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Predictions:+ Show Spoiler +I like to look at the team as a whole before giving my specific prediction. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/1.jpg) Oh SK Telecom T1... how much I like watching you play. Everything seems to be going pretty good for SKT.  BeSt played very strong,  fantasy played great (even though he mucked up his first game vs. Flash). And I think they are starting to rise as a team again. Anything bad about SKT? Of course. Bisu. Oh Bisu, how you have fallen. I expect them to keep playing Bisu. And I expect Bisu to rise to his former glory as The Revolutionist. All in all, SKT is a better team now than a week ago. And a week ago they beat KT Rolster. Doesn't sound good for CJ Entus. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/9.jpg) CJ Entus has a decent roster at the moment. I think its safe to say now that  EffOrt has regained some form, which is a good sign. Snow is playing well. Iris, sKyHigh, and Movie.... ehhh they are doing okay. They have a solid lineup of players, with a few wild-cards in the mix if need be. They are a team that is difficult to defeat 3-0, and a team that you should expect to see an ace match out of.
fantasy < Roadrunner > IrisThis is a terrany map in my opinion. So expect fantasy who has a seemingly phenomenal (keyword: seemingly. That is how it always is with fantasy) TvT vs Iris who recently beat Light on this very same map. Expect a good TvT if you are in to that sort of thing. I think fantasy's TvT is too strong now for Iris to handle. Fantasy wins. Bisu < Polaris Rhapsody > sKyHighI don't have much to say about this one... I just want Bisu to win... please? Please Bisu? The other options for this map are SKT sending out BeSt or CJ sending out Snow. I just went with Bisu vs sKyHigh for a hopefully sick match. BeSt < Fighting Spirit > EffOrtSKT tries to end the game early, CJ doesn't comply. EffOrt comes out with a victory in which I think many would consider an upset. Hyuk < Match Point > SnowSKT can't decide which Zerg to continuously play. They switch between them so much! Snow continues his killing spree and brings it to an ace match. fantasy < Judgment Day > EffOrtThe current titans of each team come to battle. fantasy comes out on top. SK Telecom T1 3 > 2 CJ Entus
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ty for the OP. man, tomorrow is gonna be one hell of a sc day. skt vs cj, estro vs khan (good enough for the commercial breaks in our match) and later there´s hiya vs free and jd vs midas 
i´ve got mixed feelings regarding this match tomorrow. on the one hand we just defeated kt which were fielding flash 2 times and we still won, on the other hand this victory probably was rather due to flash fucking it up on a scale seen about once each season... and we lost to oz, with a depressing ace match which showed that we´re lacking a reliable ace atm, with bisu being on the verge of a demotion to the b-team and fantasy playing rather mediocre and unstable.
meanwhile, cj seems to be shaping up lately, with effort and skyhigh working out of their slumps.
pretty much 50:50 imho.
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On May 08 2010 04:38 Black Gun wrote:ty for the OP. man, tomorrow is gonna be one hell of a sc day. skt vs cj, estro vs khan (good enough for the commercial breaks in our match) and later there´s hiya vs free and jd vs midas i´ve got mixed feelings regarding this match tomorrow. on the one hand we just defeated kt which were fielding flash 2 times and we still won, on the other hand this victory probably was rather due to flash fucking it up on a scale seen about once each season... and we lost to oz, with a depressing ace match which showed that we´re lacking a reliable ace atm, with bisu being on the verge of a demotion to the b-team and fantasy playing rather mediocre and unstable. meanwhile, cj seems to be shaping up lately, with effort and skyhigh working out of their slumps. pretty much 50:50 imho.
Agreed. My predictions are a little delayed... caught up in this whole SC2 Razer Domination thingie >_>
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It'd be nice to have some insider information about in-house rankings at SKT1. Im curious as to wether Bisu is failing overall or his confidence in telivised matches has plummeted. It would be indeed a sad moment if it Bisu was demoted to B team.
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I can't wait this match to start, going to be nice. (hopefully) Now I need to go to sleep cuz it's very hard to get up at 7 in the morning in saturday -.-
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On May 08 2010 05:42 Tuke wrote:
I can't wait this match to start, going to be nice. (hopefully) Now I need to go to sleep cuz it's very hard to get up at 7 in the morning in saturday -.-
I would totally switch time zones with you....7 in the morning is not that bad....i go to school and my mother doesn't really let me sleep late. So I get only one match in during the nights
Anyway, hoping for a Fantasy vs Movie
Fantasy>Movie (he may be inconsistent but his tvp is still top level)
Bisu<Effort (Let's be honest here, Bisu gonna need a few more months to get back in form)
Hyuk<Skyhigh (Hyuk's tvz is just pure bad)
Best>Iris (Best will get back in his form)
Fantasy>Effort (this is where it gets biased)
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Only speculation:
What an SKT fan wants:
Boxer > Savior
Mong < Mong (apparently there are two Mongs)
Hyuk < Iris
Bisu > Effort
Boxer> Effort
What a CJ fan wants:
Bisu < Iris
Best < Effort
Hyuk > Snow
Fantasy > Orion
Fantasy or Bisu < Savior
What other people want:
exciting games and also FPL pointsyumyumyum, except old school can win occasionally /favorite player
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Add in MSL, and this is going to be a damn fine day of Starcraft.
Bisu fighting!
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i voted for cj i think...
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Bisu < Effort
Best < Movie
Fantasy < Skyhigh
Gogogo CJ!
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I used to love watching Bisu play, but now it's just painful. Here's hoping he gets it together though, and preferably against Effort.
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some piece of trash < skyhigh
best > movie
bisu > snow
fantasy < effort
BEST > EFFORT
i can only dream.
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Oh hmmm these are already made.
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gogo effort/movie/skyhigh bring it home 3-0!
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On May 08 2010 07:50 flamewheel91 wrote:
Oh hmmm these are already made.
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thank god SPL is on early tonight 8D
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Bisu fighting! Bisu for ace match!
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Hoping for Fantasy vs some noob, Bisu vs Effort, Hyuk vs Snow/Movie.
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Mystlord
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Roffles
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Even savior could beat Fantasy at this point. There is no way he even beats Effort.
