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YES GO HOEJJA!! TAKE THAT EVERYONE ELSE`S FPL ANTI TEAM!
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On May 16 2010 14:06 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 13:49 darktreb wrote:
Flash is my favorite player, and I'm a huge Effort (and CJ) fan, so I watch almost every game by both players. I can understand why people thought this game was a big deal but they shouldn't have, and here's why:
1. A lot of people thought Effort fluked his way into the OSL finals, in part because of the tiebreakers. Maybe he should have lost the tiebreaker but the fact of the matter is he's been playing great ever since then and people have been so blinded by the tiebreaker that they've willfully been overlooking this.
2. When Effort plays his best, he is an elite player. He was not overrated in 2009 - if you actually watched his play you saw someone who was as good as anybody not named Jaedong. Lately he's been back in form - sure his ZvT looked shaky for awhile but he looked shaky in general. Even before this game he was looking like the same guy he was in 2009 - that is to say a beast who was virtually invincible against Terran. He just hadn't played ZvTs to show it recently (though actually he had in a great game against Fantasy but everyone discounted that because of "Fantasy sucks TvZ" blind hate again)
3. This map is quite different from every map they'll be playing in the finals. Even Polaris Rhapsody is more similar to Match Point than Judgement Day is to any map in the finals rotation. All we "learned" from this game was that if Effort gets a huge advantage early on, he has the late game skills to finish the deal, even against someone as good as Flash. This shouldn't have been surprising to people as Effort's always been an insanely good late game player but I guess all the Effort hate from the last few months has clouded this. We also "learned" that Flash's defense is amazingly good but even he can't come back from such a big early game disadvantage (caused by him being uncharacteristically sloppy and a BO loss).
All in all, Flash vs Effort is likely going to be an entertaining and competitive finals. Glad that this game happened so more people can see that now instead of all the "boo Kal would have been better" BS. Yeaaaaaaah right - Kal vs Flash is the final that everyone should have been dreading, and I'm glad we didn't get it. dude fuck you kal is way cooler than effort lol
Haha, Kal is one of my favorite P's but I just call it like I see it. We've seen Kal play at 100% and he simply lacks that "last 2%" that the commentators always talk about. Effort playing at 100% potential is much more likely to give Flash a fight.
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Pimp play by Hoejja. All games so far has been excellent. BW forever!
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This needs to go to an ace match >_<
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On May 16 2010 14:09 Scaramanga wrote:
Hoejja im so very deeply sorry that i ever doubted you, your zvp is top notch and is underepresented by stats, please come out in ace match and rape movie again
LOL scaramanga. Converted into a Hoejja fan now?
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i love seeing hoejja win. he's a good guy. lol
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On May 16 2010 14:10 POWEROUTAGE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 14:09 Scaramanga wrote:
Hoejja im so very deeply sorry that i ever doubted you, your zvp is top notch and is underepresented by stats, please come out in ace match and rape movie again LOL scaramanga. Converted into a Hoejja fan now?
I always was a hoejja fan i just never thought he was that good for what people say about him, he sure proved me wrong
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On May 16 2010 14:08 okum wrote:Whatever it is, it's HoeJJa's A-class MU.
Indeed. He can be fucking good at it. Still, I have predicted Movie's downfall as a progamer for a long time now. Nice to see that it's becoming a reality.
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Hoejja played well last game, living with nal_ra was worth it.
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Damn, between Stats, Violet, and/or fOrGG, I hope KT can win a match.
Then we can watch another Flash vs EffOrt >: D
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Stats vs Skyhigh snipe pls!
oh. polaris rhapsody. expecting carriers.
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On May 16 2010 14:10 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 14:06 Ideas wrote:On May 16 2010 13:49 darktreb wrote:
Flash is my favorite player, and I'm a huge Effort (and CJ) fan, so I watch almost every game by both players. I can understand why people thought this game was a big deal but they shouldn't have, and here's why:
1. A lot of people thought Effort fluked his way into the OSL finals, in part because of the tiebreakers. Maybe he should have lost the tiebreaker but the fact of the matter is he's been playing great ever since then and people have been so blinded by the tiebreaker that they've willfully been overlooking this.
