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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 01:15:15
July 23 2010 01:14 GMT
#901
On July 23 2010 09:21 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 07:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:49 matjlav wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote:
He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.


I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.


Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore


Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...

As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".


An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.

Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~

And I don't even like Bisu
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 23 2010 01:25 GMT
#902
Hey look, everyone who's out of the playoffs beat everyone who's in the playoffs. Never would have seen that coming (although I was pulling for Bisu)
May the BeSt man win.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 23 2010 01:31 GMT
#903
On July 23 2010 09:28 elmoscousin wrote:
i have a question, why didnt bisu make any units?

Interceptors are pricey when you have more than about 4 carriers.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
July 23 2010 01:38 GMT
#904
On July 23 2010 05:35 Grobyc wrote:
SEA MAKES IT TO RO8 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

As some might say....
You done goofed.
I hope bisu pulls through tho. He really needs this :D
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
July 23 2010 01:51 GMT
#905
Yeah, I totally didn't realize that it has actually been a full 2 days since MBC got knocked out of PL. I guess that could have an effect, but I still wouldn't want to take anything away from Sea's victory.

On July 23 2010 10:38 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 05:35 Grobyc wrote:
SEA MAKES IT TO RO8 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

As some might say....
You done goofed.
I hope bisu pulls through tho. He really needs this :D


Sea needs this, too. Sure, Bisu hasn't been looking so hot lately, but he has 3 MSL golds. Sea has never even made it to the Ro8 of an individual league as far as I know, and he really deserves to.

It makes me sad that Sea and Bisu had to get matched up; both of them could really use a confidence booster. But it would just kill me if Sea got knocked out of both leagues at the Ro16 again.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 23 2010 02:08 GMT
#906
On July 23 2010 10:25 Djabanete wrote:
Hey look, everyone who's out of the playoffs beat everyone who's in the playoffs. Never would have seen that coming (although I was pulling for Bisu)

Yes, but... limited sample size (3), and the favorite won two of those games. When you look at it that way, it's not so cut and dry.
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
July 23 2010 02:47 GMT
#907
I'd agree that most of the fail from Bisu was from committing his ground army way too early that game; and expanding towards Sea's lines to a double gas when he should have been getting mins for all those interceptors instead of parallel to it, which would have given him more resources and more opportunities to flank Sea. With that said, he has a difficult road to go through if he wants to advance. |f Sea advances, I want to see him do well, he deserves it. :p
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Tempest[OEC]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States417 Posts
July 23 2010 02:52 GMT
#908
Im confident that Bisu can turn this around and win 2-1. However, Sea is a very strong player and he can take this series as well. That said...

Kim Taek Shin Fighting!
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10348 Posts
July 23 2010 03:05 GMT
#909
I will never be a fan of fantasy, but I will thank him when he rids this MSL of Hyuk... Bisu's carrier control was so horrible. >_<
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 23 2010 03:42 GMT
#910
MBCs win
SKTs lose
Fantasy Wins
EffOrt Wins
Foxes lose
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
July 23 2010 03:45 GMT
#911
On July 23 2010 10:14 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 09:21 mog87 wrote:
On July 23 2010 07:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:49 matjlav wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote:
He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.


I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.


Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore


Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...

As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".


An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.

Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~

And I don't even like Bisu


I think their preparation was equivalent..and the fanboy comment wasn't directed at you specifically..but hey just calling it like I see it.
Dynamix
Profile Joined June 2010
Russian Federation63 Posts
July 23 2010 05:11 GMT
#912
On July 23 2010 08:11 KumquatExpress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 06:49 Dynamix wrote:
As a rule, gamer who wins 1st game passes Ro16. Sad but true


Got any stats to back that up?


For sure.
Look at last MSL. No one made comeback in Ro16 after fail in first day.
Nate MSL 1/8
Avalon MSL 0/8
Lost Saga MSL 3/8
Club Day MSL 0/8
Arena MSL 2/8
GOM TV 4 MSL 2/8
GOM TV 3 MSL 2/8
GOM TV 2 MSL 2/8
Bisu fan
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 23 2010 05:15 GMT
#913
If players are of equal skill then the player who lost on the first day has a 25% chance to come back and win the series, so 2/8 would be a reasonable average.

But the more skilled player usually wins game 1, so that's why the average is more like 1/8.
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
July 23 2010 05:58 GMT
#914
On July 23 2010 12:45 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 10:14 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 23 2010 09:21 mog87 wrote:
On July 23 2010 07:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:49 matjlav wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote:
He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.


I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.


Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore


Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...

As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".


An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.

Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~

And I don't even like Bisu


I think their preparation was equivalent..and the fanboy comment wasn't directed at you specifically..but hey just calling it like I see it.


Its interesting because the way I see it is that Flash fanboys, close followed by Jaedong and Bisu are the worst on tl.net.

I mean read a topic after Flash lose a game and you will see 50pages of excuses and blames on the opponent for being gay or lame etc.

In the end, all great and popular players will have a huge fanbase, and with a huge fanbase follows alot of frustration when that player lose. Its always been like that and it always will.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
July 23 2010 07:57 GMT
#915
Triumphant Bisu Return or Potential Sea in RO8? Shit is exciting!
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 23 2010 09:00 GMT
#916
On July 23 2010 14:58 purpose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 12:45 mog87 wrote:
On July 23 2010 10:14 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 23 2010 09:21 mog87 wrote:
On July 23 2010 07:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:49 matjlav wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote:
He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.


I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.


Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore


Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...

As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".


An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.

Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~

And I don't even like Bisu


I think their preparation was equivalent..and the fanboy comment wasn't directed at you specifically..but hey just calling it like I see it.


Its interesting because the way I see it is that Flash fanboys, close followed by Jaedong and Bisu are the worst on tl.net.

It's almost like the most dominant players have the most fans, and the players with the most fans are the most likely to have annoying fans!
May the BeSt man win.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 23 2010 09:18 GMT
#917
relax, if bisu played normally without throwing all his shit down the toilet against those depots, then he wouldve taken the game pretty comfortably

bisu for the 2-1
HEY MEYT
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
July 23 2010 15:27 GMT
#918
Wait, is Bisu still in the MSL?
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
July 23 2010 15:35 GMT
#919
On July 23 2010 18:00 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 14:58 purpose wrote:
On July 23 2010 12:45 mog87 wrote:
On July 23 2010 10:14 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 23 2010 09:21 mog87 wrote:
On July 23 2010 07:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:49 matjlav wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote:
He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.


I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.


Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore


Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...

As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".


An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.

Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~

And I don't even like Bisu


I think their preparation was equivalent..and the fanboy comment wasn't directed at you specifically..but hey just calling it like I see it.


Its interesting because the way I see it is that Flash fanboys, close followed by Jaedong and Bisu are the worst on tl.net.

It's almost like the most dominant players have the most fans, and the players with the most fans are the most likely to have annoying fans!


Just because you are a ____ fanboy, it does make you annoying. Its just that some annoying people happen to be a ____ fanboy.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 23 2010 18:36 GMT
#920
On July 23 2010 14:15 jalstar wrote:
If players are of equal skill then the player who lost on the first day has a 25% chance to come back and win the series, so 2/8 would be a reasonable average.

But the more skilled player usually wins game 1, so that's why the average is more like 1/8.

You realize you just opened the "Are Sea and Bisu equally skilled?" can of worms, right?

On July 23 2010 16:57 cgrinker wrote:
Triumphant Bisu Return or Potential Sea in RO8? Shit is exciting!

I want Bisu to come back, but at the same time, Sea in the Ro8 has been a long time coming.
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