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konadora
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really torn between this and estro vs khan 
WHAT SHOULD I WATCH/STREAM?
lol the first two posts in this page kinda determines what i should stream 
BUT I DUN WANNA MISS THIS ZOMG
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konadora
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On May 08 2010 12:06 On_Slaught wrote:
Even savior could beat Fantasy at this point. There is no way he even beats Effort.
savior would beat fantasy anytime D:
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On May 08 2010 12:09 konadora wrote:really torn between this and estro vs khan WHAT SHOULD I WATCH/STREAM? lol the first two posts in this page kinda determines what i should stream BUT I DUN WANNA MISS THIS ZOMG
watch/stream whichever you want man. if you wanna watch your team play, watch skt1 v cj. dont feel bad about thinking about yourself rather than going to the other game
besides, boe is gonna stream khan anyway
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konadora
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Bisu will beat Effort! and Savior will beat Bisu!
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Roffles
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On May 08 2010 12:46 Xiphos wrote:
Bisu will beat Effort! and Savior will beat Bisu!
Savior shall never beat Bisu. It was just never meant to be.
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konadora
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effort shaking hands with some ppl?
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konadora
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Mystlord
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Oh no it's s2..... Oh wait it's s2.
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Roffles
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Skyhigh for CJ. Oh god this is gonna get ugly.
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s2 vs skyhigh!
gogogo skyhigh, beat the scrub zerg!
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Mystlord
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s2 looks so ugly when he plays. What's the deal with that????
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SKT zerg vs Skyhigh's non TvT.
Battle of who's going to fail more!
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SkyHigh vs s2? I've got SH on my anti
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Roffles
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On May 08 2010 13:08 SuperArc wrote:
SKT zerg vs Skyhigh's non TvT.
Battle of who's going to fail more!
SKT zerg. Skyhigh's non TvT is bad, but we're talking T1 zerg here.
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On May 08 2010 13:08 SuperArc wrote:
SKT zerg vs Skyhigh's non TvT.
Battle of who's going to fail more!
skyhigh TvZ is more then enought to beat the crappy S2
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barracks expand for skyhigh (12 hatch for s2)
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On May 08 2010 13:09 Manit0u wrote:SkyHigh vs s2? I've got SH on my anti
Me, too T.T
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Wow s2 going 2 hatch build!
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On May 08 2010 13:11 Mystlord wrote:This face must be spread across the ages!!! + Show Spoiler +And he's 2 hatching.
omg the long lost brother of lux and yarnc
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s2 gets 3 speedlings into skyhigh's base. gets 2 rines, 2 scvs... errr 1 scv.
Also gets a scout off, but whatever.
Third hatch is at the natural of 6? Interesting :/
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s2 with a ninja expo at 6
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Mutas running around...
Doing some light damage, but nothing major.
Wow Pretty good Mutalisk control from s2!
Or maybe Skyhigh just SUCKS.
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skyhigh should build more barracks
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skyhigh scanning looking for an extra expo
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Mystlord
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s2 with his Mutas raping all those turrets.
Loool skyhigh is fuucked.
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s2 looking like Jaedong out there vs Skyhigh.
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where has s2's muta micro been hiding? o_O
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s2 looks, how do you say, fucking pissed.
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even jaedong hasn't looked this sharp since last year
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konadora
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this is over
i'm really impressed with s2's micro
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konadora
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On May 08 2010 13:16 integral wrote:
even jaedong hasn't looked this sharp since last year
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build more barracks skyhigh, come on!
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I don't even think s2 needs lurkers to win this game.
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It would seem that SkyHigh has come down with a serious case of NerdRage.
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See, Skyhigh is horribly weak against muta micro.
I really wonder what he's practicing. -.-
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OH SHIT ONE SHOTTING TURRETS.
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konadora
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WTF S2 IS ACTUALLY MICROING 2 GROUPS
holy crap
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Skyhigh looking lost trying to play bio vs Z as usual.
Honestly s2's muta micro isn't even amazing... this game hurts to watch.
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How can someone be so bad at TvZ.
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What a one sided game. s2 with some SICK SICK micro.
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skyhigh gg's
terrible play
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holy shit what a fucking baller, that's TWO control groups looking like one
skyhigh just got RAPED
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GG from sKyHigh. That was embarrassing. He had absolutely no answer for all-in mutas, and good muta micro.
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GEEEGEEEE.
And I so needed to get that skyhigh screencap, missed it. DAMN oh well.
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omg that was rape..
skyhigh...
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On May 08 2010 13:17 SuperArc wrote:
See, Skyhigh is horribly weak against muta micro.
I really wonder what he's practicing. -.- He probably feels pro against Effort's ZvT.
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Damn, that was a game even Jaedong would be envious of. Slick play from s2.
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What are those shirts the SKT team is wearing? they look cool~
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skyhigh displaying some dreadful TvZ, it only took some muta micro to completely rape him
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s2 teaching bisu how to play the game of starcraft. the world turns upside-down.
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Jesus, Skyhigh suck more plz
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I didnt see extrodinary micro from s2,but he played very good considering his skill level.The game was lost by skyhigh.
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Wow, SkyHigh got raped so bad that s2 ended up not microing his mutas at the end and still raping him hard... oh my god...
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omg, roffles stream is causing my eyes to bleed right now
i'm gonna have some nightmares
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The sad thing is that Skyhigh's mech TvZ is way better than his mnm, but they never sent him out on a map where he could mech...
and if they do he won't mech -.-
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On May 08 2010 13:18 tree.hugger wrote:GG from sKyHigh. That was embarrassing. He had absolutely no answer for all-in mutas, and good muta micro.
It wasn't all-in, had a third, lurker tech and a 4th building
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HYUUUUUUUUUUUUUK!!!!!!!!!!
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I hope CJ actually sends Hydra out this time, I don't think Movie is good for SKT1.
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Fuck Yeah! It's Hyuk time.
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Snow gonna get Hyukrolled.
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HYUK VS SNOW!!!!
HAHA!!! WOOOOO
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konadora
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I find it very bold that SKT would send out 2 zergs in a row.
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snow vs hyuk
T1 using the zerg scrub arsenal!
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On May 08 2010 13:28 Random_0 wrote:
I find it very bold that SKT would send out 2 zergs in a row.
very smart, PvZ is not Snow's strength
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Hyuk vs Snow... NICE! This is gonna be epic.
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t1 playing CJ weaknesses very well
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konadora
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snow's parents are there to watch him, nice haha
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please stop sending zergs, AND SEND OUT BEST AND BISU
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Roffles
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On May 08 2010 13:30 konadora wrote:
snow's parents are there to watch him, nice haha
Sadly for them, they're gonna see their son get rolled. Even Bisu's laughing at how badly Snow's gonna get raped.
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lol what are Bisu, Canata and s2 laughing about
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Bisu caught on camera giggling with Soo and Canata again.
That's right bitch. If you can't win games, at least enjoy yourself.
