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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 03 2011 00:25 GMT
#741
fantasy's tvz is really good, he is just prone to making mistakes that lose him games against players he should be rolling over. he beat jaedong pretty consistently relative to how other terrans perform.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
February 03 2011 02:31 GMT
#742
Hydra looks impressive but i notice something. He's hardly played any ZvT at all. This will be a real test. How many zergs have we had that look good against P but not T?
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
February 03 2011 04:35 GMT
#743
On February 03 2011 11:31 infinity2k9 wrote:
Hydra looks impressive but i notice something. He's hardly played any ZvT at all. This will be a real test. How many zergs have we had that look good against P but not T?

Better question:

How many zergs have we had that look good against T?
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 05:28:14
February 03 2011 05:25 GMT
#744
On February 03 2011 13:35 King K. Rool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 11:31 infinity2k9 wrote:
Hydra looks impressive but i notice something. He's hardly played any ZvT at all. This will be a real test. How many zergs have we had that look good against P but not T?

Better question:

How many zergs have we had that look good against T?
Savior, GGplay, Yarnc, Jaedong
On February 03 2011 09:25 oneofthem wrote:
fantasy's tvz is really good, he is just prone to making mistakes that lose him games against players he should be rolling over. he beat jaedong pretty consistently relative to how other terrans perform.
No he does not.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 08:07:30
February 03 2011 07:38 GMT
#745
jaedong vs fantasy 8 : 7 53.3%
jaedong vs all terrans 179: 105 63.0%
jaedong vs terrans except fantasy 171 : 98 63.6%
jaedong vs terrans except fantasy & flash 151: 75 66.8%

pretty easily shown

fantasy flash and light are the top 3 tvz's
for reference,
jaedong vs flash 20 : 23 46.5%
jaedong vs light 12: 10 54.5%

the matchup with jaedong is significant because it is exceedingly rare to find a terran who can contend with a mechanical monster like jaedong, especially over long games. anyone who can do decent vs jaedong must have very strong tvz fundamentals.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
February 05 2011 19:56 GMT
#746
On February 03 2011 16:38 oneofthem wrote:anyone who can do decent vs jaedong must have very strong tvz fundamentals.


I doubt his TvZ "fundamentals" are stronger than that of, say, Sea or ForGG (I miss him ). He just happens to meet Jaedong a lot in individual leagues (or Proleague finals/Ace match), which he is able to prepare amply for--and Fantasy's strength is in his preparation.

If you watched his series vs. Calm, you can probably see some of his... lack... of TvZ fundamentals. Or you could watch how he got pwned by Soulkey multiple times.
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TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
February 06 2011 18:21 GMT
#747
Fantasy's great because of his unorthodox play in series. He has odd builds which are his specialty in winning games (prime example: OSL Finals.) He has some decent TVZ fundamentals. They're not exactly very strong.
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