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Predictions:+ Show Spoiler + Hwaseung OZHwaseung OZ is infamous for being a one-man team. And that one man is Lee Jae Dong he has been carrying his team for seasons now, and it finally seems as if some of his teammates will begin to step up and actually earn their spot on the front line. As such, I don't really like to talk about Jaedong in these predictions, because everyone knows what he is doing. He is pretty much under a thing I like to call "The Dong Average", but he is still way above the average player. Although a spark of his legendary JvZ has begun to manifest again. He is definitely on an upward rise. However, the real aspect of Hwaseung OZ, in my opinion, that is turning them into a stronger team, is HiyA and others stepping up their game. HiyA is playing good Starcraft at the moment, expect strong things from him. What Hwaseung OZ really needs though is a strong, dependable third player. And the question is will it be Killer or Lomo who will round off the main roster of Hwaseung OZ? All in all, Hwaseung OZ is a lot stronger as a team than they were a couple of weeks ago, in my opinion.
eSTROeSTRO is a wild-card team, in my opinion. A while ago I thought Really would challenge Sea as the strong, overshadowed Terran. But my opinion of that has changed greatly. Really has fallen from that spot in my opinion. While he is still good, I don't believe he is at the level of other S-Class players that I once compared him to. However, his Terran partner Classic seems to be tearing things up. And I expect things to continue in that fashion. Classic seems like a well-rounded player. Action is another one of those players who I can't put a finger on. It surprises me when he loses, and it surprises me when he wins. Which makes him pretty fun to watch. All in all, anything can happen when you are playing eSTRO, which doesn't necessarily make them a strong team. But a team to be wary of.
Lomo < Polaris Rhapsody > FlyingeSTRO sends out their only active Protoss, Flying, in an attempt to snipe the game from HiyA, I think OZ counters this by sending out not HiyA, but Lomo. Jaedong < Match Point > ReallyThe two titans of each team fight in the match of the night. Expect doom drops, bunker rushes! Anything is possible! I think Match Point is a well-rounded map that the strongest player usually wins on, so I expect Jaedong to played here. I actually don't expect Really to be sent out... I just hope he does. Killer < Judgment Day > ActionOZ is saving HiyA for Roadrunner and eSTRO is saving Classic. Thus they both send out their only other options. HiyA < Roadrunner > ClassicTwo strong Terran players duke it out on this map that I don't really like! Hopefully they will show me that TvT isn't always boring! (Yeah I still sorta believe that!) Hwaseung OZ 3 > 1 eSTRO
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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Umm are the spoilers not working for anyone else... ? Trying to check the predictions I just editted in and the spoilers aren't working....
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i smell really getting dismantled at the hands of another mediocre zerg :/
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On May 16 2010 12:48 tbrown47 wrote: Umm are the spoilers not working for anyone else... ? Trying to check the predictions I just editted in and the spoilers aren't working.... Not working for me either.
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On May 16 2010 12:50 ohN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 12:48 tbrown47 wrote: Umm are the spoilers not working for anyone else... ? Trying to check the predictions I just editted in and the spoilers aren't working.... Not working for me either.
All that typing for nothing : [
Edit: They'll come back! I just know they will! R1CH!!!
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The spoilers are not working for me either, not just in this thread but all threads.
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Set 1: Jaedong vs. Flying.
Yay, finally JvP after so long.
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JD vs Really would be fun (tho Really is meh at TvZ).
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eSTRO historically does pretty well against OZ, but I don't see it happening here. Really's TvZ is so bad I don't even think he can beat Killer.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
ahh after about 6months or so i get to see Oz's game live! lets go JD!
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jaedong vs gosiflying
jaedong ZvP FINALLY. Awesome start.
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Wow, Jaedong hasn't played a zvp in months. Looking forward to this. :D
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I wanna see Flying try his arbiter shit on JD..he's gonna get so destroyed lol.
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I guess I'll keep updating the spoilers in case they come back... Hopefully I don't make some dumb mistake since I can't check them at all > _ <
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Jaedong first! Vs Flying.
