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On December 25 2010 19:59 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2010 19:56 _Quasar_ wrote:On December 25 2010 19:55 PoP wrote:
This is over.
Suiciding that first M&M group to the sunkens was a HUGE mistake, pretty sure he could've broken through had he waited for the reinforcements. and for SK's lurkers / even more sunks -__- He wasn't making any more sunkens. There would've been 2-3 lurkers and maybe a few more lings yeah, but 15ish M&M easily > that in my book.
Don't forget SK's muta ball, that can definitely add the DPS required to defend. Although had Fantasy's reinforcements showed up, SK's lurkers would have been done, and Lurkers+sunkens+lings+mutas can (I think) hold off a much larger force than what Fantasy would've had.
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5. Plague murdered terran forces? check 
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On December 25 2010 20:02 darktreb wrote:
Wow Fantasy what the hell?
He absolutely could have won this game had he played in any non brain-dead way. I'm not even a Fantasy fan but it's always interesting to see him play BoX's, and to see him go out like this is just infuriating. It's games like this that show why he'll never be better than Flash, ugh. What happened to doing a mech transition during the 15 minutes where he was on Soulkey's side of the map? At least secure the other main?
And in the Triathlon game, never taking a third base (including his own back natural, sure Soulkey had Guardians but Fanta had two Starports and even some Turrets would buy enough time to get Vessels or Wraiths over at any point...) as if there was a chance in the world he could break 4 base Lurker/Guardian with two base SK Terran?
Just absolutely atrocious, stubborn play by Fantasy. It's as if someone bet him he couldn't get out of this group playing only SK Terran.
Kind of have to agree there. Last game especially he could have easily won by throwing up some factories at his new base in bottom left and just pump out some vulture/tank. With mech he can easily secure both main and natural there from unless Soulkey totally commits to taking it out. Instead he just tried to force his way in with MM while not defending his new bases. Very dissapointing 
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On December 25 2010 20:05 hitthat wrote:5. Plague murdered terran forces? check
Which begs the question of WTF fantasy was doing with all his SVs the entire game. Dude could've probably erasered the entire drone population due to SK squeezing his gas for almost the entire game. And instead they couldn't even do their job of getting rid of all the defilers on the map.
Fantasy used his mnm force like freaking mech. That is, he gather up a huge force and just attack. It was textbook example of how NOT to play mnm.
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On December 25 2010 20:10 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2010 20:05 hitthat wrote:5. Plague murdered terran forces? check Which begs the question of WTF fantasy was doing with all his SVs the entire game. Dude could've probably erasered the entire drone population
I bet that wouldn't work vs Soulkey. =\
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On December 25 2010 20:05 rainei wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2010 19:59 PoP wrote:On December 25 2010 19:56 _Quasar_ wrote:On December 25 2010 19:55 PoP wrote:
This is over.
Suiciding that first M&M group to the sunkens was a HUGE mistake, pretty sure he could've broken through had he waited for the reinforcements. and for SK's lurkers / even more sunks -__- He wasn't making any more sunkens. There would've been 2-3 lurkers and maybe a few more lings yeah, but 15ish M&M easily > that in my book. Don't forget SK's muta ball, that can definitely add the DPS required to defend. Although had Fantasy's reinforcements showed up, SK's lurkers would have been done, and Lurkers+sunkens+lings+mutas can (I think) hold off a much larger force than what Fantasy would've had.
Maybe. Still, suiciding your first M&M group is never a good option. Merging the two forces is exactly what I feel like someone like Flash would do, regardless of whether he would attack with them or just retreat/deny other expos.
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sk's plagues won him the game
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On December 25 2010 20:19 PoP wrote:
Maybe. Still, suiciding your first M&M group is never a good option. Merging the two forces is exactly what I feel like someone like Flash would do, regardless of whether he would attack with them or just retreat/deny other expos.
Yes, just a few seconds more, and the two balls would have merged. It didn't seem like sk could have done anything if that had happened.
Still, Neo.G_Bonjwa FIGHTING!
