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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/49LF1.png) Banner dedicated to Ryo. What an outstanding chap.
Tuesday, December 14th 2010, 18:00 KST, Channel MBCGame
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(unplayed games will be given random description to avoid spoilers).
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] + How could I describe this game best? I'd say at some point in the game, both players completely lost interest, but one player was ahead enough to win. Was it good? Not really.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] + Sick, Sick harassment.  Watch it.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] + One player fails to multitask, the other player fails to micro. Who wins? Better just check the result section. No.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] + Either major fury or amusement and joy, depends on what side you are on.  If you are undecided, probably yes.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +A TvT with some extraordinary tech choices, and intense moments. Yes.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +Alright PvZ.. I'd watch it again for the midgame harassment.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +I'm just going to assume that this game was a fluke. This shouldn't really happen so easily in an Ace Match. No.
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Poll: Who are you cheering for?I'm just hoping for good games. (12) 48% MBCGame HERO (9) 36% WeMade FOX (4) 16% Both! Decision making is for suckers! (0) 0% 25 total votes Your vote: Who are you cheering for? (Vote): MBCGame HERO
(Vote): WeMade FOX
(Vote): I'm just hoping for good games.
(Vote): Both! Decision making is for suckers!
Poll: Who will win?MBCGame HERO (10) 43% WeMade FOX (8) 35% I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button. (5) 22% 23 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): MBCGame HERO
(Vote): WeMade FOX
(Vote): I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button.
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Cool stuff.
In all honesty I have no idea what to expect. Maybe I'll stay up till 5 AM to find out even though I have finals in a few days.
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Looking for some epic TvT's, and Mind losing (for my FPL). Go MBC!
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MBC Fighting! <3
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Im liking MBC and their BMs recently gonna be rooting for them this time round
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Hmm, I thought I would be late to watch this game, but luckily enough(in a way) I failed a 2 gate and just got killed in 5 minutes.
Oh well, hoping for something cool, although terrans seldom create awesome.
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On December 14 2010 17:58 Jubinell wrote:
khan game is when??
1.5 hours.
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Oh, and in case someone wants to do the other thread, here's another banner!
+ Show Spoiler +
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Love the "invisible terran." Beyond that though, I don't like either team, so I probably won’t stay up for this. Midas, bring me FPL glory please.
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hoping for good games and no tvst mirrors
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I guess we'll just have to use plu for now.
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On December 14 2010 18:01 Lightwip wrote:
I guess we'll just have to use plu for now.
Fedor left us? 
EDIT: Thankfully, he didn't. Lots of thanks, Fedor!
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http://1.plu.cn/
you need internet explorer and one of the addons listed under the player, I suggest QQlive
EDIT: nvm, you guys should probably head to fedor
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On December 14 2010 18:03 DracoVolantus wrote:
plu?
For future reference, 1.plu.cn always has one of the games commentated live in Chinese. You just need a PPLive or QQlive plugin.
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On December 14 2010 17:59 mustaju wrote:Oh, and in case someone wants to do the other thread, here's another banner! + Show Spoiler +
kick ass banner! I'll do it
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On December 14 2010 18:05 Lightwip wrote:For future reference, 1.plu.cn always has one of the games commentated live in Chinese. You just need a PPLive or QQlive plugin.
UUS is the best choice
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On December 14 2010 18:08 structuralinertia wrote:kick ass banner! I'll do it
Glad you like it. ^^
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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Wow, poor wall - marine created outside the wall - nearly allows ling counter to break through. A drone and zerglings once again heading out to pick some off. Chased though.
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oh my god.. that Terran could qualify as F Class in Best Looking Progamer Rankig
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and somehow the lurker gets away too
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swarm pops in time and the hatch is saved
being morphed into a lair right now to heal it
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he suddenly has a lot of lurkers
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THE AIR BATTLE IS AMAZING IN THIS GAME ALRITE
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major has an early 3rd
wonder if hyun is taking this into account
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5 lurkers run into marines and just die
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hyun's 4th shut down
at this rate, he's just going to be overrun by mass mm
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and now hyun has free reign to kill all of major's depots.....
