the equivalent of (P)BeSt's Corsairs.(exageration, but you get it)

Now that i think about it when was the last time you saw a toss win with Carriers


Just about any recent stork game i remember where he gets to them aside from that one in the osl finals. And then it wasn't really the carriers, more the fact that his nat had become his opponents base by the time they did anything.
ESV Mapmaking!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 16 2011 23:15 GMT
#768
Bisu just didn't have enough gateway units. He had excellent storms, but not enough templar.

He threw away some gas on DTs and he always seems to have trouble with mines and observers. He loses way more observers than, for example, Stork. He also has poorer Arbiter/Carrier control.

Honestly though, I don't think he lost because of the carrier switch. I think he lost because he didn't use enough gateway units.

Also, does anyone know why Protoss players don't reaver harass Terrans more? I feel like Bisu could win a lot if he treats his PvT more like the way he plays PvP. Lately he hasn't been excelling in either matchup, but his harass in PvP is excellent. His reaver and shuttle control are also phenomenal, so I dunno why he doesn't incorporate that instead of the perpetually boring 2/3 base arbiter/carrier builds.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
February 17 2011 00:41 GMT
#769
That's probably because Reavers are hit and miss. If you are a good player, you can dodge it most of the time. Storm drops are safer, more or less.

but I agree, Bisu shouldn't use Carriers live. He NEVER does well with them. Don't throw away an obvious AK by being over-confident.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 17 2011 02:04 GMT
#770
On February 17 2011 09:41 Seraphic wrote:
That's probably because Reavers are hit and miss. If you are a good player, you can dodge it most of the time. Storm drops are safer, more or less.

but I agree, Bisu shouldn't use Carriers live. He NEVER does well with them. Don't throw away an obvious AK by being over-confident.


Right, but he didn't storm drop either.

Plus, reavers are a pretty good addition to your normal army that takes minimal micro in PvT (compared to storms or arbiters). I'm sure you can whittle down vulture numbers pretty handily just by having a reaver around.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
February 17 2011 03:37 GMT
#771
Wow.
Jaedong just dropped the 2300 club. Now we only have Bisu and Flash 2300'ing.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
February 17 2011 03:55 GMT
#772
Can people stop just saying "lol Bisu goes carriers he loses build more gateway units"?

Bisu had like equal bases with Hiya, did nothing to Hiya's economy, and only got off one good stasis and at a time when he couldn't use it.

He played the game far too passive, and that's what's always been wrong with his PvT you ask me. I will admit that carriers played into this by giving him a window where he couldn't do jack, but I would seriously claim that if he doesn't go carriers there he loses even quicker.
The original Bogus fan.
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 04:43:40
February 17 2011 04:35 GMT
#773
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 17 2011 04:44 GMT
#774
On February 17 2011 12:55 Turbovolver wrote:
Can people stop just saying "lol Bisu goes carriers he loses build more gateway units"?

Bisu had like equal bases with Hiya, did nothing to Hiya's economy, and only got off one good stasis and at a time when he couldn't use it.

He played the game far too passive, and that's what's always been wrong with his PvT you ask me. I will admit that carriers played into this by giving him a window where he couldn't do jack, but I would seriously claim that if he doesn't go carriers there he loses even quicker.


I didn't say he shouldn't have gone carriers. He should have just made more gateway units.

When you go carriers you're forced into passivity for a while. He wasn't even on bases because Hiya was constantly fighting on his side of the map, constantly disrupting mining in at least one of his bases at a time.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 05:49:38
February 17 2011 05:48 GMT
#775
lol that's ironic actually. Before, Bisu's PvT was bad because he throws away his units vs Siege lines. Now, he is too passive and he's losing.

Honestly when he was winning all of his PvT early this year, he was smart AND aggressive. He sort of needs to stay that way in my opinion. His style has always been timed attack, and making openings for himself. If he keeps playing smart, sticks to his style of play, Bisu will be just fine.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
February 17 2011 06:02 GMT
#776
On February 17 2011 12:37 Lightwip wrote:
Wow.
Jaedong just dropped the 2300 club. Now we only have Bisu and Flash 2300'ing.

He'll be back.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Ubersturmfuhrer
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland206 Posts
February 17 2011 13:33 GMT
#777
On February 17 2011 15:02 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 12:37 Lightwip wrote:
Wow.
Jaedong just dropped the 2300 club. Now we only have Bisu and Flash 2300'ing.

He'll be back.


I sure hope he will. Sometimes he looks so old and drained. Then again, he's like a year younger than Bisu so he should still have ample time to have a new prime.
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger
Fishmalk
Profile Joined November 2010
74 Posts
February 17 2011 21:11 GMT
#778
Jaedong is going to retire soon.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
February 17 2011 21:22 GMT
#779
On February 18 2011 06:11 Fishmalk wrote:
Jaedong is going to retire soon.


go away
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
February 17 2011 22:38 GMT
#780
Jaedong hasn't done this bad for at least 2 years.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
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