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matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
August 04 2010 10:38 GMT
#401
Gogogogo Hydra~! Beat Jaedong!

(do it for Yum Bo Sung~)
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 10:38:52
August 04 2010 10:38 GMT
#402
WTF? What do you do with that kind of apm that early in the game?
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 04 2010 10:38 GMT
#403
Panic... Panicking is a good +50apm at least, it's only a click a second.. when a pro panics, it has to at least spazz to +150apm for the moment or so. It's as much mind game as technical ability.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 04 2010 10:38 GMT
#404
On August 04 2010 19:37 dukethegold wrote:
Anybody know the highest apm ever recorded?

I have never seen 600+ apm scores before.


for average or peak? i could sit in a game and bash the shit out of my keyboard for a nice chunky peak score if you want
HEY MEYT
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
August 04 2010 10:38 GMT
#405
JAEDONG FIGHTING!

(please, please, please, don't screw this up...)
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 04 2010 10:38 GMT
#406
On August 04 2010 19:37 dukethegold wrote:
Anybody know the highest apm ever recorded?

I have never seen 600+ apm scores before.




4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
August 04 2010 10:38 GMT
#407
it is a standard push vs 2 hatch you just cut 2 scv so you dont need a 3th depot but get the gas/aca instead.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 04 2010 10:39 GMT
#408
stop trying to look cool jaedong.. please just win
Brood War loyalist
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 10:42:50
August 04 2010 10:39 GMT
#409
On August 04 2010 19:35 matjlav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 19:32 dukethegold wrote:
On August 04 2010 19:24 matjlav wrote:
On August 04 2010 19:23 sAAvior wrote:
Flash should play protoss or zerg to give other guys a fighting chance...


that wasn't even Flash being good. that was just Hyuk being an idiot.


Correct me if I am wrong, but Hyuk used Zero's fast muta build, which consists of early gas, low early game army into faster than standard muta timing, keeping around 8 muta alive to box Terran inside his base while the Zerg immediately expands and quick tech to hive.

It's a pretty dangerous build that counters Flash's standard 1 rax cc, assuming that the Zerg's muta control is spot on. Zero defeated Flash straight up with that build. Considering how friendly Dreamliner is to muta harass, Hyuk executed the correct build. He needed to take risks in order to win against Flash.

Unfortunately, Flash seems to be also aware of the exact same possibility and time countered it exactly.


Flash's push was standard. If you haven't noticed, it happens in every single TvZ. Hyuk didn't build sunkens. Hyuk lost.


No...that push timing wasn't standard...just like it is not standard for the zerg to produce only 4 lings as opposed to 6.

In a standard 1 rax cc early pressure build, the goal is to force the zerg to make sunkens. Rarely can the terran actually finish off the Zerg right there and then because the zerg should have enough of an eco to support at least 2 sunkens with half a control group of lings.

Hyuk saw the marines with his overlord, yet he built only one.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 04 2010 10:39 GMT
#410
JD has to win.

Even tho it's JvZ, all ZvZ are really heart-wrenching because of the fickle nature of the MU.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 10:40:38
August 04 2010 10:40 GMT
#411
On August 04 2010 19:37 Katsuge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 19:35 matjlav wrote:
On August 04 2010 19:32 dukethegold wrote:
On August 04 2010 19:24 matjlav wrote:
On August 04 2010 19:23 sAAvior wrote:
Flash should play protoss or zerg to give other guys a fighting chance...


that wasn't even Flash being good. that was just Hyuk being an idiot.


Correct me if I am wrong, but Hyuk used Zero's fast muta build, which consists of early gas, low early game army into faster than standard muta timing, keeping around 8 muta alive to box Terran inside his base while the Zerg immediately expands and quick tech to hive.

It's a pretty dangerous build that counters Flash's standard 1 rax cc, assuming that the Zerg's muta control is spot on. Zero defeated Flash straight up with that build. Considering how friendly Dreamliner is to muta harass, Hyuk executed the correct build. He needed to take risks in order to win against Flash.

Unfortunately, Flash seems to be also aware of the exact same possibility and time countered it exactly.


Flash's push was standard. If you haven't noticed, it happens in every single TvZ. Hyuk didn't build sunkens. Hyuk lost.

that wasnt a standard push...its a much faster timing than normal..


People keep saying this, but I don't see how. I was watching the supply counters at the beginning and Flash went rax at 20, gas at 22 (or maybe 23), which is perfectly standard.
LetMeShine
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
979 Posts
August 04 2010 10:40 GMT
#412
Ahhh its good for the top players to be tested once in a while.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
August 04 2010 10:40 GMT
#413
lol @ that graph. JD's got it all
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
August 04 2010 10:40 GMT
#414
JvZ anyone?
Xstatic
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States765 Posts
August 04 2010 10:40 GMT
#415
APM =/= skill
Flash timed everything and a-moved his rines into Hyuk's nat

Hyuk wasn't expecting it so early, especially since 2 hatch muta is supposed to give him the aggressive edge. He clearly didn't prepare for it even after Flash's rines moved out; 1 sunk can't stop a 10 rine push
Pretty sure I saw Flash cut scvs (idle CCs for a macro king?) for that superfast push
Snow - Protoss the way it was meant to be, one mindgame at a time ^^
MeiDango
Profile Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
August 04 2010 10:41 GMT
#416
FIGHTO JAEDONG FIGHTO! I really want Jaedong to win OSL...
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 04 2010 10:41 GMT
#417
[06:38] Can you imagine how wet the girls in Jaedong's booths must be?
[06:38] shenghi: lmfao
[06:38] JD about to devour a nerd
[06:38] so do they stand there for like
[06:38] an hour sometimes
[06:38] <@Jaedong> WET AS FUCK YO
[06:38] slipping on the floor
[06:38] <@Jaedong> SO HUMID IN HERE
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
zmeqt
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria527 Posts
August 04 2010 10:41 GMT
#418
Go Hydra !You`ve already done it once,you can do it again !
the slogans
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
August 04 2010 10:41 GMT
#419
If JD loses, he's 0-2 with two 2-0 players in his group, so this is must-win.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 04 2010 10:43 GMT
#420
jaedong looked so much cooler back in ever 07..now he just looks tired and old lol

HEY MEYT
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