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ultras coming out
hyun putting up another 4th
still waiting for him to be overrun or run out of money
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how long is Major gonna let that one lurker deny his third's mining -.-
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the drop killed like 7 supply depots and another coming
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OMG ERASER KILLS A WHOLE BUNCH OF DRONES
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seems like both of them have very little interest in defending their bases
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rofl 25 KILL VESSEL ...Hyun you never stop to amaze me...
omg
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the erasor killed so many drones. pretty much all at third
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17 kill lurker...
that's been there for 10 mins...
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LAIR PLAGUED
in other news, THAT LURKER FINALLY DIES!
5 base terran vs 3 base zerg.
and a 26 kill vessel
why is this game still going on
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4 base teran vs 3 base zerg
why is this takjing so long?
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hyun gets ultras off like 1 maybe 2 bases
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wtf 2nd round of eraser wipes the entire bunch of drones again
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LOL
suicides 2 vessels into a spore to eraser
but it's ok, one ultra can take on 9999 mm right?
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3rd *finally* taken out
maybe hyun will gg now?
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gg
>_<
recommended game for the high skill level amirite?
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This game was so bad that I MUST recommend it when the poll is made
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
wow....
that was....
interesting
and by interesting I mean horrible
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Cool, maybe a fox player i won't hate. hahahah
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Poll: Would you recommend game 1?No (22) 54% Yes (12) 29% Check it out if you have time. (7) 17% 41 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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That was some impressively mediocre play.
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voted yes for the lols...
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hah, at one point, yes had more votes than no
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that game was bad, but still entertaining
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Please work on your ZvT Hyun
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Pure v Tyson
Edit:
Wow, this is going to be tough. It seems Pure's wins have all come from PvP
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pure vs han/tyson/bridge (so many names)
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So far Wemade getting the more favorable match-ups
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this should be good, both are good PvP (unless pure turns on chaos mode and plays like crap)
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ton of probes killed in scarab
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could a skirmish be more even?
edit: oops missed the probe kills
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
destroying each other...nice
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awesome reaver mexican standoff!
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tyson's reaver drop kills about 8 probes
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On December 14 2010 19:00 Jackal03 wrote:
tyson's reaver drop kills about 8 probes
11 in total. :O
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
great play by tysonbridgehan so far
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both players securing a third (tyson's is done earlier)
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GREAT storm drop by tyson, cleans pure probes at main
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han with MASSIVE storms
han has been harassing ridiculously
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tyson gets off a nice dt harass, then an epic HT drop, so many probus dying
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and now pure suicides a shuttle with who knows what inside
this could be it.
and gg
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and now pure's army is being destroyed
gg by pure
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SO many probe kills
sick play
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Poll: Would you recommend game 2?Yes (16) 70% No (4) 17% Check it out if you have time. (3) 13% 23 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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Tyson harrased him to death, slowly but deadly
gg
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Awww a fox player i really DIDN't hate, looses to some punk. Why am i even watching i don't appreciate most players on either of these teams...
Except Jaehoon. I'll stay up for him.
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Nice play by tyson his harrasment was amazing go MBC
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Tyson Hell yeah Im proud !
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Wow Tyson, his PvP is so good now. I'm very impressed.
Pusan must be one awesome coach IMO.
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I honestly thought Pure was going to take this, but those were some SICK storms and good deflections of attacks. Well-deserved dominating victory.
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oh crap theres gonna be a tvt fest soon
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men i dont want to imagine flash in sc2... scary shit
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On December 14 2010 19:13 Ryo wrote:
Roro v Saint
Has Saint's ZvZ improved? He seems to be kind of bad.
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time for some rorolling (i hope)
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On December 14 2010 19:15 mustaju wrote:Has Saint's ZvZ improved? He seems to be kind of bad.
Saint is actually awesome at 2v2. But they scrapped that in 2008. He stayed on cos he has other things to contribute, he's a good teacher and captain.
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time for saint to redeem all our anti's from last season!
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scbw zerg music is so nostalgic and nice
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saint lost a few drones to that zergling runby
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summary:
roro makes early drones, saint made lings
roro kills 3 drones with lings
roro fails completely at dodging scourge, making game closer than it should have been
not recommended
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Poll: Would you recommend game 3?No (10) 91% Yes (1) 9% Check it out if you have time. (0) 0% 11 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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Lol not the best ZvZ , but you do what you gotta do imo
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ok the sound is back, at first I thought it was just me
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Head and shoulders progamer edition?
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oh man Sea vs Shine REMATCH!!!