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Roffles
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Damn, Hyuk with balls, going for double gas ASAP.
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konadora
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lol expand at 7
commentators continuing to talk about bisu's slump, as camera zooms in on bisu
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No I am not bitter about Bisu's recent slump.
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Roffles
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On May 08 2010 13:31 Xxio wrote:
lol what are Bisu, Canata and s2 laughing about
Probably how bad Skyhigh was last game.
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if snow loses his game, t1 will probably send fantasy for a 3-0 sweep (since CJ just sent it's 2 best vT snipers)
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On May 08 2010 13:32 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:31 Xxio wrote:
lol what are Bisu, Canata and s2 laughing about Probably how bad Skyhigh was last game.
Bisu's breathing a sigh of relief, because he can't possibly play the worst of anyone today.
Snow checking nearby expansions, he knows Hyuk must have a third somewhere. Dragoon and zealot out for Snow, citadel going up.
Snow's first corsair finally figures out where the hell Hyuk expanded to.
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konadora
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nice corsair interception
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nice scourge dodge, but it ended bad for that sair pilot
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Roffles
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Baller scourge from Hyuk lands a kill on a sair.
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DT's out, will hyuk "hyuk" himself?
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wow, DT almost escapes to kill some drones, but OL speed kicks in just in time
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Roffles
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Nice job by Hyuk not losing anything to the DTs. Lurkers out for Hyuk now while Snow trying to take 12.
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Roffles
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Oh shit, Hyuk prepping for a huge drop in the main!
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Its like the SKT 2010 budget diverted all funding to zergs
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Mystlord
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DROP from hyuk...
SNOW DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
HIS FORCES ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP!!!
LOOOOOL
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here comes the doom drop!
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Mystlord
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HOLY FUCK PROBE RAPE!!!!!
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sick probe massace from hyuk's drop.
cleaned up with some storms and troops, wonder if damage is done.
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Mystlord
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This looks terrible for Snow... Hyuk has the entire bottom of the map. At this rate....
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SKT Zergs playing good today?
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Mystlord
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And Snow's army just got raped... hard.
Bye bye snow. It was nice knowing you.
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some good storms, but hyuks army is too big
snow getting overwhelmed
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Roffles
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Three chambers from Hyuk. Playing like a complete stud right now.
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SKT Zergs bringing the pain, roflmao.
What's next, Bisu actually winning?
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Hyuk just storming his way into the third, busts the defense there. Nexus is down.
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konadora
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i don't think we can call them SKTFAILZERGS anymore
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Mystlord
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Snow's third just got raped... Hard.
Poor snow. Hyuk just massing units off of those 4 bases...
GG from Snow.
WOOOO.
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Hyuk sending waves of lings, lurkers, and hydras at Snow's 3rd. Breaks all the cannons, annihilates the Protoss army there.
Don't get too aggressive!
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Roffles
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Hyuk now pounding on the nat entrance.
GG from Snow. Hyuk baller. SKT Zergs 2-0.
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wtf was the point of sending of Snow instead of Movie?
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lol 2 t1 zergs doing well
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i hope SKT plays best or bisu and he wins
this skt zerg victory is too awkward and weird
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I'm happy I'm not a CJ fan.
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i guess CJ coach was trying to snipe fantasy, but got rolled by T1 zergs (both snow and skyhigh weaknesses)
now, fantasy will probably play the 3rd set and CJ won't have much against it...
this is bad
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Hyuk, why can't you play like this always? ><
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Skt totally outsmarted cj sending 2 zergs in a row in maps in which Cj expected fantasy(atleast in first map).
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Wow.
That was just a totally dominant performance.
Hyuk did a good job knowing *exactly* what build Snow was going to pull out and stayed 2 steps ahead of him. You would think Hyuk knew who he was playing.
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konadora
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On May 08 2010 13:44 FireGuyX wrote:
wtf was the point of sending of Snow instead of Movie?
cause it's a decent terran map + didn't think SKT would send another zerg
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Lol, this is why SKT is awesome. "Fail Zerg" this, "fail Zerg" that, and every once in a while they bring out their Zerg line-up to completely own a decent team.
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effort is CJ best option now, but i don't know if he's over that shitty ZvT he's been playing lately
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=.=
on one hand its great to have the zerg lineup carry its weight for once.
on the other hand..... why does the rest of the team have to suck? is it like a galactic balance that must be preserved?!
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SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence.
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On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence.
and if he loses you completely bury him.
Yeah, very smart.
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On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence.
why send bisu when CJ will probably send effort?!?
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On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence.
Sadly, I don't trust Bisu to beat anyone left on CJ. I want them to send SoO for a zerg 3-0 !
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On May 08 2010 13:48 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. and if he loses you completely bury him. Yeah, very smart.
Nah, if he loses, it's no big deal. This is like the 4th quarter scenario in football. If your team is dominating, you send out people who aren't doing as well.
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On May 08 2010 13:48 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. and if he loses you completely bury him. Yeah, very smart.
I think the idea is that he can play without any pressure for once. They're ahead 2-0, so it's not the end of the world if he loses, but a clean win for SKT if he wins.
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I guess Effort or Movie next.But the only one capable of sniping fantasy is probably iris..
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On May 08 2010 13:48 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. and if he loses you completely bury him. Yeah, very smart.
Your up 2-0 against a good team. You have a slumping but one of the elite players of all time. I'll take my chances by sending him.
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On May 08 2010 13:48 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. Sadly, I don't trust Bisu to beat anyone left on CJ. I want them to send SoO for a zerg 3-0 !
If that happens the Earth will implode.
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On May 08 2010 13:48 Jackal03 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. why send bisu when CJ will probably send effort?!?
Hey, bisu beat effort in that epic ace match. Back when they were both good.
No promises.
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On May 08 2010 13:48 Jackal03 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. why send bisu when CJ will probably send effort?!?
Because he's the Revolutionist. :D
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i forgot berseker is back into action, i guess he is CJ best choice for the 3rd set
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On May 08 2010 13:48 Jackal03 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. why send bisu when CJ will probably send effort?!?
Cause Effort's bad.
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On May 08 2010 13:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:48 Jackal03 wrote:On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. why send bisu when CJ will probably send effort?!? Cause Effort's bad.
bisu is "slumping" when he loses most of his games in 2010
effort is "bad" when he loses most of his games in 2010
ok there
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I'd like to see Movie vs Fantasy on FS. Would be cool to see what Fantasy does.
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Mystlord
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fantasy vs Effort?
Oh no....
