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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 11:13:07
July 22 2010 11:12 GMT
#701
On July 22 2010 20:06 Doraemon wrote:
why didnt you just play standard,,,,

Every time someone's favorite player loses, someone says "why didn't he just play standard?"

Look:
1) Carriers are standard on PR, and often in TvP as well.
2) You can't just "play standard" and win. What does that even mean? If a player "played standard" all the time, then they wouldn't win a single game, because they'd get sniped each and every game. The best players, like Flash, fantasy, Jaedong, EffOrt, and yes, Bisu, are the best players in no small part because they are very good at knowing how to play against their opponents and the map, and not just "standard". B-teamers know how to play standard. A-teamers know how to win.

There's only one instance where this criticism is valid, and it's when a player takes an unnecessary risk on a map they should win. If a T goes BBS on a map that's hugely T>P favored, and loses with it, then yeah, question it. But when a (P)Bisu goes carriers on a fantastic carrier map, and loses the lead through his own fault and his opponent's smart play, then it has nothing to do with being "standard" or not, it has something to do with being outplayed.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
July 22 2010 11:12 GMT
#702
This game should be epic Hyuk Hwaiting!!
I wrote a song once.
Oozo
Profile Joined December 2009
Finland432 Posts
July 22 2010 11:13 GMT
#703
Would be really funny to see both trying to cheese here.
SKT for OSL!
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 22 2010 11:14 GMT
#704
On July 22 2010 20:12 Jackal03 wrote:
it's time for bad TvZ vs dreadful ZvT


he's been playing well geez
HEY MEYT
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
July 22 2010 11:14 GMT
#705
Hyuk turns the overlord with impeccable speed when it sees the scv. What a genius.
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
July 22 2010 11:14 GMT
#706
Looks pretty normal TvZ, no sneaky cheese here and there for both players.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#707
12hatch from Hyuk
Fantasy's Rax starts and he scouts counterclockwise

Hyuk's OL sees the SCV heading that way and changes direction immediately

pool starts

Fantasy sent out 2 scvs to scout?

Hyuk's drone confirms Fantasy's base and no expo yet, then leaves

Fantasy's SCV sees the 3rd hatch in main and he himself takes his nat
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
July 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#708
Lol norwegian guy!!
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
July 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#709
On July 22 2010 20:11 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 20:08 Murderotica wrote:
On July 22 2010 20:06 matjlav wrote:
On July 22 2010 20:03 purpose wrote:
Seemed like Bisu was to hot to push down on Seas turret line. Sea could just sit there and defend and mass up golis.

Was it seas positioning that was great, or was Bisu just playing really really bad?


It was more just the fact that Bisu played exactly how Sea wanted him to, suiciding his army into that huge barricade of tanks, depots, mines, turrets, and goliaths.

It really attests to the carrier imba on this map that Bisu actually came close to breaking through -_-

Yea you're right, any map where carriers stand a chance against goliaths is imbalanced. Everyone knows that in most situations goliaths out-gay the carriers.

Your third "goliaths are imba" post in this thread....stop talking rubbish

Looking forward to fantasy hyuking himself :D

Your first self-righteous post in this thread...stop pretending to be a moderator

Looking forward to a day when users with Terran icons will realize that I am just answering their carrier complains :D
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
July 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#710
Fanta delaying the CC 5-6 seconds, hiding it from scouting drone.
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 11:16:01
July 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#711
Another TL sign LOLOL; and Hyuk once again having weak anti-scouting lings.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#712
lol cheerful
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
July 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#713
hooray TL.net sign!
@NvPinder on twitter | Member of Gamecom Nv | http://www.clan-ta.com | http://www.youtube.com/user/ftrunkz | http://www.twitchtv.com/xghpinder
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
July 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#714
hmm fantasy taking a risk chasing a lord down
I wrote a song once.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 22 2010 11:16 GMT
#715
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p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
July 22 2010 11:16 GMT
#716
At least Fantasy doesn't go 1 base all-in this time LOL!
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 22 2010 11:16 GMT
#717
Fantasy sending 3 marines forwards - risky - but there's no OL to pick off

4 lings out chasing the scouting scv - 2 hits so far
2 more from the nat - the SCV sees the lair go up on the way out - haha Fantasy turns it around and gets back into the main!
finally the scv is killed

pretty early ebay!
Academy started, bunker being added at Fantasy's nat
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 22 2010 11:17 GMT
#718
On July 22 2010 20:12 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 20:06 Doraemon wrote:
why didnt you just play standard,,,,

Every time someone's favorite player loses, someone says "why didn't he just play standard?"

Look:
1) Carriers are standard on PR, and often in TvP as well.
2) You can't just "play standard" and win. What does that even mean? If a player "played standard" all the time, then they wouldn't win a single game, because they'd get sniped each and every game. The best players, like Flash, fantasy, Jaedong, EffOrt, and yes, Bisu, are the best players in no small part because they are very good at knowing how to play against their opponents and the map, and not just "standard". B-teamers know how to play standard. A-teamers know how to win.

There's only one instance where this criticism is valid, and it's when a player takes an unnecessary risk on a map they should win. If a T goes BBS on a map that's hugely T>P favored, and loses with it, then yeah, question it. But when a (P)Bisu goes carriers on a fantastic carrier map, and loses the lead through his own fault and his opponent's smart play, then it has nothing to do with being "standard" or not, it has something to do with being outplayed.

Well, Bisu in general is pretty bad with Carriers compared to his Arbiter play, and has the capability to do amazing things with an Arbiter/ground army composition on maps that were considered T-imba unless you went Carriers (Katrina anyone?). Unless he can really come to understand how to use Carriers, I think he should stay far away from them..
Writerptrk
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 11:17:23
July 22 2010 11:17 GMT
#719
Spire going up for Hyuk

Finally getting second rax
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 22 2010 11:17 GMT
#720
fantasy builds a bunker, he knows whatsup lol
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