Will shine pull of any kind of solid play??
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Get your revenge Sea! :D Just 1 Rax FE and take it to a standard macro game and he won't stand a chance.
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Sea in bottom Right, orange,
Shine in top left, Blue.
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PR DECIDER RIGHT HERE SHINE AND SEA
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Shine's winning streak ends here.
Gogo sea!
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Surprise surprise early pool
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Shine geting some gas, Barracks up for sea,
Lings already out for shine! heading over....
Sea scouting in a way that misses the lings.
oh man shine re inforcing more and more
sea with 2 marines
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guess he needs to pee again
sea's achiles gtg to pee
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This is impeccable micro by Shine though.
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shine expanding, even if sea does survive he'll be way behind
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A marine got in the bunker!
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YES
sea gets one in teh bunk
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3 lings in the base, but a bunch of scvs chasing them around, reinforcements coming, sea has most of his scvs pulled at this point
biulding a bunker but the scv dies,
1 marine comes out low health
loosing scvs . Camera on Seas face, bunkers done with 1 marine, !!!!!
oh man but sea is just only mining with like 3 scvs
4 lings stilll running around, no marine in the bunker. now 2.
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Holy crap, just lift your rax toward your bunker. -_-
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shine if you find a way to lose this i am disappoint
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Shine has not been building ANY drones, all lings all day,
oh wait, nvm has 4 drones at the nat
still 4 lings in the base
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Oh man, that bunker thing was hilarious.
AHHHHHHHHH
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Goddamn those zerglings are ridiculous.
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On December 14 2010 19:42 zer0das wrote:
Holy crap, just lift your rax toward your bunker. -_-
If he did that, Shine would just block Sea from landing with his lings. That would be the fastest way for Sea to lose.
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On December 14 2010 19:43 TheNessman wrote:
Shine has not been building ANY drones, all lings all day,
oh wait, nvm has 4 drones at the nat
still 4 lings in the base
shine is still well ahead, he's got this
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commentators were screaming their asses off LOL
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What is this? I go away for a while and come back and find lings in Sea's base. How is that possible? How is it that Shine can still get away with that when everyboedy should expect it and play super safe (because Shine can't macro)?
This is so funny.
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Shine was so lucky with the scounting patern though....
I don't see what Sea can do now
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Mutalisks are going to dominate so hard.
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On December 14 2010 19:45 Holgerius wrote:
What is this? I go away for a while and come back and find lings in Sea's base. How is that possible? How is it that Shine can still get away with that when everyboedy should expect it and play super safe (because Shine can't macro)?
This is so funny.
i think it's more to do with the fact that sea is pretty bad and caves in under pressure easily
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If Sea can survive the initial mutas and take this to late game I think he still has a good chance to take it.
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Sea with a very good number of turrets across his base, and a large force,
it's pretty even, but shine is geetting his 3rd up
oh man busting down the front! OH MAN SEA GGS
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At first I was like where's the pressure.
Then I was like "mutaling bust!"
SHINE IMBA
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Poll: Would you recommend game 4?Yes (23) 72% No (8) 25% Check it out if you have time. (1) 3% 32 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 4? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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LOOOOOOL NOOOOOOOOOOOO SHINE STRIKES AGAIN
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Soooooo much RAGE .... damn
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise
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sea on heavy d all around his base, turrets everywhere
except his front, shine busts, kills the marines, gg
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wow just wow
i'm sorry
but this has gone too far
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On December 14 2010 19:47 Holgerius wrote:
If Sea can survive the initial mutas and take this to late game I think he still has a good chance to take it.
On December 14 2010 19:47 TheNessman wrote:
Sea with a very good number of turrets across his base, and a large force,
it's pretty even, but shine is geetting his 3rd up
oh man busting down the front! OH MAN SEA GGS
hahaaha
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On December 14 2010 19:47 Holgerius wrote:
If Sea can survive the initial mutas and take this to late game I think he still has a good chance to take it.
Shine is a baller. It's so amusing that he can still pull of things like this.
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That's 14th consecutive win now? Geez.
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I say this as a JD fan, Shine is the best zerg at the moment, he just seems to get it...
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On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise
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ummm...wow shine.
just wow
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All of that because Sea though Shine was close position and could not scout to block his ramp in time.
I still doubt Shine's ZvT.