Sorry but Jaedong rapes toss whereas we have Flash vs Effort on the other stream. Sorry JD have to watch that .
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Game 1 Polaris Rhapsody
Jaedong spawns bottom right
Flying spawns top left
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Jaedong going for hatch first with jaedrones shooing away the probe.
edit: wtf im blind i missed the pool
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Lings are out now...Flying not worried with cross positions so warps nexus before cannons
Jaedong takes his third at the double gas corner position
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I was going to watch this game.. but CJ vs. KT had a surprise for me :D.
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standard 3 hatch vs forge fe.
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Hey, is there anyway to dual stream with ustream?
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Stargate being thrown down....scouting probe stayed in main for the entire duration so does not know the timing of the lair, which was made at the natural....
spire gets thrown down shortly after
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Game is pretty boring so far. Flying's stargate is about to finish and Jaedong just started his spire.
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Overlord suicides into Flying's main to see whats up.
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Zealots heading for Jaedong's third get spotted by scourge.
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Zealots are afraid of the dong and run away like little girls. Archives is up and corsairs are flying around raping scourge.
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Zealots get shooed by hydra and corsairs rape like 5 overlords. That looks hella annoying. Lurkers morphing.
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This thread is so empty compared to the kt vs cj one lol.
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Jaedong going into macro mode, not afraid of the zealots threatening to leave flying's base, or the corsairs scouting around!
I believe he's up to 4 hatches
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Flying fails at stormz. 3rd gas is going up though.
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Two storms fail to hit aburrowed lurk. lol. Flying took his third at 9 and jaedong taking the mineral only as his 4th.
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Jaedong still hasn't expanded past his 3rd.....
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Flying has a scaryass ball of protoss shit. 4 base vs 4 base now.
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Flying keeps getting caught in awkward positions. This is not so good for him. At least he has plenty of money.
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Jaedong prepping a doom drop.
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Massive drop in Flying's main aaaand he has no clue. Bye bye.
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Drop in main from JD
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Holy shit Flying just lost like 10 gateways.
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doom drop takes out a shitload of gateways and buildings! Cracklings ftw! Great trade for JD, only losing a droneless expansion
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Doom drop means for death...
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and that's the way the cookie crumbles..
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Crackling are so ridiculous in damage output.
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Flying now has no gateways. 5th gets raped as well.
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did he even try to defend it?
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plague on archons.... doesn't do shit. Flying is contained by lurker/defiler for now.
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Jaedong lurkerlingdefilering like its zvt. Flying loses his mineral only. Jaedong got this.
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Flying is losing all of his bases now. Time to GG
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DAMN, Jaedong strangled this game to ground in the blink of an eye.
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Flying using corsairs to pick off overlords and stay int hsi game
Huge lurker ling army knocking at the front now....EPIC STORMS take most of them out....
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JD destroying everything.. Flying needs to GG -_-
GG from Flying =]
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Hydras are out, cleaning up corsairs....
lurker ling defilers push up onto the ramp and even high temps and reavers can't keep them back now....
A full on attack on the gateways again
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GG! Jaedong showing no mercy!
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poor flying
Playing vs Jaedong as protoss is as playing vs Flash
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This is nice. I'm rooting for estro to win the match but I always want JD to win. Just win the next 3 estro!
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GG
I seriously thought flying was in the lead until that doom drop. But he just melted. Losing every gateway in your main is pretty painful.
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Meh, stream kept loading at the end, so I missed it :/
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Hmm this was Jaedong's first vP in a long time...
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
hot stuff! for a second i thought JD was in trouble
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Damn, that drop did so much damage.
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Russian Federation405 Posts
On May 16 2010 13:31 flamewheel91 wrote: Hmm this was Jaedong's first vP in a long time... since JD’s win over Kal (two months and week ago) there were 32 ZvT & JvZ and 0 ZvP…
edit: typo
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One of the best doom drops I've seen. The game went from being even to sealing the deal for JD after that drop.
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On May 16 2010 13:31 flamewheel91 wrote: Hmm this was Jaedong's first vP in a long time...
