Both are failures (but I can't help loving them) (7)
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Your vote: Who will win?
(Vote): STX Soul (Vote): Air Force ACE (Vote): Both are failures (but I can't help loving them)
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P.S. Format stolen from Shinshady who probably stole it from someone else. I'd wait for some sort of consent, but I'd much rather have a thread a day early than making one 5 minutes earlier. P.S. 2 Images from Fomos and dailyesports.com P.S. 3 STX got this EZ
On October 19 2010 03:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: "Both are failures (but I can't help loving them)"
Fuck you man.
Not my fault some people don't join in on my STX (and ACE) love. Edit: Only included that option due to reading a lot of ACE and STX hate compared to other teams. I really love the teams, but I love free speech more. EDIT2:
On October 19 2010 05:46 iamho wrote: is the calender correct? this is 5 hours after the kt-oz game?
The MBCGame homepage also says that it'll be at 18:00 KST. I couldn't find the OngameNet calendar (I don't speak Korean), so you'll need to ask someone else about that.
On October 19 2010 12:59 McDonalds wrote: Don't really care which team wins as long as there is an INSTANT CLASSIC.
Hoping for Classic, alright. He'd better perform so STX can have a fearsome Terran line.
Bogus is already doing well, Classic and Last will start to do well this season. STX's Terran line will be much better this season, and hyvaa boosts the already rape-tastic Zerg line, and Kal and Shuttle holding down the Protoss line? STX rapes every team in a Bo7, including the SKT1 scum and the overhyped KTFlash.
On October 19 2010 12:59 McDonalds wrote: Don't really care which team wins as long as there is an INSTANT CLASSIC.
Hoping for Classic, alright. He'd better perform so STX can have a fearsome Terran line.
Bogus is already doing well, Classic and Last will start to do well this season. STX's Terran line will be much better this season, and hyvaa boosts the already rape-tastic Zerg line, and Kal and Shuttle holding down the Protoss line? STX rapes every team in a Bo7, including the SKT1 scum and the overhyped KTFlash.
Don't know about last, but if Bogus could continue performing well, STX will have no competition.
On October 19 2010 12:59 McDonalds wrote: Don't really care which team wins as long as there is an INSTANT CLASSIC.
Hoping for Classic, alright. He'd better perform so STX can have a fearsome Terran line.
Bogus is already doing well, Classic and Last will start to do well this season. STX's Terran line will be much better this season, and hyvaa boosts the already rape-tastic Zerg line, and Kal and Shuttle holding down the Protoss line? STX rapes every team in a Bo7, including the SKT1 scum and the overhyped KTFlash.
Classic outperformed Hyvaa last season, in my opinion. When Classic lost you could tell that confidence had something to do with it. Hyvaa would just get lost in the mid game and stop playing. I hope they can both grow with STX, anyway.
The best showcase of how Classic performed is his STX Masters match against Hogil, I think. For the first half of the game he plays quite poorly. Then he regains his confidence and executes a push where he doesn't seem to lose a single goddamn marine.
On October 19 2010 17:57 Red. wrote: Guys excuse me where can i see these matches? im lost!
Hopefully there will be streams posted in this thread, usually edited into the op, and the event will show up on the right below the calendar. Just a few more minutes now.
On October 19 2010 16:58 ShadeR wrote: Has FBH even finish basic training yet? I didn't see him on bench last match.
good question - but I'd assume that if M18M is able to play then FBH should also be (edit: given that FBH joined ACE earlier than M18M); I also recall seeing FBH on the roster
On October 19 2010 17:57 Red. wrote: Guys excuse me where can i see these matches? im lost!
Hopefully there will be streams posted in this thread, usually edited into the op, and the event will show up on the right below the calendar. Just a few more minutes now.
On October 19 2010 17:57 Red. wrote: Guys excuse me where can i see these matches? im lost!
Hopefully there will be streams posted in this thread, usually edited into the op, and the event will show up on the right below the calendar. Just a few more minutes now.
thank you a lot man, i didnt know what else to do!
Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
On October 19 2010 18:27 Holgerius wrote: Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
On October 19 2010 18:27 Holgerius wrote: Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
True, impossible not to love gramps!
agreed also, although the difference with Much is he can play PvT straight up as well (or at least he used to... iirc)
On October 19 2010 18:27 Holgerius wrote: Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
On October 19 2010 18:27 Holgerius wrote: Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
True, impossible not to love gramps!
agreed also, although the difference with Much is he can play PvT straight up as well (or at least he used to... iirc)
Yeah, Much's PvT is by far his best matchup, I still remember his cannon cheese vs July on Medusa though, that shit was awesome.
On October 19 2010 18:27 Holgerius wrote: Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
True, impossible not to love gramps!
agreed also, although the difference with Much is he can play PvT straight up as well (or at least he used to... iirc)
Yeah, Much's PvT is by far his best matchup, I still remember his cannon cheese vs July on Medusa though, that shit was awesome.
I remember that game too! iirc Much had to win to have a chance for the tiebreakers, it was tense
On October 19 2010 18:27 Holgerius wrote: Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
True, impossible not to love gramps!
agreed also, although the difference with Much is he can play PvT straight up as well (or at least he used to... iirc)
Yeah, Much's PvT is by far his best matchup, I still remember his cannon cheese vs July on Medusa though, that shit was awesome.
Dude, that entire groupstage was hilarious. XD Super brilliant cannon rush vs July, 1 Base Carrier vs Bisu (on that retarded map) and proxy reaver gayness vs Flash.
On October 19 2010 18:27 Holgerius wrote: Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
True, impossible not to love gramps!
agreed also, although the difference with Much is he can play PvT straight up as well (or at least he used to... iirc)
Yeah, Much's PvT is by far his best matchup, I still remember his cannon cheese vs July on Medusa though, that shit was awesome.
oh man that is like my favourite game ever, I still remember July's WTF expression when he saw the cheese
Kinda sad for Frozean... When he sucks, usually his team owns rest of games. When he wins games that means team loses :D Happened end of last season when Frozean did win lot of games and team didn't.
Poor guy, his image of hard working progamer with 40% win rate. Feels like everybody does something funky against him. He must be solid player if coach almost always picks him first set.
On October 19 2010 18:27 Holgerius wrote: Normally when I watch a Toss do stuff like this I rage so hard, but I just love it when it's Much. He has the most brilliantly abusive playstyle ever. XD
Although it's sad that we might be losing a stream, have to respect Roffles' desire to watch GSL.
Also, he has to do his TL duty. There's a whole -legion- of SC2 fans that have not been introduced to kpop yet. Roffles can't stand idly by and let that happen!
On October 19 2010 18:41 Vortok wrote: Although it's sad that we might be losing a stream, have to respect Roffles' desire to watch GSL.
Also, he has to do his TL duty. There's a whole -legion- of SC2 fans that have not been introduced to kpop yet. Roffles can't stand idly by and let that happen!
Can't believe that this game started out 1 base vs 2 in Clam's favor and now it's 3 to 2 in ggaemo's favor.
Also, heard Tasteless effectively say 'Why watch BW when SC2 is out and is totally better.' I understand he has a job at Gom, but whether that's Gom's position that he is just going with or it's his personal opinion... it's a sad comment to hear either way.
On October 19 2010 19:04 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: God I'd rather listen to Korean commentators speaking a language I don't understand and commenting on BW than listen to Artosis and Tasteless.
Yeah, dunno, why oh why this is happening, nothing will EVER compare to Proleague, we need streamers!
On October 19 2010 19:11 Vortok wrote: Can't believe that this game started out 1 base vs 2 in Clam's favor and now it's 3 to 2 in ggaemo's favor.
Also, heard Tasteless effectively say 'Why watch BW when SC2 is out and is totally better.' I understand he has a job at Gom, but whether that's Gom's position that he is just going with or it's his personal opinion... it's a sad comment to hear either way.
He and Artosis are constantly going on about how SC2 is the greatest blah blah. Feels like propoganda to me. All I know is the only time I'd watch SC2 is when there isn't any BW to watch. There really is no comparison b/w the two as far as viewing goes.
On October 19 2010 19:11 Vortok wrote: Can't believe that this game started out 1 base vs 2 in Clam's favor and now it's 3 to 2 in ggaemo's favor.