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I want Shine to play Flash!
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shine is pwning. bottom line his aggressive styles fits him well when the meta game says 1 rax expand in tvz.
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On December 14 2010 19:49 letian wrote:
I want Shine to play Flash!
I want Shine to play Flash too.
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On December 14 2010 19:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
I say this as a JD fan, Shine is the best zerg at the moment, he just seems to get it...
Attack early because everybody plays a greedy macro game this day?
Hell yes!
Works at D+ ICCup level works at Olympic Progamer level!
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GG shine. You are quite good at what you do.
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Shine is on the 13th win streak!!!! omg
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On December 14 2010 19:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
I say this as a JD fan, Shine is the best zerg at the moment, he just seems to get it...
LOL
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On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise
I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are.
His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^
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On December 14 2010 19:49 Ryo wrote:I want Shine to play Flash too.
Flash has impeccable crisis management though. Shine is just very very good against terrans like sea who suck at defending rushes and early pressure. i reckon shine could also easily take fantasy though (have you seen how many 9 pools fantasy has failed vs?)
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fuckin shine, never ceases to amaze me. he even threw up 2 more bases to make it seem like he wasn't just going to kill him once mutas were out
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Best win streak for Flash is 12, Jae is 13! Shine is on the 13th , so if he wins next match....omg
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On December 14 2010 19:51 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:49 Ryo wrote:On December 14 2010 19:49 letian wrote:
I want Shine to play Flash! I want Shine to play Flash too. Flash has impeccable crisis management though. Shine is just very very good against terrans like sea who suck at defending rushes and early pressure. i reckon shine could also easily take fantasy though (have you seen how many 9 pools fantasy has failed vs?)
I think you misunderstood my comment.
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I'd also love Shine vs Flash. :D I do not think he'd stand a chance against GOD.
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On December 14 2010 19:49 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
I say this as a JD fan, Shine is the best zerg at the moment, he just seems to get it... Attack early because everybody plays a greedy macro game this day? Hell yes! Works at D+ ICCup level works at Olympic Progamer level!
lol good luck finding at D+:
a zerg who builds a spawning pool AFTER a hatchery
a protoss who doesn't go 2 gate
a terran who doesn't go 2 rax
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On December 14 2010 19:52 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:49 flamewheel wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
I say this as a JD fan, Shine is the best zerg at the moment, he just seems to get it... Attack early because everybody plays a greedy macro game this day? Hell yes! Works at D+ ICCup level works at Olympic Progamer level! lol good luck finding at D+: a zerg who builds a spawning pool AFTER a hatchery a protoss who doesn't go 2 gate a terran who doesn't go 2 rax
At D+ most people play standard.
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On December 14 2010 19:51 letian wrote:
Best win streak for Flash is 12, Jae is 13! Shine is on the 13th , so if he wins next match....omg
I thought Flash was 15? Best is GoRush's 16 i think.
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On December 14 2010 19:49 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
I say this as a JD fan, Shine is the best zerg at the moment, he just seems to get it... Attack early because everybody plays a greedy macro game this day? Hell yes! Works at D+ ICCup level works at Olympic Progamer level!
Oh Flamewheel, you're underestimating the fact
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That early ling aggression was beautiful, you can't let the terran just macro up in the beginning, take the fight to him with early aggression and then go from there. Sea's timing was all off due to it, which made Shine's "all-in" or whatever you guys call it look easy.
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On December 14 2010 19:53 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:51 letian wrote:
Best win streak for Flash is 12, Jae is 13! Shine is on the 13th , so if he wins next match....omg I thought Flash was 15? Best is GoRush's 16 i think.
If you exclude STX Masters' he is.
On December 14 2010 19:53 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:49 flamewheel wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
I say this as a JD fan, Shine is the best zerg at the moment, he just seems to get it... Attack early because everybody plays a greedy macro game this day? Hell yes! Works at D+ ICCup level works at Olympic Progamer level! Oh Flamewheel, you're underestimating the fact
Huh?
On December 14 2010 19:52 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:49 flamewheel wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 kuroshiroi wrote:
I say this as a JD fan, Shine is the best zerg at the moment, he just seems to get it... Attack early because everybody plays a greedy macro game this day? Hell yes! Works at D+ ICCup level works at Olympic Progamer level! lol good luck finding at D+: a zerg who builds a spawning pool AFTER a hatchery a protoss who doesn't go 2 gate a terran who doesn't go 2 rax
Actually like 90% of the people vP I play go standard. 2hatch hydra bust!