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Oh god, they're both so bad in this matchup.
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as expected, fantasy vs effort
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fantasy's TvZ and EffOrt's ZvT...
Hahaha...
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OH SHIT!!!
Who's going to win? -.-
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this game will depend on fantasy, if he tries one of his crazy builds, he'll lose
if he plays standart, effort will lose
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Well this is better, at least we can see if Effort improved his vsT.
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iloveoov's prodigy pitted against the feared OSL Ro4 qualifier!
I smell 3-0 for SKT. And maybe 3-0 for Flash, in a larger context.
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who can fail harder, hmmm
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On May 08 2010 13:58 dtnmang wrote:
iloveoov's prodigy pitted against savior's prodigy
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On May 08 2010 13:58 Jackal03 wrote:
this game will depend on fantasy, if he tries one of his crazy builds, he'll lose
if he plays standart, effort will lose
you're overestimating fantasy's TvZ, if he plays standard its a coin flip imo
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effort should be improving his ZvT, if he beats kal he'll face the beast
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konadora
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On May 08 2010 13:58 Jackal03 wrote:
this game will depend on fantasy, if he tries one of his crazy builds, he'll lose
if he plays standart, effort will lose
i think it's the vice-versa lol
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Fantasy's predictable bio-mech transition inc.
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Effort's mom looks kinda like him =o
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Crap fantasy has to play a TvZ, he is so not good at it. Since the beginning of the year he is sub-45% TvZ (actually he is sub-50% overall) whereas his TvT and TvP are both 66.6%%. Everytime SKT plays I really hope he doesn't play a Zerg.
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On May 08 2010 13:56 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 08 2010 13:48 Jackal03 wrote:On May 08 2010 13:47 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT needs to send out Bisu right now. If he wins the next match it could boost his confidence. why send bisu when CJ will probably send effort?!? Cause Effort's bad. bisu is "slumping" when he loses most of his games in 2010 effort is "bad" when he loses most of his games in 2010 ok there
Bisu's bad too ^_^
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
No gas for fantasy yet....
Probably bio into mech.... Probably.
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i consider fantasy's standart mech, his m&m control is horribad
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On May 08 2010 13:59 Xxio wrote:
Fantasy's predictable bio-mech transition inc. wow, is that the only way fantasy can play in TvZ?
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On May 08 2010 13:59 Zaxro wrote:
Crap fantasy has to play a TvZ, he is so not good at it. Since the beginning of the year he is sub-45% TvZ (actually he is sub-50% overall) whereas his TvT and TvP are both 66.6%%. Everytime SKT plays I really hope he doesn't play a Zerg.
Effort's ZvT record this year isn't that threatening.
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Canada5565 Posts
Damn nice 12 hatch from Effort
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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Effort almost managed to steal Fantasy's gas.
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On May 08 2010 14:01 dtnmang wrote:
Effort almost managed to steal Flash's gas.
Flash?
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
On May 08 2010 14:01 dtnmang wrote:
Effort almost managed to steal Flash's gas.
wtf lol
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On May 08 2010 14:01 dtnmang wrote:
Effort almost managed to steal Flash's gas.
effort playing flash?!?!
holy shit, CJ is screwed
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Canada5565 Posts
On May 08 2010 14:00 dtnmang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:59 Xxio wrote:
Fantasy's predictable bio-mech transition inc. wow, is that the only way fantasy can play in TvZ?
Nah, he can go straight mech sometimes haha
or cheese..though I can't remember him cheesing since he used Iloveoov's build in the proleague finals game 7
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On May 08 2010 14:00 dtnmang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:59 Xxio wrote:
Fantasy's predictable bio-mech transition inc. wow, is that the only way fantasy can play in TvZ?
Fantasy plays all matchups the same way. (build a shitload of vultures)
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Oh wow Effort clearly studied fantasy's game against Jaedong.
He's not moving any OLs to prevent sniping.
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effort doing a good job in diminishing fantasy's marine count
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
CHOGOLING!!!
Ahhhh SCV pull + rine retreat at the last second saves fantasy...
And he scouts Effort's... Drone eggs?
:<
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bad macro by effort he had like 6 drone eggs morph all at the same time
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
errrrrr...
Effort with only 2 sunks...
fantasy could possibly break that...
Ahhh nvm, effort with the lings.
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lol sorry, OSL hype
btw fixed.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Ok.
Mutas are out for Effort, building hatch at top left...
fantasy leaving his rines out in the open.... Dubious choice...
SCAN PERFECTLY ON EFFORT'S THIRD!
fantasy needs to be really careful with those Mnm>... Mutaling... :/
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Canada5565 Posts
Wow 4 turrets at his nat O.O
edit: lol looks like he needed them!
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wow, fantasy scouts the third as it's been made
hacks!
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I kinda wish SkyHigh had won the first game for CJ. I've been pulling for that kid since the GOMtv days.
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Man, fantasy isn't planning on using that gas any time soon, walling it with 2 turrets.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Effort with Mutaling killing turrets, but there's too many...
fantasy moving rines to top left to stop Effort's hatch... Effort cancels and hides the drone...
fantasy finds it!
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effort smartly cancels the 3rd
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i just want to bring attention to the fact that Fantasy is <50% vZ.
Strange how that is, when he's in the same house as Oov & Boxer... hmm.
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Fantasy's denying effort's attempts to expand.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
firebat at bottom right stops the drone from building a hatch there!!
Oh effort....
effort trying to harass, no dice.
Effort still without a third hatch :/
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poor drone, can't make his dream of beeing a hatchery
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effort needs 3gas, lurkers morph at 5 oclock but maynarded drone is killed
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Hm I still don't see a mech transition....
FANTASY WALKS MNM INTO LURKS!
Ahh it wasn't a disaster.
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On May 08 2010 14:08 Mystlord wrote:
Hm I still don't see a mech transition....
FANTASY WALKS MNM INTO LURKS!
Ahh it wasn't a disaster.
effort could've done a trap and obliterate those forces
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Effort going Guardians.
I smell 3-0 for SKT.
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Guardians for effort.
No vessels for fantasy yet.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Hm Guardians.
What the hell Guardians off of 2 gas???
Wtf is that.
Effort with an attack on fantasy's front.
repelled easily.
Guardians still not morphing, no defilers out for effort yet, and fantasy is moving across the map.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
5 Guards morphing for Effort behind fantasy's nat...
DROP FOR FANTASY AT TOP LEFT!
NYDUS LIVES!
Guards not doing anything?