Also, heard Tasteless effectively say 'Why watch BW when SC2 is out and is totally better.' I understand he has a job at Gom, but whether that's Gom's position that he is just going with or it's his personal opinion... it's a sad comment to hear either way.
He said that?
I understand that some might like StarCraft II over BW, but to me it's a boring game that happens to have a colorful 3D graphics (notice how I don't say easy on the eyes.) I watched every game in the first GSL, and there was only a handful that I actually enjoyed watching; there's really no awe factor in the game for me.
The fact that Tasteless would jump on everyone who loves BW as much as I do is disheartening. I can understand him wanting to promote SCII, but don't force your opinion on me.
On October 19 2010 19:11 ahwala wrote: How retarded is this? Does he realize there is an official, easily accessible stream for the gsl? 0o
He did it out of charity. It's not up to us. Tasteless slightly paraphrased: "...if you did follow SC 1, you don't follow SC1 now because SC2 is so much better, then fou were a famous clan there."
On October 19 2010 19:11 Vortok wrote: Can't believe that this game started out 1 base vs 2 in Clam's favor and now it's 3 to 2 in ggaemo's favor.
Also, heard Tasteless effectively say 'Why watch BW when SC2 is out and is totally better.' I understand he has a job at Gom, but whether that's Gom's position that he is just going with or it's his personal opinion... it's a sad comment to hear either way.
He and Artosis are constantly going on about how SC2 is the greatest blah blah. Feels like propoganda to me. All I know is the only time I'd watch SC2 is when there isn't any BW to watch. There really is no comparison b/w the two as far as viewing goes.
On October 19 2010 19:11 Vortok wrote: Can't believe that this game started out 1 base vs 2 in Clam's favor and now it's 3 to 2 in ggaemo's favor.
Also, heard Tasteless effectively say 'Why watch BW when SC2 is out and is totally better.' I understand he has a job at Gom, but whether that's Gom's position that he is just going with or it's his personal opinion... it's a sad comment to hear either way.
He and Artosis are constantly going on about how SC2 is the greatest blah blah. Feels like propoganda to me. All I know is the only time I'd watch SC2 is when there isn't any BW to watch. There really is no comparison b/w the two as far as viewing goes.
Yeah, this one makes me laugh, how two bunnies try to protect their purses or whatever, anyway never had much respect for them in the past days. Damn you hypocrites.
On October 19 2010 19:12 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On October 19 2010 19:11 Vortok wrote: Can't believe that this game started out 1 base vs 2 in Clam's favor and now it's 3 to 2 in ggaemo's favor.
Also, heard Tasteless effectively say 'Why watch BW when SC2 is out and is totally better.' I understand he has a job at Gom, but whether that's Gom's position that he is just going with or it's his personal opinion... it's a sad comment to hear either way.
He and Artosis are constantly going on about how SC2 is the greatest blah blah. Feels like propoganda to me. All I know is the only time I'd watch SC2 is when there isn't any BW to watch. There really is no comparison b/w the two as far as viewing goes.
its called not biting the hand that feeds you
Oh yeah totally. These guys are clearly viewing this as a long-term job opportunity - it just feels so insincere to me. Money talks.
Its not that strange tbh. Tasteless and Artosis is actually paid to live out their dream in korea. To sit and commentate on pro sc2 and get paid for it, of course they will do what they can to boost SC2 so they can keep doing that.
BW is superior to SC2 but sadly SC2 will win the battle.
And the first SC2 GSL game is the Terran just spamming nothing but Marines, not even rallying them all correctly and leaving at least a dozen behind once his initial attack wave starts and still wins with ease.
Oh the tension. The amazingness. I am on the edge of my seat. With awe, you know. Yeah.
SC2 has potential, I won't deny that, but I don't feel it's to a really good point for spectators just yet.
On October 19 2010 19:16 structuralinertia wrote: ggaemo wins LOL, have no idea how
I think after the last battle before the stream switched Calm had a muta count advantage but it wasn't that much; I guess 3 hatch production evened it out faster and ggaemo would have free reign of Calm's unprotected nat (lings sniped spores during the battle)
On October 19 2010 19:16 tyr wrote: There we go. Once again I will probably not stay til the end :/ Original stream is the yaoyuan one. http://yaoyuan.com/live.php
On October 19 2010 19:18 Vortok wrote: And the first SC2 GSL game is the Terran just spamming nothing but Marines, not even rallying them all correctly and leaving at least a dozen behind once his initial attack wave starts and still wins with ease.