1rax CC! Lings lings lings lings lurkers defiler into either lolwin or oops I can't macro lose.
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On December 14 2010 19:55 kuroshiroi wrote:
That early ling aggression was beautiful, you can't let the terran just macro up in the beginning, take the fight to him with early aggression and then go from there. Sea's timing was all off due to it, which made Shine's "all-in" or whatever you guys call it look easy.
nothing is an all-in on 4 bases, that was a clean up
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Shine is on a legendary tear right now. Holy hell, he is a FPL beast.
Baby v. Light now.
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On December 14 2010 19:55 kuroshiroi wrote:
That early ling aggression was beautiful, you can't let the terran just macro up in the beginning, take the fight to him with early aggression and then go from there. Sea's timing was all off due to it, which made Shine's "all-in" or whatever you guys call it look easy.
9pool is not a reliable opening. Shine got lucky. If he hadn't even the best micro in the world would not have helped.
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Light also a PR decider for you!
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On December 14 2010 19:57 Apex wrote:
Shine is on a legendary tear right now. Holy hell, he is a FPL beast.
Baby v. Light now.
Whoa I just realized I have Shine on FPL o.0
Whoops now I realize I haven't been following FPL since like second day ><
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On December 14 2010 19:57 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:55 kuroshiroi wrote:
That early ling aggression was beautiful, you can't let the terran just macro up in the beginning, take the fight to him with early aggression and then go from there. Sea's timing was all off due to it, which made Shine's "all-in" or whatever you guys call it look easy. 9pool is not a reliable opening. Shine got lucky. If he hadn't even the best micro in the world would not have helped.
Yep. Sea only scouted him on his 3rd try.
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On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^
Yeah he is good.
But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible.
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Someone building a forward rax, no idea who
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Damn, wish my eyes were good enough to watch the mini-map.
But this game is good too so who cares for a couple minutes.
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On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
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permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible.
We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game.
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On December 14 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible. We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game.
Please stop with the Shine bandwagonning. We know he's not only winning through luck. But here it was luck. You're not suppose to let lings go inside your base against 9 pool. Princess might have won that game after that, even though Shine's micro was really good.
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On December 14 2010 20:03 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible. We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game. Please stop with the Shine bandwagonning. We know he's not only winning through luck. But here it was luck. You're not suppose to let lings go inside your base against 9 pool. Princess might have won that game after that, even though Shine's micro was really good.
Exactly, you're not supposed to let them in, so Sea didn't really play well did he? Shine on the other hand played close to perfectly. Therefore he outplayed Sea. ^__^
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On December 14 2010 20:05 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:03 corumjhaelen wrote:On December 14 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible. We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game. Please stop with the Shine bandwagonning. We know he's not only winning through luck. But here it was luck. You're not suppose to let lings go inside your base against 9 pool. Princess might have won that game after that, even though Shine's micro was really good. Exactly, you're not supposed to let them in, so Sea didn't really play well did he? Shine on the other hand played close to perfectly. Therefore he outplayed Sea. ^__^
Did you look at the scouting paterns ?
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Fedor pls switch streams
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On December 14 2010 20:05 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:05 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 20:03 corumjhaelen wrote:On December 14 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible. We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game. Please stop with the Shine bandwagonning. We know he's not only winning through luck. But here it was luck. You're not suppose to let lings go inside your base against 9 pool. Princess might have won that game after that, even though Shine's micro was really good. Exactly, you're not supposed to let them in, so Sea didn't really play well did he? Shine on the other hand played close to perfectly. Therefore he outplayed Sea. ^__^ Did you look at the scouting paterns ?
Nope, didn't watch the begining. But since Shine is an extremely notable aggressive player Sea should've played hyper safe and double scouted (which I assume he didn't).
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible. We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game.
I didn't say he is a not good or something, but you can't deny that he has as fuckton of luck in his wins.
This time, the scouting patterns were just unreal, the Marine dying one pixel in front of the bunker. Things work out like that maybe 1 in 20 games.