Yeah, between this and his last ZvP there are 32 games.
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it was 4 bases vs 4 bases then suddenly jaedong decided he had enough and ended it :/
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oh nooooooo why did lomo change his name to heung2???
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Lomo vs Really!
heung2 vs Seiya!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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Damn TvTs....I feel like the epicness of today isn't going to get any higher
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On May 16 2010 13:41 razorsuKe wrote: oh nooooooo why did lomo change his name to heung2???
homo for lomo -> hung for heung?
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Set 2 Match Point
Lomo spawns as the orange terran at bottom left
Really spawns as the white terran at top right
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fun fact: really is 10-2 on match point
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Really is really afraid of proxies wtf hella early scv scouting the crap out of everything. Too bad lomo is going rax cc.
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On May 16 2010 13:45 De4ngus wrote: Really is really afraid of proxies wtf hella early scv scouting the crap out of everything. Too bad lomo is going rax cc.
Really just got played hard core.
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Really is responding by going vulture -> expand.
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Tonight has very good SPL matches... Lomo :S I believe in the homo!
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Both players playing similarly, with Lomo's expansion a bit faster but his factory a bit slower
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Really getting a starport far up at the top of his base....
Lomo most likely has no idea and is getting his 2nd factory
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Starport going up for really and he's checking for more proxies lol? So paranoid.
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Lomo has 3 factories and Really is going for a vulture drop. Lomo will probably be ready for this.
edit: jk he's getting cloak so wraiths are coming.
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Armory and academy going up in response but cloaked wraiths are already raping lomo. That's pretty sucky.
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2 wraiths harassing the scv at the armory
Cloak takes care of the wraith that just popped up.... He's doing a good job in ensuring the academy/armory take as long as possible to finish.
Turrets are also going down and will probably save Lomo. Armory is finished
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51461 Posts
On May 16 2010 13:44 Megaman703 wrote: heung2?
heungee?
흥이
apparently means 'hyped' in korean
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Turrets are up and Lomo is taking his mineral only expo. Barracks goes down to wraith. Ohhhh drop incoming from really. Lomo doesn't have shit ready for this.
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On May 16 2010 13:51 GTR wrote:흥이 apparently means 'hyped' in korean
Makes sense..after his recent string of wins.
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Could not tell how effective that drop was but Really is now expanding and Lomo is getting another starport.
Really pushing out.
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Empty thread is empty  But KT vs CJ has good games going right now, so yeah...
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Both players has 4ths up now..... SIGH TVT SO BORING.
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Really sets up his tank line and a few turrets just outside Lomo's 4th. Yes I agree TvT is really boring :/
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Really is slowly taking more of the map than Lomo.....
3 more starports from Really making wraith.
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Really is freeing up supply now by suiciding half his scvs.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
now its gonna take another 20mins for lomo to give up ;<
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Not looking good for Lomo....falling to a shitload of wraiths from Really
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Battlecruisers are out for Really. I don't think Lomo can win anymore.
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This matchup is so boring... GG finally.
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1-1... Man I haven't even paid attention tonight to this :S
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Now it's Hiya/Killer vs Action/hyvaa?
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let's face it lomo is a TvP sniper
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On May 16 2010 14:12 o[twist] wrote:let's face it lomo is a TvP sniper  Deep 6 that 2base Carrier up bro.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
yhyh another mediocre TvT
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
gah another TvT
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man estro/oz coaches REALLY dont want this thread to go over 10 pages lol
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Holy crap, Classic can give Stats's chin a run for its money.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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On May 16 2010 14:19 KizZBG wrote: was excepting Action You're right.
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Wow.... all my predictions so close... swap Jaedong/Lomo... Hiya vs Classic a game before... if its Killer vs Action next I rage.
One day... perfect predictions...
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Hmmm TvT... Guess I can watch the other thread now! Where + Show Spoiler + is ongoing now~!
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Hiya is putting on some pressure..oshit vulture gets by and kills a bunch of scvs. Sees everything too.
Hopefully this game ends earlier.