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fantasy mm is really horribad
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LOL fantasy epic fail attack on third base. abandons his tank-ves push as guardians rear their ugly heads on his natural.
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Oh my god!!
Did Effort regain his TvZ senses?
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such an epic fail by fantasy, he had this game
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guards raping!
ow yeah baby
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Guards morphing but effort actually needs some units to stop fantasy straight up killing him.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Here the guardians go!
does fantasy have a way of stopping those guards?
Dunno...
Effort just using those guards to deny fantasy's nat. Any MnM that run in are sooo screwed.
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in a competition of who sucks more, fantasy brings his a-game.
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Guardians actually work and pull fantasy back, a surprising result.
wraiths out as guardians die.
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Should Fantasy be getting some wraiths now?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Ahhh 2 wraithuuuu for fantasy.
Wow gosu wraith micro pwns both scourge.
Oh two more scourge come in, gets a wraith.
Only one guardian left...
Plague on fantasy's stuff....
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This game is lol.
I'm an anti of both but I'm rooting for Effort in this one.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Last guard falls. fantasy denies 9. He takes 3....
I'm surprised at the lack of mech...
OUCH lurker bug gets 5 rines.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Lol wtf plague on 4 rines. Silly.
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Go effort, I want an Ace match.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Wow fantasy showing better MnM control!
AHH VESSEL FLIES OVER DEFILER!! IRRADIATED!
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Canada5565 Posts
Fantasy's MnM micro better than I thought
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effort plague gets in his own lurkers
sigh
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Plagued lurkers, not seen that in a long while.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
fantasy pushing into Effort's nat...
Where are the defiler???
DEFILER GOES IN!
SWARM!
Ahhh...
OH fantasy snipes the nydus!
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Wow Effort getting some damn good plagues off.
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an MnM shaped sword fails to carve a whole in efforts natural purely because of a defiler.
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i don't know whats worst, effort plagues or fantasy tring to fight under the swarm with rines
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On May 08 2010 14:16 Jackal03 wrote:
i don't know whats worst, effort plagues or fantasy tring to fight under the swarm with rines
effort's plagues have been pretty good
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
DMATRIX FIREBATS + MNM RAPE EFFORT'S FOURTH!!!
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cue lag right when anything cool happens...
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Both players have their fair share amount of fail.
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On May 08 2010 14:16 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:16 Jackal03 wrote:
i don't know whats worst, effort plagues or fantasy tring to fight under the swarm with rines effort's plagues have been pretty good
it got better, thank god, his first ones were horribad
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
FIREBATS RAPING!
Effort's 9 compromised!!!!
AHHH HATCH FALLS!
Ultras running in, But rines take two down!!!
Wow Effort in SERIOUS SHIT!
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At this rate Effort will lose.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
EffOrt doing what he does best. guerrilla ultra/ling hits all over the map. Shuts down 3 and 5 temporarily.
That d-matrix firebat changed everything though, what a play.
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On May 08 2010 14:18 Jackal03 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:16 jalstar wrote:On May 08 2010 14:16 Jackal03 wrote:
i don't know whats worst, effort plagues or fantasy tring to fight under the swarm with rines effort's plagues have been pretty good it got better, thank god, his first ones were horribad
If you blow enough plagues some are bound to be good.
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wow effort lost 1000/1000 worth of resources in 20 seconds
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effort doing a good job in using the irradiated cows in his favor
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
IRRADIATED COWS UNABLE TO BREAK FANTASY'S ARMY!!!
And err....
fantasy even with a base advantage unable to completely break effort?
WAAA HUGE PLAGUE ON VESSELS!
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HUGE plague
gets about 8 vessels
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radiating ultras just makes them STRONGER!
or
they just all die.
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Effort plagues all of fantasy's vessels!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
MUTA GETS ALL BUT 2 VESSEL!!!
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SV rape, hero mutas to save the day!
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On May 08 2010 14:21 Tuke wrote:
Effort plagues all of fantasy's vessels!
Two mutas finish four of the vessels outside of EffOrt's top left natural. Fantasy getting hit with EffOrt's famous hit and run play all over the place. 3 is shut down again.
Reminiscent of the proleague finals, fantasy is massing tanks again. Medic/marine take down 9, then are killed by reinforcements.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
how in the world is fantasy getting overwhelmed with 4 fucking gas.
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Fantasy forgot to build imbatanks off his four-gas and might actually lose. How retarded.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Oh wait.
fantasy running into 9 and raping that.....
Ouch but those forces all die to Ultras.
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fantasy gets the 9, but loses all the troops
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
effort playing like a beast
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Oh my god huge numbers of forces coming for effort...
Dear god fantasy DIDN'T EVEN TAKE THE GAS AT HIS OTHER EXPOS.
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Lol thanks
Tanks.
and a wall in which ain't ling tight.
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effort recovering from absurdly bad ZvT conditions. i hope effort gets in form and makes flash earn his OSL (after he makes a fool out of Kal)
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Massed tanks at the bottom left one-shot a few ultras and lings.
We know how fantasy anticipates ending the game. EffOrt HAS to get into fantasy's main before the massed tanks can come out. If fantasy's medic/marine can link up with the tanks, EffOrt loses.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
effort on 6 gas now (probably 3 effective, but w/e)
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"hey fantasy, I heard that if you put more than 3 guys in gas, it actually mines faster"
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
6 rines try to take down 6 but drones buy enough time
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effort morphs the 6 to avoid losing the hatch!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Lol effort using drones to defend 6...
And Ultras come in and rape.
ugh wtf is this fantasy....
fantasy refusing to do anything.
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Effort has, excluding a depleted main and natural, three bases. 6 loses all its drones, and is morphing a lair lol...but effort should have enough gas to deal with the mass tanks.
Maybe a tech switch to guardians would be very effective.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
fantasy heading to 6 to take it out.....
And it's going to fall... I would hope.
Or not.
fantasy doesn't like running up ramps apparently.
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superb defence by effort!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
fantasy's forces all die.
I don't think fantasy got the memo concerning modern tvz.
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excelllent sandwich from effort on fantasy's attack at the 6. Fantasy just camping around and building up tanks/delaying with mnm.
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Come on fantasy....I believe!
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Fantasy fail, doesn't know how to use tanks against ultras.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Effort takes the middle expo....
I'm not LRing this game anymore. fantasy's play depresses me too much.
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effort taking the middle, double gas necessary!
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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all of fantasys SV raped by scourge!
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Scourge cloud takes out all of fantasy's vessels. MACRO, EFFORT, MACROOO
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enough scourge to take down every vessel that fantasy ever and will and has made.
