[SPL] CJ Entus vs KT Rolster - Page 22

On May 16 2010 13:46 ghrur wrote:


Whoa, whoa, don't hate OoV or Fantasy. I personally love how they added a second layer to TvZ. It's good to see new builds every once in a while, and Mech vs Z is actually quite interesting. Besides, blame fantasy if anyone :p OoV had good bio play. Fantasy's the one that needs this stuff, lol.

On May 16 2010 13:46 iamho wrote:
just because you suck less vs p than vs other matchups does not make you a protoss sniper!

On May 16 2010 13:48 Holgerius wrote:

Man, I have always hates how people were like ''Fantasy revolutionized TvZ, he's fucking awesome'' when all he did was trying to fix something that wasn't broken, and failed pretty hard. How many Starleagues were won by Terrans because of Fantasy's revolution? 0000000000.

On May 16 2010 13:50 ohN wrote:
3 hatch vs forge fe.

Interesting 3rd hatch placement by hoejja

On May 16 2010 13:44 SuperArc wrote:


and if Flash had barely won you'd say "Hahaha, Flash 3-0 ez"!

You're clearly mistaking Flash to be Jaedong.

On May 16 2010 13:47 TheYango wrote:

It's actually possible that Effort started throwing around random crap once he realized that he had an unbeatable advantage, so that Flash could gain as little as possible. Both players know that Effort isn't stupid enough to throw away a bunch of ultras to tanks like that in a game that really matters.

On May 16 2010 13:49 darktreb wrote:
Flash is my favorite player, and I'm a huge Effort (and CJ) fan, so I watch almost every game by both players. I can understand why people thought this game was a big deal but they shouldn't have, and here's why:

1. A lot of people thought Effort fluked his way into the OSL finals, in part because of the tiebreakers. Maybe he should have lost the tiebreaker but the fact of the matter is he's been playing great ever since then and people have been so blinded by the tiebreaker that they've willfully been overlooking this.

2. When Effort plays his best, he is an elite player. He was not overrated in 2009 - if you actually watched his play you saw someone who was as good as anybody not named Jaedong. Lately he's been back in form - sure his ZvT looked shaky for awhile but he looked shaky in general. Even before this game he was looking like the same guy he was in 2009 - that is to say virtually invincible against Terran.

3. This map is quite different from every map they'll be playing in the finals. Even Polaris Rhapsody is more similar to Match Point than Judgement Day is to any map in the finals rotation. All we "learned" from this game was that if Effort gets a huge advantage early on, he has the late game skills to finish the deal, even against someone as good as Flash. This shouldn't have been surprising to people as Effort's always been an insanely good late game player but I guess all the Effort hate from the last few months has clouded this. We also "learned" that Flash's defense is amazingly good but even he can't come back from such a big early game disadvantage (caused by him being uncharacteristically sloppy and a BO loss).

All in all, Flash vs Effort is likely going to be an entertaining and competitive finals. Glad that this game happened so more people can see that now instead of all the "boo Kal would have been better" BS. Yeaaaaaaah right - Kal vs Flash is the final that everyone should have been dreading, and I'm glad we didn't get it.

On May 16 2010 13:51 Scaramanga wrote:
Hi, can people please stop saying hoejja's zvp is awesome. He's barely over 50% winrate and has a pretty bad elo vs p compared to other zergs. He's had a few good games vs people like Bisu and Kal to which people extrapolate out to being really good zvp which is just not true.
Edit: Don't get me wrong i love hoejja so very much

On May 16 2010 13:51 Subwoofermate wrote:
Is it me or are all of the streams echoing?

On May 16 2010 13:49 Megalisk wrote:


Fantasy made it to 2 OSL finals, he wasn't a failure.