Just as Effort's win vs Flash just means Flash will play all the better in the finals and Mech never won a single game (and isn't completely awesome to watch/play)!

Seriously, Fantasy playing TvZ on a much higher meta-level than anyone else is quite obviously putting the hurt on the lesser minds among us, as they fail to recognize the familiar 'story' patterns (ie. m&m die vs lurks) - it's rather like a Godard film, if you think about it.

Shivaz

Canada1783 Posts

May 16 2010 05:17 GMT

#584

On May 16 2010 14:16 Malinor wrote:
As long as Movies APM is around 230, he is going nowhere, it just shows in his games (Yeah, and Saviors ~250 APM was over 3 years ago, so please don't).

stork

tree.hugger

Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts

May 16 2010 05:18 GMT

#585

On May 16 2010 14:16 okum wrote:

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If only he knew how to play both ZvT and ZvZ (as Luxury did, at least intermittently).

I have a feeling that we won't be seeing Luxury on television for quite some time...

Megalisk

United States6095 Posts

May 16 2010 05:19 GMT

#586

On May 16 2010 14:18 tree.hugger wrote:

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I have a feeling that we won't be seeing Luxury on television for quite some time...

Or ever again.

InTheFade

United States1721 Posts

May 16 2010 05:19 GMT

#587

On May 16 2010 14:18 tree.hugger wrote:

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I have a feeling that we won't be seeing Luxury on television for quite some time...

Although he could get privilege to watch television if he's on good behavior lol

POWEROUTAGE

Singapore884 Posts

May 16 2010 05:19 GMT

#588

On May 16 2010 14:17 Shivaz wrote:

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stork

Stork mentioned in a Korean TV show that he used to have around 230 apm, but it has improved to a little bit below 300.

EDIT: Source: It was in the same show that Flash mentioned that he has attained enlightenment. You can find it in that thread.

Katsuge

Singapore7730 Posts

May 16 2010 05:19 GMT

#589

how to beat hoejja? go reaver drops. all else fails

darktreb

United States3016 Posts

May 16 2010 05:19 GMT

#590

On May 16 2010 14:14 Ideas wrote:

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On May 16 2010 14:10 darktreb wrote:

On May 16 2010 14:06 Ideas wrote:

On May 16 2010 13:49 darktreb wrote:
Flash is my favorite player, and I'm a huge Effort (and CJ) fan, so I watch almost every game by both players. I can understand why people thought this game was a big deal but they shouldn't have, and here's why:

1. A lot of people thought Effort fluked his way into the OSL finals, in part because of the tiebreakers. Maybe he should have lost the tiebreaker but the fact of the matter is he's been playing great ever since then and people have been so blinded by the tiebreaker that they've willfully been overlooking this.

2. When Effort plays his best, he is an elite player. He was not overrated in 2009 - if you actually watched his play you saw someone who was as good as anybody not named Jaedong. Lately he's been back in form - sure his ZvT looked shaky for awhile but he looked shaky in general. Even before this game he was looking like the same guy he was in 2009 - that is to say a beast who was virtually invincible against Terran. He just hadn't played ZvTs to show it recently (though actually he had in a great game against Fantasy but everyone discounted that because of "Fantasy sucks TvZ" blind hate again)

3. This map is quite different from every map they'll be playing in the finals. Even Polaris Rhapsody is more similar to Match Point than Judgement Day is to any map in the finals rotation. All we "learned" from this game was that if Effort gets a huge advantage early on, he has the late game skills to finish the deal, even against someone as good as Flash. This shouldn't have been surprising to people as Effort's always been an insanely good late game player but I guess all the Effort hate from the last few months has clouded this. We also "learned" that Flash's defense is amazingly good but even he can't come back from such a big early game disadvantage (caused by him being uncharacteristically sloppy and a BO loss).

All in all, Flash vs Effort is likely going to be an entertaining and competitive finals. Glad that this game happened so more people can see that now instead of all the "boo Kal would have been better" BS. Yeaaaaaaah right - Kal vs Flash is the final that everyone should have been dreading, and I'm glad we didn't get it.

dude fuck you kal is way cooler than effort lol

Haha, Kal is one of my favorite P's but I just call it like I see it. We've seen Kal play at 100% and he simply lacks that "last 2%" that the commentators always talk about. Effort playing at 100% potential is much more likely to give Flash a fight.

I think kal has the skills to beat flash, he's just got really bad nerves in high pressure situations. I was hoping that since the start of this year he's been far more consistent in PL and such and that he'd finally conquered his nerves and could move to the upper echelons of play, but I guess he still needs more time :\

I remember rooting for Kal in the Kal vs Jaedong MSL finals back in the day and being really impressed with his play. I felt like he was ahead in all 4 games but just wasn't ready to take down the Dong.

But that was over two years ago. I've seen Kal play a ton of brilliant games but he's never gone a tear. It seems like all the truly elite players go on a tear from time to time. Flash and Jaedong have been on a tear essentially their whole careers. Bisu has had insane 100 game stretches. Even Effort has rolled off periods of incredible play. Kal never has. As much as I like the guy, he's not that young and he's never done anything to make me believe he's anything more than a very good player capable of threatening for a final every season but never actually making it (and definitely never winning). I hope he proves me wrong.

flamewheel

FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts

May 16 2010 05:19 GMT

#591

On May 16 2010 14:18 tree.hugger wrote:

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I have a feeling that we won't be seeing Luxury on television for quite some time...

Meh, it's one of the two...
Yarnc or Lux.
Which one...
Or both?

Ideas

United States8143 Posts

May 16 2010 05:20 GMT

#592

On May 16 2010 14:18 tree.hugger wrote:

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I have a feeling that we won't be seeing Luxury on television for quite some time...

not unless the korean prison system has a starcraft league

cokencheese

Philippines748 Posts

May 16 2010 05:20 GMT

#593

On May 16 2010 14:17 Shivaz wrote:

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stork

Stork has sped up considerably the last two seasons. He kinda went back to sucking these days though.

Megalisk

United States6095 Posts

May 16 2010 05:20 GMT

#594

MA BERSERKER

Shivaz

Canada1783 Posts

May 16 2010 05:20 GMT

#595

berserker

jon arbuckle

Canada443 Posts

May 16 2010 05:20 GMT

#596

On May 16 2010 14:18 tree.hugger wrote:
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On May 16 2010 14:16 okum wrote:

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If only he knew how to play both ZvT and ZvZ (as Luxury did, at least intermittently).

I have a feeling that we won't be seeing Luxury on television for quite some time...

Well there's always
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kyzers0ze

Singapore1073 Posts

May 16 2010 05:21 GMT

#597

CHINTOSS

King K. Rool

Canada4408 Posts

May 16 2010 05:21 GMT

#598

Berserker vs stats.

orgolove

Vatican City State1650 Posts

May 16 2010 05:21 GMT

#599

Ahahaha. I'm sure he'll make this a learning experience and get better for the next game. Come on, valks vs lurkers? it was his sheer mechanics that the game wasn't over from the start.