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damn it truly is swarm season! still hoping a Toss wins everything though!
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no idea if someone said it already but ur predictions were best XD u gave all good match ups but 5 times u got wrong with winner xD
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it would be lol if with all these number of zergs in OSL-MSL Stork won them both
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On December 25 2010 20:19 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2010 20:05 rainei wrote:On December 25 2010 19:59 PoP wrote:On December 25 2010 19:56 _Quasar_ wrote:On December 25 2010 19:55 PoP wrote:
This is over.
Suiciding that first M&M group to the sunkens was a HUGE mistake, pretty sure he could've broken through had he waited for the reinforcements. and for SK's lurkers / even more sunks -__- He wasn't making any more sunkens. There would've been 2-3 lurkers and maybe a few more lings yeah, but 15ish M&M easily > that in my book. Don't forget SK's muta ball, that can definitely add the DPS required to defend. Although had Fantasy's reinforcements showed up, SK's lurkers would have been done, and Lurkers+sunkens+lings+mutas can (I think) hold off a much larger force than what Fantasy would've had. Maybe. Still, suiciding your first M&M group is never a good option. Merging the two forces is exactly what I feel like someone like Flash would do, regardless of whether he would attack with them or just retreat/deny other expos.
I think you're overweighting Fantasy's suiciding his first M&M group. While that was bad, it doesn't mean that T is irreversibly behind from that point on. In spite of that terrible decision, the following still happened:
- Fantasy killed Soulkey's third before it really got going causing Soulkey to hit Hive with 2 base
- Fantasy killed Soulkey's fourth as it just went up (when Soulkey took a 3rd and 4th base simultaneously) thus delaying his four gas explosion by a long time
- It was 4 base versus 4 base for a significant period of time, yeah one of Fantasy's bases was min-only but that's good enough in TvZ
- Fantasy was literally parked all across Soulkey's side of the map for like 15 minutes and Soulkey barely crossed the halfway point of the map until like the 25 or 30 minute mark
- Soulkey forgot Adrenal Glands for essentially the entire game
Each of these things is a great thing for T in TvZ, and I would consider almost all of them to be as significant of a "bad thing" for Z as Fantasy's initial failed Sunken break was a bad thing for T. Usually a failed Sunken break results in Zerg taking a 3rd and maybe even a 4th with no problems and/or wreaking havoc in the Terran main with Mutas, but neither of those things happened in this game.
While it's true Fantasy could probably have ended the game had he executed the break properly, it doesn't mean that he was extremely behind after that point, and indeed was actually way ahead for probably the entire midgame but just kept doing just enough dumb things constantly (literally we're talking about just brain dead things that are really really bad by pro standards) to let Soulkey hang in there. How long did he have to secure the other main/natural? How many chances did he have to get some Vultures and Mines, or Tanks? How many times did he suicide a bajillion infantry trying to use D-Matrixed Firebats to break through Swarms?
Fact is, Fantasy was way ahead for most of this game, and if you'd put any other above average Terran in his position from basically the point where he killed Soulkey's third till the moment when Soulkey took down Fantasy's other main, they would have won. If you'd put Fantasy on any other day in that position he would have won. It was a really bad day/game by Fantasy....
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i like how the predictions are the EXACT opposite of what happened 
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Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea, Leta all out of this MSL.
Swarm season indeed.
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Fanta should concentrate on OSL now to save this season from bigger upsets from Zergs.
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what is going onnnnnnnnnn >_<;
why are all these weird ppl winning >_<;
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Interesting MSL definitely looking forward to the final! HYPE HYPE HYPE!!
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On December 25 2010 22:35 Hazard wrote:
Fanta should concentrate on OSL now to save this season from bigger upsets from Zergs.
Hyuk 3-0 Fanta incoming. You've heard it first.
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On December 25 2010 21:59 Ryo wrote:
Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea, Leta all out of this MSL.
Swarm season indeed.
you got ssak and classic though, for the lols
fantasy out, i'm lovin it.
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