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I liked effort saccing drones to keep 6 and building a lair there
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Cant believe Fantasy hasnt gg yet.
HAHA MEDIC WALL
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fantasy shuts down the 12, but loses all the army again
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Cute medic wall, but it ain't enough to stop all the marines dieing.
looks more and more like efforts to win.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
gg from fantasy. You are such a disappointment....
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fantasy sure is one tough nut to crack
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ramps> fantasy
fantasy ggs
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A surprisingly competent game from both players.
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Hoping for Bisu vs Movie next. ^_^
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wowowow...if effort gets past kal hes going to get absolutely DESTROYED by flash
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EPIC GAME!
Effort walked on such a thin line, its crazy
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fantasy can't bear it that SKT zergs won while he didn't.
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Now time to send soo to clean things up.
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That was some pretty damn good ZvT from EffOrt, but not good enough for Flash...yet.
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Huh. I thought Fantasy had that when it was 3 base vs. 3 base and Effort was out of lurkers.
Guess I don't understand TvZ, or don't understand Fantasy.
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On May 08 2010 14:32 Severedevil wrote:
Huh. I thought Fantasy had that when it was 3 base vs. 3 base and Effort was out of lurkers.
Guess I don't understand TvZ, or don't understand Fantasy.
Hive power.
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I feel Fantasy on this TvZ. I just don't know how to prevent zerg from defending everywhere with swarm until they can stall long enough for ultras, get terran to be defensive, then take more gasses.
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Man, fantasy's TvZ... what can you say? So un-creative, un-inspired, uni-directional.
He needs to watch some Flash VODs.
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On May 08 2010 14:32 iamho wrote:
wowowow...if effort gets past kal hes going to get absolutely DESTROYED by flash
That's not saying a lot these days, Flash destroys everyone :D.
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On May 08 2010 14:32 Severedevil wrote:
Huh. I thought Fantasy had that when it was 3 base vs. 3 base and Effort was out of lurkers.
Guess I don't understand TvZ, or don't understand Fantasy.
Defilers and ultralisks are really good units. Fantasy's Nat wasn't working/was harassed a lot of the game, his third never ran for more than a minute, etc. Effort did everything correctly to get back in that game and Fantasy lacked in multitasking ability to hold down his expansions while maintaining pressure.
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SKT should've expected Effort and sent someone else so that Fantasy could be part of the cleanup crew.
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On May 08 2010 14:32 Weasel- wrote:
That was some pretty damn good ZvT from EffOrt, but not good enough for Flash...yet.
unfortunately effort is gonna have to snap flash's fingers to have good enuth ZvT =P
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On May 08 2010 14:32 Severedevil wrote:
Huh. I thought Fantasy had that when it was 3 base vs. 3 base and Effort was out of lurkers.
Guess I don't understand TvZ, or don't understand Fantasy.
effort defiler+lurkers bought him enought time to transition to cows
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I thought fantasy played a very solid game, Effort just played better.
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On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players.
Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/
If you consider them incompetent then everybody except jaedong / bisu / flash are baddies.
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I don't think effort was ever far behind.
It was close, but he played well throughout.
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On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players. Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/
You don't watch many TvZs involving Effort or fantasy do you...
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On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players. Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/
I don't think you've seen recent Effort ZvTs and Fantasy TvZs. They've been absolutely pathetic.
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On May 08 2010 14:34 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT should've expected Effort and sent someone else so that Fantasy could be part of the cleanup crew.
actually sending a zerg would have been a much better choice
or canata with a timing push, seems like most of effort's 2010 losses were to timing pushes
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On May 08 2010 14:33 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:32 Severedevil wrote:
Huh. I thought Fantasy had that when it was 3 base vs. 3 base and Effort was out of lurkers.
Guess I don't understand TvZ, or don't understand Fantasy. Hive power.
Hive is quite powerful. It just felt like there was a point when Fantasy had not only matched bases, but was able to kick Effort around even under dark swarm because he could afford a pile of firebats + irradiate + d-matrix while Effort didn't have any units.
Maybe I'm too used to Flash bio, and underestimating the power of busting out with ultras.
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fantasy screwed this up more than EffOrt won it.
He split his forces too thin and couldn't break him when he was at an advantage, then he just threw it away.
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i predict a canata vs movie 4th set
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On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players. Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/ If you consider them incompetent then everybody except jaedong / bisu / flash are baddies.
Bisu no longer belongs to that category
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Dude if Bisu doesnt win next round they better send boxer into ace.................everyone knows bisu's coming out no matter what cuz we all no movie's coming out
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On May 08 2010 14:36 Manit0u wrote:fantasy screwed this up more than EffOrt won it. He split his forces too thin and couldn't break him when he was at an advantage, then he just threw it away.
I agree, but let's not be too negative - Effort was plaguing like a monster ever since he researched it. Red poison everywhere.
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On May 08 2010 14:38 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players. Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/ If you consider them incompetent then everybody except jaedong / bisu / flash are baddies. Bisu no longer belongs to that category
Yes sadly... But it was just as an idea of the concept.
But common... fantasy and effort are still the ace players of their teams. Not so long ago they were carrying their team, and still are, in proleague. Thats a bit over the top to say that these two cant provide good games.
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On May 08 2010 14:38 BreakerD wrote:
Dude if Bisu doesnt win next round they better send boxer into ace.................everyone knows bisu's coming out no matter what cuz we all no movie's coming out
Agreed.
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effort's defiler control used to be alot better, this game it was really bad. luckily fantasy had really bad bio control, unnecessarily suicided a ton of units, and didn't bother with drops. he also had large groups of marines without any medics nearby.
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On May 08 2010 14:36 Manit0u wrote:fantasy screwed this up more than EffOrt won it. He split his forces too thin and couldn't break him when he was at an advantage, then he just threw it away.
Are you kidding? fantasy kept his army intact the entire game, but EffOrt was able to chip away at the edges constantly, then hit multiple places at once with the wonderfully powerful ultra/ling. Also, EffOrt plagued like the rat flea.
On May 08 2010 14:35 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players. Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/ I don't think you've seen recent Effort ZvTs and Fantasy TvZs. They've been absolutely pathetic.
EffOrt's ZvT has been pretty bad, but fantasy has simply been beaten twice with that fast vulture build, which, to be fair isn't that bad at all, it's just that he's had to face goddamn Jaedong who reacts perfectly to everything, and Calm who reacted well mysteriously.
But we all know the legend of the tiebreaker says that EffOrt can't lose in either ZvZ or ZvT until he wins the OSL.