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On December 14 2010 20:05 Ryo wrote:Fedor pls switch streams
We already have a streamer for entus vs khan i think he fell asleep
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WOW this game is crazy, s o back and forth neither player can hold an expo for very long...
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Geesh, if it wasn't TvT, I would be able to see who's winning.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Hmm apparently Light is white and has tanks?
And by tanks I mean wraiths.
He also has tanks but yeah.
Oh hey BaBy has wraiths too.
They're cloaked!
This statement was useless.
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LOL i was talking about the jangbi game, then i was like "why is no one in this thread talking about this??" then realized i was in the wrong Thread.
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On December 14 2010 20:09 flamewheel wrote:
Hmm apparently Light is white and has tanks?
And by tanks I mean wraiths.
He also has tanks but yeah.
Oh hey BaBy has wraiths too.
They're cloaked!
This statement was useless.
LR 4lyfe
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:09 flamewheel wrote:
Hmm apparently Light is white and has tanks?
And by tanks I mean wraiths.
He also has tanks but yeah.
Oh hey BaBy has wraiths too.
They're cloaked!
This statement was useless.
And by white I mean blue!
I'm a failure.
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On December 14 2010 20:07 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:05 corumjhaelen wrote:On December 14 2010 20:05 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 20:03 corumjhaelen wrote:On December 14 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible. We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game. Please stop with the Shine bandwagonning. We know he's not only winning through luck. But here it was luck. You're not suppose to let lings go inside your base against 9 pool. Princess might have won that game after that, even though Shine's micro was really good. Exactly, you're not supposed to let them in, so Sea didn't really play well did he? Shine on the other hand played close to perfectly. Therefore he outplayed Sea. ^__^ Did you look at the scouting paterns ? Nope, didn't watch the begining. But since Shine is an extremely notable aggressive player Sea should've played hyper safe and double scouted (which I assume he didn't).
Sea scouted both close positions with the same scvs because shine's early drone made him think he was there. It was pretty smart, cause his scv missed the lings in the middle by 10sec at worse.
If it was anyone but Shine or Jaedong, everybody would be saying this was luck, rightfully so.
Unless you thing a 1/3-2/3 build is reliable enough in a best of one.
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10387 Posts
why the hell are there valks
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awkward a double post, i didn't expect this. Sorry!
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light was building a Barracks but it got taken out by these like 12 wraiths (w/ viking support)
Light looks discouraged. wraiths doing hella damage in large humbers.... also has tanks
Baby also has his expo already up while Light doesn't i think.... hmmm
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Hmm BaBy has huge air superiority with his wraiths and valks right now, but I don't really see him harassing much. Oh hello vulture.
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Baby and Light is pretty intense.
Can Baby seal it for Wemade with a 4-1 victory?! Damn so much regrets. I was going to pick Shine/Wemade to reflect my Wemade pride. Why...why did I not do this...?
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On December 14 2010 20:05 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:05 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 20:03 corumjhaelen wrote:On December 14 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible. We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game. Please stop with the Shine bandwagonning. We know he's not only winning through luck. But here it was luck. You're not suppose to let lings go inside your base against 9 pool. Princess might have won that game after that, even though Shine's micro was really good. Exactly, you're not supposed to let them in, so Sea didn't really play well did he? Shine on the other hand played close to perfectly. Therefore he outplayed Sea. ^__^ Did you look at the scouting paterns ?
the scouting patterns made sense, shine sent an ol horizontally, drone cross map, and if he didn't see either then sea was vertical, no matter what he would know sea's location before the lings came out.
sea just scouted both close positions because he saw the early drone scout and assumed aggression, which is much worse in close positions. unlucky that he didn't catch it but still logical.
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On December 14 2010 20:14 ItsBigfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:05 corumjhaelen wrote:On December 14 2010 20:05 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 20:03 corumjhaelen wrote:On December 14 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:59 Fenrax wrote:On December 14 2010 19:50 Holgerius wrote:On December 14 2010 19:48 Fenrax wrote:
must...resist...comment
permanban otherwise I used to be so angry at Shine, but I have come to accept his awesomeness. He really isn't the one to blame; everyone who still loses to him despite the fact that he plays hyper aggressively literally every single game are. His micro is pretty sweet. ^__^ Yeah he is good. But his luck is incredible. In fucking credible. We really cannot attribute it to luck anymore. He plays better than his opponent every single game. Please stop with the Shine bandwagonning. We know he's not only winning through luck. But here it was luck. You're not suppose to let lings go inside your base against 9 pool. Princess might have won that game after that, even though Shine's micro was really good. Exactly, you're not supposed to let them in, so Sea didn't really play well did he? Shine on the other hand played close to perfectly. Therefore he outplayed Sea. ^__^ Did you look at the scouting paterns ? the scouting patterns made sense, shine sent an ol horizontally, drone cross map, and if he didn't see either then sea was vertical, no matter what he would know sea's location before the lings came out. sea just scouted both close positions because he saw the early drone scout and assumed aggression, which is much worse in close positions. unlucky that he didn't catch it but still logical.