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Classic is proxying a starport.....
Dang it works. He raped Hiya's wraiths and Hiya is retreating all of his tanks.
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classic sniped 3 tanks with wraiths.
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Hiya makes a valkyrie but it gets raped by cloaked wraith.
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Tank drop looks pretty annoying. Hiya is sending out all of his scvs from the nat?
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lol hiya using scvs to break contain
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Whoa wraiths almost snipe the tank on high ground but is survives with like 6 hp or whatever that was I'm blind.
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Rofl tank drop fail. That was some nice tank positioning by Hiya.
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Yeahh, you can do it HiyA!
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Tank drop on Chin's cliff but Hiya loses his 4th on the other side of the map.
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TvT is so annoying wtf is this game. Also Hiya has terrible scouting.
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classic destroyed that game
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GG Hiya gets chinned in a weird game.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
please Oz dont do this to JD now..
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Man hiya had that one. Tough loss.
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What teh hell happened to Hiya?
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On May 16 2010 14:43 InTheFade wrote: What teh hell happened to Hiya?
This.
Did he lose all his mojo after the game 4 against free?
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This was actually a rather good TvT.
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On May 16 2010 14:43 InTheFade wrote: What teh hell happened to Hiya?
JD got better. Oz has this only one good player at a time rule.
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On May 16 2010 14:43 InTheFade wrote: What teh hell happened to Hiya?
clearly having his wraith nuke strat lose has affected him mentally.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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On May 16 2010 14:45 lixlix wrote:clearly having his wraith nuke strat lose has affected him mentally.
Something broke in him when Free built a CC. Seriously though, losing a series you where leading 2-0 in such a late stage of a SL has to be pretty hard on you (especially when you have never gotten that for in a SL before).
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don't suppose you can dual stream with ustream, like we used to be able with livestream??
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Poor OZ (Jaedong). Damn Chin Terran!
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
please let us get to the ACE killer!
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Killer vs Action ZvZ
Comeon Killer!! bring it to Ace match!
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action with really early shit and scouts the right way
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ZvZ incoming... Don't fail Killer. Seriously. You have to win since eSTRO has nothing to counter Jaedong. Also with this post the last 8 people have been OZ fans :O
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This cannot be happening.
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lol 12 hatch vs 9 pool.. raped?
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Well BO losses are pretty lame, cheering for the underdog now!
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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uh oh. Action 9pool gas vs 12 hatch
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ahahahahahaha gonna rollllll
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Shit I was afk. 9 pool speed vs 12 hatch?
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WOW, insane micro by Killer.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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Hatch finishes, and continues to get attacked. Killer pulling 8 drones to try and fend off till the lings come, saves the hatch (in the red), loses 5 drones (and a lot of mining time).
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
So many drones pulled for Killer... Shit can he save the hatch?
THE HATCH LIVES!~ HOLY SHIT.
Though Killer gets slayed on drone count.
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wow.. Killer defends, but i didn't count how many drones he lost.
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killer defends! but has quite a number of drones lost
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France2061 Posts
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Killer holds it off like a boss, Action throwing down a sunken now
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Killer fails to kill the sunken. Don't know total damage
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elects to not attack drones okie dokie
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Killer's counterattack almost works, sunk saved with 50 hp
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It's so great how important building placement is in this game.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Shit Killer almost gets the sunken, but not quite...
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Action vs Effort all over again.
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Killer, YOU SPAM DRONES AFTER YOU HOLD A 9poolspeed!
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alllll in lings! fails miserably lol
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ah, cancels evo chamber. tries all in. mutas are out though.
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wait what killer has MONEY
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
On May 16 2010 14:57 konadora wrote: JAEDONG OZ
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Lings in Action's base! First muta out for Action though... Think he got a gas drone before lings died. Two still alive, running around.
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Mutas out for action, sunken lost but lings were held off.
Killer losing drones back home.
Killer continues to make lings in an attempt to get all of action's drones.
Neither player has any more drones.
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France2061 Posts
Wtf he put down the evo then cancelled it
lings can't attack air baxter
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KILLER STILL HAS LOTS OF MINERALS?