Oh the tension. The amazingness. I am on the edge of my seat. With awe, you know. Yeah.
Excellent live report. You should become a SC2 commentator.
On October 19 2010 19:11 Vortok wrote: Can't believe that this game started out 1 base vs 2 in Clam's favor and now it's 3 to 2 in ggaemo's favor.
Also, heard Tasteless effectively say 'Why watch BW when SC2 is out and is totally better.' I understand he has a job at Gom, but whether that's Gom's position that he is just going with or it's his personal opinion... it's a sad comment to hear either way.
He said that?
I understand that some might like StarCraft II over BW, but to me it's a boring game that happens to have a colorful 3D graphics (notice how I don't say easy on the eyes.) I watched every game in the first GSL, and there was only a handful that I actually enjoyed watching; there's really no awe factor in the game for me.
The fact that Tasteless would jump on everyone who loves BW as much as I do is disheartening. I can understand him wanting to promote SCII, but don't force your opinion on me.
To me, when I listen to them, and they keep mentioning how SCII is awesome and how much undiscovered potential is in it on and on again it sounds like they think they can convince THEMSELVES about it if they repeat it enough times... Seriously, I've never heard anyone rambling non-stop about how BW or even WC3 are such a great games. It was a fact and common knowledge, it didn't need to be stated over and over again.
To be fair though, you cant expect SC2 to have as high skilled and entertaining games as the BW pro scen. SC2 will get better and better over time and even though you can argue over the fact that its better to watch BW now, I can see how some people want to be there from the start.
On October 19 2010 19:18 purpose wrote: Its not that strange tbh. Tasteless and Artosis is actually paid to live out their dream in korea. To sit and commentate on pro sc2 and get paid for it, of course they will do what they can to boost SC2 so they can keep doing that.
BW is superior to SC2 but sadly SC2 will win the battle.
That may be so, time will tell.
I've listened to enough of Tasteless and Artosis though to know that those guys just don't do it for me. Too many mistakes regarding unit names, players names, and generally just not very interesting analysis.
Give me the enthusiastic Korean commentary every day of the week. They're so good I still enjoy listening even though I don't understand 99% of what they're saying!
On October 19 2010 19:18 purpose wrote: Its not that strange tbh. Tasteless and Artosis is actually paid to live out their dream in korea. To sit and commentate on pro sc2 and get paid for it, of course they will do what they can to boost SC2 so they can keep doing that.
BW is superior to SC2 but sadly SC2 will win the battle.
Its up to you which one wins, if you don't play and buy SC2 and never watch it. how can it win then))? I've watched and played SC2 for some time at my friends home, but will never buy it, its a nice colourful game, but no more than that, its popularity is boosted with big money and tons of noobs coming out of nowhere, as well as tired of wc3 gamers, that it, I know nobody among strong amateur iCCUP players that fancy SC2, popularity? no, moneymaking hypocrisy? yes
It's not right to hear BW being dissed by professional SC2 commentators. None of the BW commentators diss SC2 when they're commenting on proleague matches so it's rather unprofessional for them to diss BW, even if Gom is their boss now.
On October 19 2010 19:18 Vortok wrote: And the first SC2 GSL game is the Terran just spamming nothing but Marines, not even rallying them all correctly and leaving at least a dozen behind once his initial attack wave starts and still wins with ease.
Oh the tension. The amazingness. I am on the edge of my seat. With awe, you know. Yeah.
Excellent live report. You should become a SC2 commentator.
Already 2-0, and they haven't used the Kong nor M18M. Glad to see Frozen losing, he's the progamer I hate the most. Hopefully Kal and Shuttle should win their game since Ace doesn't have any good vP player.
On October 19 2010 19:26 endy wrote: Already 2-0, and they haven't used the Kong nor M18M. Glad to see Frozen losing, he's the progamer I hate the most. Hopefully Kal and Shuttle should win their game since Ace doesn't have any good vP player.