We completely agree.
Shine got lucky.
I'm not saying Shine is bad or anything BTW.
Well anyway, this game seems pretty good, a pity we could not see the beginning
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
This game is really intense. TvTs like this must be so strenuous.
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wow, baby is just taking anything in sight
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Light has air superiority now!
Oh no Baby! D:
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
BaBy with the econ but Light with the forces...
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10387 Posts
wooow I didnt watch the beginning but Light looked realyl screwed.. super comeback victory incoming?
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Baby just randomly taking all the bases. Armies are apparently for chumps.
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baby pushing towards light's only mining expo!
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Those wraiths just got rolled hard.
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Baby somehow regains air superiority with a hero valk!
Baby now has the advantage? X_X
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and light has no money left!
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10387 Posts
damn looks like no comeback.. but shit did Light give a hell of a fight
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Engineering bay to trap Light's harassing vults @ 5! :o
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and light gg's with the look on his face
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baby cut it unnecessarily close there but it should be over now
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ah well, looks like light feels obligated to play until every last tank is dead
that and he just got a couple expos up, one of which is getting shut down right now
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Long live valks, nicely done.
gg
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Oh man Light loses BaBy wins WeMade 4-1 :O :O
Quite a sick TvT.
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Too bad, I wanted moar games.
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That was close to a comeback...
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damnnit light.
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Estonia4504 Posts
Poll: Would you recommend game 5?Yes (18) 86% No (2) 10% Check it out if you have time. (1) 5% 21 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 5? (Vote): Yes
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Baby scores the victory for Wemade!
Webelieve in victories. 4-1. Good to see Baby recover from the slump. Seems he's faring well now.
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So sad.
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everyone's fav players losing today~
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On December 14 2010 20:25 Invictus wrote:
everyone's fav players losing today~
...what?
Shine didn't lose...
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Light has a fan meeting after this. It's so sad that he lost. Jaehoon didn't even get to play.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:26 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:25 Invictus wrote:
everyone's fav players losing today~ ...what? Shine didn't lose...
lol
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On December 14 2010 20:26 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:25 Invictus wrote:
everyone's fav players losing today~ ...what? Shine didn't lose...
Shouldn't have said everyone lol. More of my favourite players not winning today.
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thebike
United States157 Posts
Hahaha, I can't believe Shine won again! Before I was irritated, but now it's getting hilarious. 14 win streak!
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The longest win streak in history of progaming is 16 wins, and Shine now has 14! Can't believe this is happening.
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Shine and wemade fighting!!
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On December 14 2010 20:43 arbiter_md wrote:
The longest win streak in history of progaming is 16 wins, and Shine now has 14! Can't believe this is happening.
He plays Mind next.
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On December 14 2010 20:26 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:25 Invictus wrote:
everyone's fav players losing today~ ...what? Shine didn't lose...
Lol Shine = everyone's favorite all in zerg now that kwanro pretty much disappeared
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just got home and would like to say. wow, shine :|
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On December 14 2010 21:15 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:26 Lonyo wrote:On December 14 2010 20:25 Invictus wrote:
everyone's fav players losing today~ ...what? Shine didn't lose... Lol Shine = everyone's favorite all in zerg now that kwanro pretty much disappeared
i still like Kwanro wayyyyyy more
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On December 14 2010 19:53 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:51 letian wrote:
Best win streak for Flash is 12, Jae is 13! Shine is on the 13th , so if he wins next match....omg I thought Flash was 15? Best is GoRush's 16 i think.
it is 15 but he is counting unofficial games which makes it 12 but in reality its 15
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
I can see it. Shine > Mind and then in OZ vs KHAN...