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Do you guys think T1 could have made this next set easier by sending a fall guy to play against effort so that Fantasy/Bisu could play Movie for the match?
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Sick play from effort and fantasy, that game was awesome.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
COME ON HYDRAA GOGOGO CJJ!!! topple the evil skt1s
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hydra is quite bad against toss, i guess the trainer was not very confident in movie's PvP after his crushing defeat agains pure
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:o that's not Movie!! lol
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They could send Canata, but Boxer would be spice.
I really like how Effort turned the 6 o'clock into a lair to save it, and then let it finish. Pretty sick because it was right next to Fantasy's 4th and he had bases on the other side of the map to worry about too.
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He also failed to understand the hit and run tactics. It looked like he just a-moved a bunch of rines to Effort's expos and forgot about them... If he only went in, killed the hatch and then move out, he would be in a much better position later on.
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Best is the best player SKT could have sent against hydra.
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Match Point:
ZvP: 79-49 (61.7%)
Geesh.
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On May 08 2010 14:43 SuperArc wrote:
Best is the best player SKT could have sent against hydra.
canata?
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BeSt pvz isn't bad and CJ sends a rookie against him?
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On May 08 2010 14:42 Manit0u wrote:
He also failed to understand the hit and run tactics. It looked like he just a-moved a bunch of rines to Effort's expos and forgot about them... If he only went in, killed the hatch and then move out, he would be in a much better position later on.
When EffOrt didn't have reinforcements in time, they came seconds later. Fantasy was forced to fight for literally every inch of ground he moved to.
I have a feeling you've just decided that fantasy sucks at TvZ and are now determined to prove it. That was a very good game by both players.
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On May 08 2010 14:43 SuperArc wrote:Best is the best player SKT could have sent against Hydra.
I see what you did there.
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On May 08 2010 14:44 Jackal03 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:43 SuperArc wrote:
Best is the best player SKT could have sent against hydra. canata?
Hydra has very solid ZvT. In fact it's better than his ZvP.
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gogogo hydra, i wanna see some movie tonight!
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I'm calling it right now. Bisu vs Movie in Ace.
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how did everyone forget msl ro32 already?
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On May 08 2010 14:46 hp.Shell wrote:I'm calling it right now. Bisu vs Movie in Ace.
would be awesome, expecially if movie won in an epic game
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On May 08 2010 14:46 hp.Shell wrote:I'm calling it right now. Bisu vs Movie in Ace.
Just hope best pvz fails.
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On May 08 2010 14:47 FireGuyX wrote:Just hope best pvz fails.
Seriously. Best's worst mu is vZ, AND it's a map that favors ZvP 61%. -.-
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On May 08 2010 14:49 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:47 FireGuyX wrote:On May 08 2010 14:46 hp.Shell wrote:I'm calling it right now. Bisu vs Movie in Ace. Just hope best pvz fails. Seriously. Best's worst mu is vZ, AND it's a map that favors ZvP 61%. -.-
I don't trust the statistics for match point. They suggest that P is favored over T and Z is favored over P... I think the opposite is the case.
I'm pretty sure they've been polluted by offlines, which really shouldn't count.
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can all of hydra's units get out of that expo?
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LOL look at Boxer cheering on his teammate
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awkward boxer clapping hahaha
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lol boxer clapping when the mutas die haha
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Hydra got a little bit too cute with his mutalisks and loses them to corsairs and a archon
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time for shshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshsh
FTW
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
best has so many templar. hydra still not expanding o _O
what can all those hydras do
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
LOOOL HYDRA YOU SUUUUUUCK
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wow that was so fucking fail
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Zerg couldn't just take the contain and be happy with it? Maybe add a few lurkers while expanding?
Looking good for Best now that Hydra lost a few dozen hydras.
EDIT: This works a lot better on maps like HBR where Protoss can't claim a fairly easy third.
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it's ok guys Hydra is getting a new watch tomorrow!
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
is it me or is the hatch at 6 a grid off?
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Hydra threw the game. Failmuta followed by Failhydras nododging storms followed by goon cleanup and sairs vs OLs. It's as good as over.
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hydra with not many minerals either lol
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shuttle has no privacy, first the OL sees it, now the ling sees it
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best rolls over all the hydras
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Hydra: lol look at me I build hydras and lose
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wow, best decides to sit on the lurkers and loses more troops then he should
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Fuck you Hydra...
Wtf this was the worst ht sniping I've ever seen...
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Best pushes out from his third. Storms rape 20+ hydras.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Hydra. Is. Boned.
SKT 3-1. LOOOOL.
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Dear lord thats how bisu use to play
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
BeSt has this, goddammit. GG.
I blame sKyHigh. How are you supposed to want to play starcraft after that embarrassing opening display?
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
GG from Hydra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get out Hydra. Get out.
SKT 3-1. CJ fans are sad.
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lol 3 lurkers aren't gonna save you hydra! types out. gg
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OMFG SKT1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hydra gg's
sigh, too bad CJ
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On May 08 2010 14:58 SuperArc wrote:
god am I pissed off now.
You should be. Tell your team to stop sucking ASAP.
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GG! Best played really nice!
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1/2 LB, come on CJ, stop doing that
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Why did hydra make his lurkers so late? He coul've put up nice contaiment and defend his 3rd and 4th nicely T_T
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Usual fanta TvZ fail, Bisu not gd enough to play. Sad.
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Hydra, I am disappointed.
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DOH JAE WOOK, now thats what I like to see.
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SKT1 Zergs 2-0
And Best rapes PvZ
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On May 08 2010 14:59 Tuke wrote:
Why did hydra make his lurkers so late? He coul've put up nice contaiment and defend his 3rd and 4th nicely T_T
Hydra lost the game when he suicided a ctrl group of mutas to snipe one ht out of five?
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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bisu doesn't look happy in that huddle
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T1 coach's plans were superior for this series, very well played
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Canada5565 Posts
The observer popped at the perfect time, I was wondering why his dragoons were standing on top of 4 lurkers
After that contain broke, that Hydra must have known it would against 3 base toss, he crumpled so fast.
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Best had one HT with 74 energy when Hydra attack, hoho
And Hydra sniped 2/5 HT.
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hahaha hydra only used hydras, it sounds reasonable.
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On May 08 2010 15:02 kmdarkmaster wrote:
hahaha hydra only used hydras, it sounds reasonable.
Well hes not Shine.
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Talking of Shine.
CJ coach, please send Hydra to the WeMade house so Shine can teach Hydra how to use mutas in pvz. It was disgusting to see how he failed.