On October 19 2010 19:11 Vortok wrote: Can't believe that this game started out 1 base vs 2 in Clam's favor and now it's 3 to 2 in ggaemo's favor.
Also, heard Tasteless effectively say 'Why watch BW when SC2 is out and is totally better.' I understand he has a job at Gom, but whether that's Gom's position that he is just going with or it's his personal opinion... it's a sad comment to hear either way.
He said that?
I understand that some might like StarCraft II over BW, but to me it's a boring game that happens to have a colorful 3D graphics (notice how I don't say easy on the eyes.) I watched every game in the first GSL, and there was only a handful that I actually enjoyed watching; there's really no awe factor in the game for me.
The fact that Tasteless would jump on everyone who loves BW as much as I do is disheartening. I can understand him wanting to promote SCII, but don't force your opinion on me.
To me, when I listen to them, and they keep mentioning how SCII is awesome and how much undiscovered potential is in it on and on again it sounds like they think they can convince THEMSELVES about it if they repeat it enough times... Seriously, I've never heard anyone rambling non-stop about how BW or even WC3 are such a great games. It was a fact and common knowledge, it didn't need to be stated over and over again.
Good point, especially if it occurs when they're casting GSL. Seriously, what use would they have saying SCII is such an awesome game which is superior to BW in ever way, when people are already watching the GSL?
I gave SCII a try, and I don't deny that it will probably be more enjoyable to watch over time, but right now it's an eyesore that brings little enjoyment. I doubt they'll ever change the graphics, so it will always be a pain to watch, but if HotS adds some units that bring excitement (like reavers, lurkers, mines, etc did for BW.) then I may give it another chance.
As far as the graphics go, it's just such a pain to watch as a spectator. Even my noobie ass can enjoy playing SCII a bit and the graphics don't bother me too much when I'm playing, but it's a pain to watch.
On October 19 2010 19:18 purpose wrote: Its not that strange tbh. Tasteless and Artosis is actually paid to live out their dream in korea. To sit and commentate on pro sc2 and get paid for it, of course they will do what they can to boost SC2 so they can keep doing that.
BW is superior to SC2 but sadly SC2 will win the battle.
Its up to you which one wins, if you don't play and buy SC2 and never watch it. how can it win then))? I've watched and played SC2 for some time at my friends home, but will never buy it, its a nice colourful game, but no more than that, its popularity is boosted with big money and tons of noobs coming out of nowhere, as well as tired of wc3 gamers, that it, I know nobody among strong amateur iCCUP players that fancy SC2, popularity? no, moneymaking hypocrisy? yes
I played a few weeks in the beta but it sucked so I stopped and went back to BW. I never watch sc2 but often watch BW streams when I can find one.
Still my personal feeling is that as time goes by, SC2 will grow stronger and stronger and by doing so, push down BW further. BW will always be played by a good amount of people, but I think that the pro scen in Korea will eventually die. Especially now since the kespa blizzard relation is so tens.
But hey, nobody would be happier if I was wrong then me. I love BW!
The whole dissing thing is just big brother vs little brother, with SC2 being the latter, and feeling like it has to justify/prove itself all the time.
As long as we, the BW fans, keep supporting it, it has a fighting chance.
BW fighting!
Now back to the more interesting stuff - 2-0 Ace. Time for STX to start showing their depth.
this'll be interesting to see how good trap really is.
I don't know if he was playing seriously, but when I saw him playing in Shanghai he hardly won a best of 5 against Legend who already retired. Terrible army positionning, macro decent at best... which are the two key skills in PvP. Well, let's see !
Trap could've held the counter attack even if the Shuttle was alive, he would've just waited for one more round of units in the main before engaging, that wasn't a game-changer imo, though it certainly helped.
Trap attacking right in the timing when M18M was getting Storm up and not having units sealed it. Great decision making/defenses from Trap that game :D
On October 19 2010 19:18 purpose wrote: Its not that strange tbh. Tasteless and Artosis is actually paid to live out their dream in korea. To sit and commentate on pro sc2 and get paid for it, of course they will do what they can to boost SC2 so they can keep doing that.