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this is the stupidest game in the world
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LOL 2 muta vs 6 lings? no drones both sides
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What the hell is this game
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On May 16 2010 14:57 konadora wrote: JAEDONG OZ :S and OZ was doing so well too...
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Lol this is a funny game.
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Wow killer can win this! 1 muta dps is so bad!
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0 drones for both, but 8 or so lings vs 2 mutas. elim race????
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Killer attacking with his last remaining lings, but they are dying to Action's mutas.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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I'm pretty sure I've seen this game on Rush Hour before :D
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
More zerglings???
What his this. Killer will kill more shit first!
2-2?!?!
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why not make drones!!!???
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its like pimpest play of 5 lings vs 1 mutas, but now with 3 mutas and ~10 lings Killer should pull that muta back.
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10 more lings for Killer
pool down for action. Spire down as well. but now lings are running away.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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I have seen a game of 3 lings vs 1 muta, this should be a piece of cake for Killer.  Actually I guess it's not so easy when the player isn't afk
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I hope killer pulls this off !!
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Killer losing his remaining lings slowly.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Nice micro by Killer, saves the targeted ling. Pool down! Spire down!
All Killer has to do is run lings around in time for them to heal :S Action's one offensive muta can't do anything but little damage at a time with lots of buildings to go... Oh man sexy moveshot by Action though :S
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2 mutas is just 1 too much
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gonna take 20 minutes for killer to defend while taking down 2 hatcheries and a extractor -_-
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5 lings to go, no way he can take down the lair.
4 left now.
3.
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WHY NOT MAKE DRONES HE HAD 250 MINERALS
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One more ling dead... Another ling dead... GG from Killer. Nooooooooooo Jaedong OZ :< And here I thought you were going to make playoffs T_T Oh well play strong for the rest of this round and R6~
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killer still had like 6/7/8 drones when he held off killer, why did he all-in like this... and lol at the end.
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He had 219 mins..should have made at least 1 drone lol..
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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Wow, Killer lost. Why didn't he make a drone?
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Jaedong OZ lol =/
Happy that eStro won though.
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On May 16 2010 15:05 o[twist] wrote: WHY NOT MAKE DRONES HE HAD 250 MINERALS
1 muta was still on the offensive, would have killed the drones.
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obviously the drone would get sniped?
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Wtf why were people claiming for like two pages of LR that Killer had a chance?
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lol Hwadong Oz, Jaedong wins but proceeds to lose the next 3 games.
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On May 16 2010 15:05 moopie wrote:1 muta was still on the offensive, would have killed the drones.
killer had 2 bases
also, killer totally could have tried an offensive sunken lol
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
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Oz is really weak against estro.
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Offensive sunken would've been the shit. At least Jaedong won :<
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You can't get to the playoffs like this Oz. Please be more consistent.
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Best case scenario for me. JD gets his win and Estro wins the match.
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Why the fuck did he cancel his evo...
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France2061 Posts
On May 16 2010 15:05 o[twist] wrote: WHY NOT MAKE DRONES HE HAD 250 MINERALS
He lost when the all-in lings failed and he cancelled his evo.
And during WL he brought OZ to victory with a 12 hatch defense into spores against Zero; so disappointing that he failed here.
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On May 16 2010 15:08 snowdrift86 wrote:He lost when the all-in lings failed and he cancelled his evo. And during WL he brought OZ to victory with a 12 hatch defense into spores against Zero; so disappointing that he failed here. Yeah I was really thinking Killer could do this... Had he not canceled he could've defended, droned up, and used his advantage to press. Then he could've made more lings :S
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Fucking boring games. 
ah well, at least we won
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On May 16 2010 15:07 Cpadolf wrote: Why the fuck did he cancel his evo...
I have no idea ... I face palmed so hard at that.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
wow just realised all 8 predicted players played :p
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On May 16 2010 15:12 konadora wrote: wow just realised all 8 predicted players played :p
tbrown47 is REALLY good at this.
