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legaton
France1763 Posts
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tryummm
774 Posts
On March 06 2011 05:52 legaton wrote: Joekim v/s Cute, you have to see it. Joekim should be punished for his lack of manners...especially when he knew the game was being streamed live and commentated. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + BigPio vs sOte TTF vs vOddy JoeKim vs Playa More has been added to the bottom of the OP including the ISL Ladder ScreenShots, and the results from Groups 1-5. | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On March 06 2011 06:28 tryummm wrote: Joekim should be punished for his lack of manners...especially when he knew the game was being streamed live and commentated. why is everyone taking it so seriously? it was pretty damn jokes | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
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Terrorterran
Peru256 Posts
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On March 06 2011 07:38 FyRe_DragOn wrote: because money was on the line, and joekim could have disqualified some legit contestants with his cheating if he didnt fail at interpreting what was cast. youre only accusing him of cheating. you dont know if he actually cheated. from my perspective, it looked like about a C- level protoss. he saw 8 lings so he added 2 canons at front door, letting the pylon finish (expo block). it just looked like really really terrible play, nothing more. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On March 06 2011 07:47 foppa wrote: youre only accusing him of cheating. you dont know if he actually cheated. from my perspective, it looked like about a C- level protoss. he saw 8 lings so he added 2 canons at front door, letting the pylon finish (expo block). it just looked like really really terrible play, nothing more. read god's comment in the other thread... it was a bit more suspicious than that. The robo started was a bit random and the most suspicious part was starting two cannons near his main nexus like that. | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On March 06 2011 07:52 Shauni wrote: read god's comment in the other thread... it was a bit more suspicious than that. The robo started was a bit random and the most suspicious part was starting two cannons near his main nexus like that. i did and i watched the game. he opened citadel without a stargate. those canons would have matched muta timing since he needed something to defend his main from that possibility. all those canons werent exactly well placed for a drop. maybe the game plan was defend possibility of muta and hydra through canons in main and reaver defending hydra bust. he has no skill whatsoever with p is what i saw. accusing someone of cheating is not someone you should be doing. you might be accusing an innocent. innocent until proven guilty right? | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
The replays ISL staff is missing from Brackets 1-5 that NEED to be sent to iCCup.NoOne: + Show Spoiler + BigPio vs sOte TTF vs vOddy JoeKim vs Playa ADDED TO THE OP: The Group Stage / Round of 32 Rules The ScreenShots of the Ladder Qualifications The Map Pool The Group Stage Brackets The Four Invites The Results from Groups 1-5 ISL VOD Channels | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On March 06 2011 07:57 foppa wrote: i did and i watched the game. he opened citadel without a stargate. those canons would have matched muta timing since he needed something to defend his main from that possibility. all those canons werent exactly well placed for a drop. maybe the game plan was defend possibility of muta and hydra through canons in main and reaver defending hydra bust. he has no skill whatsoever with p is what i saw. accusing someone of cheating is not someone you should be doing. you might be accusing an innocent. innocent until proven guilty right? I didn't say he was guilty, I'm just saying it was suspicious. I don't have the replay so I don't want to go in-depth on this and I generally believe that people can be intuitive and sense things without cheating. The whole MistrZZZ hacking thing for example was very evident of this. But in this case, I just think his general movement added up as a reaction to listening to the stream. It was very clear to me, and most other protoss players watching the cast. He opened citadel without a stargate why? He didn't fear mutas, generally it's a suicidal build. Sure you could argue that it's low level and wah-wah but I doubt you'd normally risk it in an elimination if you're not doing a quick push. But he didn't push out, he decided to stay in-base after they talked about lurkers and zerg low econ. He didn't scout anything. The 2 cannons were not against mutas, that's for sure. They were on the outside of the nexus, mutas would have been able to stay at the edge of the mineral line without them hitting plus disabling the gas. You can only put cannons like that against mutas if you have a few sairs for support. And you do not normally robo after citadel. His build was definitely not something planned beforehand because it'd make no sense whatsoever if you only had his vision. I don't understand why you're lecturing me about PvZ when you're some random C player, and even more I don't understand the reasoning behind defending joekim, trying to act morally just... | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On March 06 2011 08:15 Shauni wrote: I didn't say he was guilty, I'm just saying it was suspicious. I don't have the replay so I don't want to go in-depth on this. I just think his general movement added up as a reaction to listening to the stream. He opened citadel without a stargate why? He didn't fear mutas, generally it's a suicidal build. Sure you could argue that it's low level and wah-wah but I doubt you'd normally risk it in an elimination. He was going to push out but decided to stay in-base after they talked about lurkers. He didn't scout anything. The 2 cannons were not against mutas, that's for sure. They were on the outside of the nexus, mutas would have been able to stay at the edge of the mineral line without them hitting plus disabling the gas. You can only put cannons like that against mutas if you have a few sairs for support. And you do not normally robo after citadel. His build was definitely not something planned beforehand because it'd make no sense whatsoever if you only had his vision. I don't understand why you're lecturing me about PvZ when you're some random C player, and even more I don't understand the reasoning behind defending joekim, trying to act morally just... I was B high last season -_- i just dont want someones reputation to get ruined because of accusation. "you do not normally robo after citadel" --> you normally dont let a pylon block finish vs overpool. --> you normally don't go up to 3 canons in the front when you scout 8 lings. --> you usually don't not make a stargate. --> you usually don't open with just a citadel and no templar tech with 2 gases with no +1 weapons with just 1 gateway. my point being the entire opening by joekim was terrible. doesn't mean he cheated, just means he's bad. as for citadel openings being suicide: no they are timing attacks. meant to do damage and then youre suppose to defend the counter muta is usually how it plays out.. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On March 06 2011 08:30 Shauni wrote: I know that they are timing attacks. A few years ago, almost every foreigner game would be 2, 3 or 4 gate zeal into archon without sairs because even top foreign zergs didn't have the muta micro to deal with it properly. That wasn't what he was doing though. It didn't even resemble it. A D- player could have executed a pure timing push before mutas better. You're completely blind if you think that was what he was aiming for all the time. Joekim might not be a top foreigner, but he definitely knew what he did that game, even though it proved useless in the end. until official announcement comes that he was listening to the stream, i am closing my eyes. so yes you're pretty dead on with that post ^^ | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
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JoeKim
United States608 Posts
Cheesy Game 1: http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=41020&name=ISL-Stimquick vs ISL-Cute.rep | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
Also, no one cares about your ladder game vs cute. Theres nothing wrong with using a certain playstyle, one that you yourself are even reputed to use regularly. Try not to act like a 13yr old when you lose, and im sure less people would be jumping to associate you with other contemptible behavior. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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JoeKim
United States608 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + the extent of my BM: "fucking cheap ass" "i rape you during Ladder stage and you cheese me all of ISL group stage" since you're unaware, let me enlighten your ignorance with some facts. i picked my Group, Cute was my first pick because i outclassed him the last time we played. i was stubborn and went PvZ because that's the matchup i rolled him on. he would not beat me ZvZ, especially since he definitely does not have better muta control than i do. even after the first loss on Colosseum, a handful of people told me to ZvZ him, but my pride made me pick P in the last 3 seconds. another note since your exuberant absence in the mind region seems to get the best of you, i used to co-cast with Sayle quite often as well as being casted by him. lashing out at opponents and not typing "gg" has nothing to do with age nor maturity. pointing out facts just shows honesty, and that is what was initiated during today's cast. you're probably the same guy as the ItsJust[PaiN] tool that kept messaging me during that game. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
does anyone have this and can give it to me, this link no longer works ;_; | ||
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