BW is superior to SC2 but sadly SC2 will win the battle.
Its up to you which one wins, if you don't play and buy SC2 and never watch it. how can it win then))? I've watched and played SC2 for some time at my friends home, but will never buy it, its a nice colourful game, but no more than that, its popularity is boosted with big money and tons of noobs coming out of nowhere, as well as tired of wc3 gamers, that it, I know nobody among strong amateur iCCUP players that fancy SC2, popularity? no, moneymaking hypocrisy? yes
I played a few weeks in the beta but it sucked so I stopped and went back to BW. I never watch sc2 but often watch BW streams when I can find one.
Still my personal feeling is that as time goes by, SC2 will grow stronger and stronger and by doing so, push down BW further. BW will always be played by a good amount of people, but I think that the pro scen in Korea will eventually die. Especially now since the kespa blizzard relation is so tens.
But hey, nobody would be happier if I was wrong then me. I love BW!
I cant but agree that a many ppl left to sc2, but I do hope its temporary, money cant make you love games, only talent and passion can, all I want is honesty, I didnt like it all with SC2 starting from the very beginning, the advertising campaign, sales, it made me feel like I'm being treated like a pig in a cage, waiting for another tasty bun, anyway enough moaning, I just want my favorite game to live and develop, thats it, I dont care about other different games as long as I like this one, what else do I need?
On October 19 2010 19:18 purpose wrote: Its not that strange tbh. Tasteless and Artosis is actually paid to live out their dream in korea. To sit and commentate on pro sc2 and get paid for it, of course they will do what they can to boost SC2 so they can keep doing that.
BW is superior to SC2 but sadly SC2 will win the battle.
Its up to you which one wins, if you don't play and buy SC2 and never watch it. how can it win then))? I've watched and played SC2 for some time at my friends home, but will never buy it, its a nice colourful game, but no more than that, its popularity is boosted with big money and tons of noobs coming out of nowhere, as well as tired of wc3 gamers, that it, I know nobody among strong amateur iCCUP players that fancy SC2, popularity? no, moneymaking hypocrisy? yes
I played a few weeks in the beta but it sucked so I stopped and went back to BW. I never watch sc2 but often watch BW streams when I can find one.
Still my personal feeling is that as time goes by, SC2 will grow stronger and stronger and by doing so, push down BW further. BW will always be played by a good amount of people, but I think that the pro scen in Korea will eventually die. Especially now since the kespa blizzard relation is so tens.
But hey, nobody would be happier if I was wrong then me. I love BW!
I cant but agree that a many ppl left to sc2, but I do hope its temporary, money cant make you love games, only talent and passion can, all I want is honesty, I didnt like it all with SC2 starting from the very beginning, the advertising campaign, sales, it made me feel like I'm being treated like a pig in a cage, waiting for another tasty bun, anyway enough moaning, I just want my favorite game to live and develop, thats it, I dont care about other different games as long as I like this one, what else do I need?
so you want progamers to starve to death just so they can play your favorite game and entertain you? get real, sc2 is the one with all the money and thats one anyone who is smart and a progamer would play if they aren't already at the top of their current game of choice. these guys need to make a living you know
Guys, seriously, be antagonistic when there aren't games this awesome going on. And don't do this in live report threads. People don't read these in order to catch up on the latest SC2 hate.
On October 19 2010 19:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote: That was unlucky spawn position for Trap, expansions going towards opponent. M18M so lucky, but wasn't enough.
What? Expansion towards the oppponent is usually a good position. You can harass, expand and attack in the same direction. M18M did turn the tables a little on Trap though in this position by playing very agressively, and sacrificing quite some economy for his advance. A heavy 6 gateway attack off 2 bases, taking his sweet time taking the 'obvious' third, and never truly establishing the 4th in the middle - with which he would have shifted the positions into his favor. Not to mention the weird decision of morphing 14-16 templars to archons in a very short timespan. Maybe he thought Trap would transition into DAs with feedback, since he had so many dts out on the field? Or maybe he just figured he wouldnt have the multitasking for effective storms, and concentrated on reaver/shuttle micro instead? Anyway, it seemed like a serious macro slip to me.