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Anyone like any of the games enough to be Recommended?
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On May 16 2010 15:14 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 15:12 konadora wrote: wow just realised all 8 predicted players played :p tbrown47 is REALLY good at this.
Now I just gotta learn to predict who will win : /
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On May 16 2010 15:14 tbrown47 wrote: Anyone like any of the games enough to be Recommended? Jaedong vs Flying. Good even game until doom drop.
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What killer did once he should've done repeatedly. He had way more capacity to deal damage than action. He should've run into his base, attacked a building for as long as he could, run his lings away as they got to low health, until he had all his lings out, and then waited and regenerated back to 35 hp per ling and run in again. That one mutalisk still had tons of buildings to take out which would've taken really long by itself. It might've been enough time to regenerate hp repeatedly and kill the hatchery and extractor just as he killed the spire. A little bit of mindgame micro would've gone on of course, as action tried to chase down the low-hp lings that tried to run away, and then killer could've tried to dodge while the rest of his lings died so much more slowly, not receiving bounce hits, and the one ling that was taking damage only being hit at irregular intervals.
Instead he was just bored and decided to dance all his lings together at the bottom of action's ramp, for no reason, and repeatedly try to run back into his base with lings that hadn't regenerated anything.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Yo tbrown fix Killer's picture, think you have it coded a bit wrong.
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On May 16 2010 15:22 flamewheel91 wrote: Yo tbrown fix Killer's picture, think you have it coded a bit wrong.
Hm? How so?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On May 16 2010 15:25 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 15:22 flamewheel91 wrote: Yo tbrown fix Killer's picture, think you have it coded a bit wrong. Hm? How so? Image has been deleted by photoshack. You probably just have an extra bracket in there somewhere.
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On May 16 2010 15:28 flamewheel91 wrote: Image has been deleted by photoshack. You probably just have an extra bracket in there somewhere.
hmm it is working for me... sec... ill rehost.
edit: rehosted and updated hopefully its working > _ <
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On May 16 2010 15:30 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 15:28 flamewheel91 wrote: Image has been deleted by photoshack. You probably just have an extra bracket in there somewhere. hmm it is working for me... sec... ill rehost. edit: rehosted and updated hopefully its working > _ < All good, it works now!
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sigh....why do you do this to me, Oz?
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poor jaedong
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the classic oz losing 3-1 with the 1 scored by Jaedong.
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too bad Jaedong oz~ GO ESTRO!
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On May 16 2010 15:52 The_Australian wrote: the classic oz losing 3-1 with the 1 scored by Jaedong. Also known as "the Oz result".
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wow. nice. But Jaedong is a Ki... damn, thats it.
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Killer canceling evo...
So stupid >.<
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On May 16 2010 17:23 SuperArc wrote: Killer canceling evo...
So stupid >.<
That was bad enough...he had the chance to come back but instead spent the remaining min on lings. 1 drone would've turned it around. Action ignored his natural.
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Noooo, Jaedong Oz
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Jaedong really keeping his promise of all wins in may...and whay were there so many couples and babies. Is it valentine's day in korea today?
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jaedong oz
jaedong 1-3 estro
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Russian Federation3330 Posts
Awwww I really want Hwaseung Oz to just step up a level... Or just trade Jaedong to SKT!!
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On May 17 2010 01:59 Bisu-Fan wrote:Awwww I really want Hwaseung Oz to just step up a level... Or just trade Jaedong to SKT!!  That would be awesome.
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On May 16 2010 18:13 Flushot wrote:That was bad enough...he had the chance to come back but instead spent the remaining min on lings. 1 drone would've turned it around. Action ignored his natural. He probably assumed action would bounce back and forth from main to natural to check for drones.
Turns out killer thought too highly of action.
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On May 17 2010 08:00 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2010 01:59 Bisu-Fan wrote:Awwww I really want Hwaseung Oz to just step up a level... Or just trade Jaedong to SKT!!  That would be awesome.
That would be imba.
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Jaedong OZ... QQ Alteast Jaedong did his part.
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oh man. Estro playing well
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