Shine > ...
Jaedong? That'd be fatalistic. But then again if Shine beats Mind and doesn't run into Jaedong, I'd expect him to win against whomever OZ sent out against him.
So logically, given the course of the universe what has to happen is Shine has to face Jaedong.
Of course, this is all compliant upon him beating Mind. Who knows?
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On December 14 2010 22:59 flamewheel wrote:
I can see it. Shine > Mind and then in OZ vs KHAN...
Shine > ...
Jaedong? That'd be fatalistic. But then again if Shine beats Mind and doesn't run into Jaedong, I'd expect him to win against whomever OZ sent out against him.
So logically, given the course of the universe what has to happen is Shine has to face Jaedong.
Of course, this is all compliant upon him beating Mind. Who knows?
Oz vs Khan? Shine is on Wemade. They play STX next.
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Haha holy shit 14 game win sreak. Oh shine.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
Shine looks a lot more confident than Kwanro. It seems like his strats are pre-planned and he puts much thought into them, carefully picking the time and way to catch players off guard, as well as using the underused ways to make pressure. And let's not say he's only all-in - he beat Kal and Leta in macro games.
I think he could become something like a "mind-game bonjwa" 
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I'd love to see him try to out-mindgame Flash.
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On December 15 2010 00:48 hellbound wrote:If he studies a few  EffOrt vods, we all might see him do it.  Flash is still only human and Shine is tearing through everything, give the man what he is due.
I've been giving Shine credit all over the place in different threads lately. But it's going too far to think he is could be better than God in any aspect of the game.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
Maybe too early to compete with Flash, yes. Give him some time, he's 2 years at the competitive level
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Wow Shine won again. I'm officially impressed.
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This is definitely excessive. He's a decent player but talking about him being better than Jaedong and beating Flash is just nuts. Maybe if he cheeses he'll beat Flash but never in a standard long macro game. Shine is definitely not better than either Zero or Soulkey, let alone Jaedong.
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The wemade brick-wall of Roro/Shine/Baby/Pure are really putting the hurt on other teams. Next week they're playing STX and Woongjin, gonna be fun to follow
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On December 15 2010 01:05 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 00:48 hellbound wrote:On December 15 2010 00:44 Holgerius wrote:I'd love to see him try to out-mindgame Flash. If he studies a few EffOrt vods, we all might see him do it. Flash is still only human and Shine is tearing through everything, give the man what he is due. I've been giving Shine credit all over the place in different threads lately. But it's going too far to think he is could be better than God in any aspect of the game.
Kill yourself.
User was warned for this post
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He plays it like a ZvZ i love it. See's the mass turrets, just ignores it.
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Holy shit. Shine's win today puts him on a 14game winning streak O_O.
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shine for number 1 on pr!!
id love to see the interview
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Noooooo Sea
Although Shine is good, he's nowhere near JD or Flash yet, maybe in the future though.
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On December 15 2010 06:10 soujiro_ wrote:
shine for number 1 on pr!!
id love to see the interview
Q: You went for a 9 pool on a 4 player map, do you think that was a risky strategy?
A: Well, I accidentally ate some spicy food before the match, and it didn't agree with me, so I wanted to end it as quickly as I could because I was feeling really uncomfortable, but I knew a 6 pool would be a big risk on a 4 player map, so I wanted something that would give me a better chance, so I chose the 9 pool. Thankfully it was over quickly so I managed to get myself to the toilet before anything bad happened.
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aw
Meh, not too upset by this. by the sound of it Sea just got unlucky and Light played a pretty close game. I'm happy to see WeMade win as well.
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Set 4 was great, Shine is destroying everyone's FL teams.
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wow Shine, how long would take for everyone to play safe against him?
Maybe his lategame has improved a lot XD
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United States11390 Posts
On December 15 2010 07:23 matjlav wrote:aw Meh, not too upset by this. by the sound of it Sea just got unlucky and Light played a pretty close game. I'm happy to see WeMade win as well.
Unlucky? You mean bad decision-making.
Sea played extremely greedy and unsafe not using 2 scvs to scout on a 4p map. Sea completely deserved that and had it coming.
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Shine's 14 game win streak (standard games) is higher than Jaedong's best streak of 13 wins (standard games).
edit: Flash's best streak is 15 wins (standard games).
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