Losing that shuttle didnt change that much, it was already a miracle he almost saved both reavers and the shuttle after flying headfirst into dragoons, too bad he got too greedy after the amazing micro, and didnt sacrifice one of them.
... Have I said yet this was a great game? :-p Anyway, onto the next now.
On October 19 2010 19:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote: That was unlucky spawn position for Trap, expansions going towards opponent. M18M so lucky, but wasn't enough.
What? Expansion towards the oppponent is usually a good position. You can harass, expand and attack in the same direction. M18M did turn the tables a little on Trap though in this position by playing very agressively, and sacrificing quite some economy for his advance. A heavy 6 gateway attack off 2 bases, taking his sweet time taking the 'obvious' third, and never truly establishing the 4th in the middle - with which he would have shifted the positions into his favor. Not to mention the weird decision of morphing 14-16 templars to archons in a very short timespan. Maybe he thought Trap would transition into DAs with feedback, since he had so many dts out on the field? Or maybe he just figured he wouldnt have the multitasking for effective storms, and concentrated on reaver/shuttle micro instead? Anyway, it seemed like a serious macro slip to me.
Losing that shuttle didnt change that much, it was already a miracle he almost saved both reavers and the shuttle after flying headfirst into dragoons, too bad he got too greedy after the amazing micro, and didnt sacrifice one of them.
... Have I said yet this was a great game? :-p Anyway, onto the next now.
For TvP expansions going towards enemy is good but PvP not.
Classic played this really well, that double expand to 4 bases sealed the deal early on. He walked into some minefields to make it seem close, but it wasnt
On October 19 2010 21:04 538 wrote: fun facts/trivia: Rock is the only protoss to ever beat Jaedong in a BoX, and Shuttle has the highest PvP ELO currently.
Wrong. Tempest did it once. And Stork has done it several times.
On October 19 2010 21:04 538 wrote: fun facts/trivia: Rock is the only protoss to ever beat Jaedong in a BoX, and Shuttle has the highest PvP ELO currently.
On October 19 2010 21:04 538 wrote: fun facts/trivia: Rock is the only protoss to ever beat Jaedong in a BoX, and Shuttle has the highest PvP ELO currently.
Wrong. Tempest did it once.
aw really? I fail at trivia edit: I guess it's true for Bo5 then?
On October 19 2010 21:04 538 wrote: fun facts/trivia: Rock is the only protoss to ever beat Jaedong in a BoX, and Shuttle has the highest PvP ELO currently.
On October 19 2010 21:04 538 wrote: fun facts/trivia: Rock is the only protoss to ever beat Jaedong in a BoX, and Shuttle has the highest PvP ELO currently.
On October 19 2010 21:04 538 wrote: fun facts/trivia: Rock is the only protoss to ever beat Jaedong in a BoX, and Shuttle has the highest PvP ELO currently.
On October 19 2010 21:04 538 wrote: fun facts/trivia: Rock is the only protoss to ever beat Jaedong in a BoX, and Shuttle has the highest PvP ELO currently.
Wrong. Tempest did it once.
gom classic and wcg doesn't count
Free in MSL then.
He has never been beaten in a Bo5 though. ^__^
Yes he was, and that was Rock
Back in 2007, in "OnGameNet StarChallenge Season 1" TLPD
On October 19 2010 21:26 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyone know which game was that long epic ZvZ shown in between 4th and 5th set?
You mean it wasnt game 2 of this set? I didnt see it, maybe you could describe what you saw? Map, or even just tileset + some army composition info, and TL members will find it out in no time
On October 19 2010 21:04 538 wrote: fun facts/trivia: Rock is the only protoss to ever beat Jaedong in a BoX, and Shuttle has the highest PvP ELO currently.
Wrong. Tempest did it once.
gom classic and wcg doesn't count
Free in MSL then.
He has never been beaten in a Bo5 though. ^__^
Yes he was, and that was Rock
Back in 2007, in "OnGameNet StarChallenge Season 1" TLPD
Well Rock was on fire that tournament... Beating Flash too
I was begging for him to attack after his hold and 5th gate. He shoulda hit after making that first round of units. But who am I kidding. It's Rock. It's always better his way.
EPT
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