2. When Effort plays his best, he is an elite player. He was not overrated in 2009 - if you actually watched his play you saw someone who was as good as anybody not named Jaedong. Lately he's been back in form - sure his ZvT looked shaky for awhile but he looked shaky in general. Even before this game he was looking like the same guy he was in 2009 - that is to say a beast who was virtually invincible against Terran. He just hadn't played ZvTs to show it recently (though actually he had in a great game against Fantasy but everyone discounted that because of "Fantasy sucks TvZ" blind hate again)
3. This map is quite different from every map they'll be playing in the finals. Even Polaris Rhapsody is more similar to Match Point than Judgement Day is to any map in the finals rotation. All we "learned" from this game was that if Effort gets a huge advantage early on, he has the late game skills to finish the deal, even against someone as good as Flash. This shouldn't have been surprising to people as Effort's always been an insanely good late game player but I guess all the Effort hate from the last few months has clouded this. We also "learned" that Flash's defense is amazingly good but even he can't come back from such a big early game disadvantage (caused by him being uncharacteristically sloppy and a BO loss).
All in all, Flash vs Effort is likely going to be an entertaining and competitive finals. Glad that this game happened so more people can see that now instead of all the "boo Kal would have been better" BS. Yeaaaaaaah right - Kal vs Flash is the final that everyone should have been dreading, and I'm glad we didn't get it. dude fuck you kal is way cooler than effort lol Haha, Kal is one of my favorite P's but I just call it like I see it. We've seen Kal play at 100% and he simply lacks that "last 2%" that the commentators always talk about. Effort playing at 100% potential is much more likely to give Flash a fight.
I think kal has the skills to beat flash, he's just got really bad nerves in high pressure situations. I was hoping that since the start of this year he's been far more consistent in PL and such and that he'd finally conquered his nerves and could move to the upper echelons of play, but I guess he still needs more time :\
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On May 16 2010 14:12 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 14:10 POWEROUTAGE wrote:On May 16 2010 14:09 Scaramanga wrote:
Hoejja im so very deeply sorry that i ever doubted you, your zvp is top notch and is underepresented by stats, please come out in ace match and rape movie again LOL scaramanga. Converted into a Hoejja fan now? I always was a hoejja fan i just never thought he was that good for what people say about him, he sure proved me wrong
Well, in your defence he had a bad streak recently. Even Nal_ra was joking that Hoejja is grouchy cause he has lost quite a few games in proleague. But, he still has some nice ZvP. The problem is that he mixes sexy play with some fails (like guardians this game or circling around corsairs with mutas without firing etc.).
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For the love of god please send out stats
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On May 16 2010 14:12 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 14:08 okum wrote:On May 16 2010 14:08 Holgerius wrote:
So this is Movie's ''S-class'' MU? XD Whatever it is, it's HoeJJa's A-class MU. Indeed. He can be fucking good at it. Still, I have predicted Movie's downfall as a progamer for a long time now. Nice to see that it's becoming a reality.
Haha yeah because losing to Hoejja playing well signifies the end
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I'm happy. Hope Hoejja replaces Luxury soon.
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On May 16 2010 14:14 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 14:12 Holgerius wrote:On May 16 2010 14:08 okum wrote:On May 16 2010 14:08 Holgerius wrote:
So this is Movie's ''S-class'' MU? XD Whatever it is, it's HoeJJa's A-class MU. Indeed. He can be fucking good at it. Still, I have predicted Movie's downfall as a progamer for a long time now. Nice to see that it's becoming a reality. Haha yeah because losing to Hoejja playing well signifies the end OF DAYS!
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As long as Movies APM is around 230, he is going nowhere, it just shows in his games (Yeah, and Saviors ~250 APM was over 3 years ago, so please don't).
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EPT