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On May 08 2010 15:01 Jackal03 wrote:
T1 coach's plans were superior for this series, very well played
It's pretty sad that the plan for T1 to win is "don't send Bisu" =[
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On May 08 2010 15:11 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 15:01 Jackal03 wrote:
T1 coach's plans were superior for this series, very well played It's pretty sad that the plan for T1 to win is "don't send Bisu" =[
In real life you better know your role, if you been losing and you have a high chance of losing. Know your role and step aside..........
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I think it's better to send Bisu out on game with low pressure (like when SKT is already 2-0 up with Hyuk and Soo delivered the 2 wins) so that he can play comfortably and slowly gain back his confidence. Right now it's like even Bisu himself knows he's not gonna make it ...
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On May 08 2010 15:20 nayumi wrote:
I think it's better to send Bisu out on game with low pressure (like when SKT is already 2-0 up with Hyuk and Soo delivered the 2 wins) so that he can play comfortably and slowly gain back his confidence. Right now it's like even Bisu himself knows he's not gonna make it ...
yeah bisu woulda lost to hydra!!!
wait what?
even with bisu slumping i dont see that happening.
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On May 08 2010 15:23 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 15:20 nayumi wrote:
I think it's better to send Bisu out on game with low pressure (like when SKT is already 2-0 up with Hyuk and Soo delivered the 2 wins) so that he can play comfortably and slowly gain back his confidence. Right now it's like even Bisu himself knows he's not gonna make it ... yeah bisu woulda lost to hydra!!! wait what? even with bisu slumping i dont see that happening.
I would most certainly have said the same about go.go, Juni and Lomo too... =/
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On May 08 2010 15:20 nayumi wrote:
I think it's better to send Bisu out on game with low pressure (like when SKT is already 2-0 up with Hyuk and Soo delivered the 2 wins) so that he can play comfortably and slowly gain back his confidence. Right now it's like even Bisu himself knows he's not gonna make it ...
And if Bisu loses? He's used to being the ace. I don't think he'd take too well to being babysat (and still losing).
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On May 08 2010 15:45 StorrZerg wrote:
so who is playin
?
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On May 08 2010 15:52 JohnColtrane wrote:?
sigh nvm i thought it was an ace match since people mentioned bisu
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bisu not playing is gonna kill sc
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On May 08 2010 16:03 fearus wrote:
bisu not playing is gonna kill sc
i remember you saying that before lol
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Vatican City State101 Posts
Woho, BeSt winning some games lately. :D Effort in good shape as well, his matches against Kal are something to look forward to.
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BeSt's pvz isn't bad as some people think it is. Actually he has one of the better pvz compared to most progamers.
It seems like Coach Ho doesn't trust Movie's pvt or pvp. I can't blame him, but he needs to stop saving his best players and sometimes put Movie out in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd set.
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Fantasy is SO bad at TvZ it's getting out of control.
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Best wins = SKT wins, again.
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On May 08 2010 16:09 JohnColtrane wrote:i remember you saying that before lol
well it has for me
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Hopefully Bisu not playing means he practised for the ace match...
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On May 08 2010 16:09 JohnColtrane wrote:i remember you saying that before lol
hehe i actually said bisu not winning would kill sc...
think about it.. bisu plays and loses = this thread woulda been on page 40 easy...
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SKT zergs aren't messing around anymore!
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That was great aggressive muta micro from s2 in the first game. I noticed he got +1 attack first. I thought usually it's always supposed to be +1 armor first?
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best fighting!
should have sent out bisu though
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On May 08 2010 23:33 tomatriedes wrote:
That was great aggressive muta micro from s2 in the first game. I noticed he got +1 attack first. I thought usually it's always supposed to be +1 armor first?
Depends. If you're playing against SK terran, you get air attack since the speed that turrets, marines, and SCVs die becomes stupidly fast. If you're playing against mech, you get air armor to abuse the fact that unupgraded goliaths are actually pretty inefficient against mutalisks.
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On May 08 2010 18:02 Vanka wrote:
Best wins = SKT wins, again.
Just like that other series they just played, right?
Also, 3 wins in a row for BeSt? I'd like to be excited, but whenever I was excited for him in the past, I've met with nothing but crushing disappointment...
Go out there and win some more games, BeSt! Make me believe in you again!
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BeSt + s2 = my favorite night of the month
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On May 08 2010 14:39 dafunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 14:38 nayumi wrote:On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players. Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/ If you consider them incompetent then everybody except jaedong / bisu / flash are baddies. Bisu no longer belongs to that category Yes sadly... But it was just as an idea of the concept. But common... fantasy and effort are still the ace players of their teams. Not so long ago they were carrying their team, and still are, in proleague. Thats a bit over the top to say that these two cant provide good games.
Look man, Fantasy is bad at TvZ, and he always has been. Eff0rt used to be a MONSTER ZvT player and then crash and burned Savior style. While Eff0rt isn't sucking like he was only a month ago you don't expect a good TvZ nowadays when the match is Eff0rt vs Fantasy.
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it feels like a year since SKT won a series
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
You know, fantasy played that TvZ exactly like his match against Jaedong in the proleague playoffs on Outsider. Pure SK terran to control the middle, take expansions aggressively, slowly mass tanks... win.
And in fact, he killed several of EffOrt's expos which he couldn't do against Jaedong. But he also lost expos of his own, and that's why that strategy didn't work. Because there were no island-y expos like there are on Outsider, both player's expos were much more vulnerable, and even though fantasy dominated the middle of the map on Fighting Spirit, EffOrt was a able to do a ton of damage with small groups of units in multiple spots, something EffOrt does all the time in ZvP, and is very good at it. In the end game, fantasy simply couldn't get a large enough ball up to support his tanks, and EffOrt was mass expanding, so he couldn't afford to sit back and defend either.
Seems like the crucial moment in the game was the guardians, which did just enough damage, and forced fantasy to make wraiths instead of vessels, which hurt fantasy's army strength by increasing increments down the line.
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SKT's strategy of having 2 zergs and Best winning isn't going to work all time... fantasy and Bisu need to shape up for SK to make the playoffs.
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On May 09 2010 03:20 amazingoopah wrote:
SKT's strategy of having 2 zergs and Best winning isn't going to work all time... fantasy and Bisu need to shape up for SK to make the playoffs.
Give Fantasy a break. He came through against KT.
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SKT Zergs leading the team to a win against CJ! Just wow...
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
What is this?
SKTT1 zergs winning (I called it) and BeSt wins another PvZ?
Lulz.
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