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2010 Shinhan Bank Proleague Round 4 Week 3 (MBC), hite SPARKYZ vs Hwaseung OZ Saturday, Apr 24 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
I love the fact that KT Rolster and Hwaseung OZ generally play tandem on the same night. Besides being the teams that contain my two favourite players, Flash and Jaedong, these are the two teams that also tend to rely most heavily upon their above-named aces. Whenever Jaedong does well, OZ can generally expect a victory, and when Flash wins KT can generally pull out the ace match as long as one other KT player scores a victory. However, whenever these two players lose the team tends to do poorly: Jaedong's less-than-stellar (by his standards) performance in Winner's League ended up with OZ being unable to secure a playoff spot. During KT Rolster vs hite SPARKYZ, where Flash failed to defeat Leta, KT Rolster was subjected to an All-Kill at the hands of the 2-Port Wraither as well as their first and only loss of the Winner's League. Interestingly enough, Jaedong would rampage through Hite the following week, taking his only All-Kill in the team's final match; a bittersweet victory, indeed.
Either way, Jaedong is now on a 16-game win streak against Hite, but can the rest of his team deliver? Hwaseung OZ hasn't been doing too hot this round, losing to Air Force ACE, of all teams, last week. Jaedong and Killer both failed to deliver, with Jaedong continuing his appalling streak of losing vT. Where has the ZvT that Jaedong was so renowned for at the end of 2009 and beginning of 2010? It was once said that Jaedong was the only zerg player able to stand toe-to-toe with Flash's TvZ, but since the MSL finals Jaedong has lost to such players as RuBy and DarkElf, not to mention Jaedong being knocked out of the OSL and dropping a MSL Ro32 game to up-and-comer BaBy. With a 1-2 record, Hwaseung OZ is not performing so well. True, they did win over WeMade FOX in a close 3-2 match with Jaedong taking two wins in ZJvZ, but the same JvZ lost Hwaseung OZ the match 1-3 against STX SouL, with Jaedong going down in Set 4 at the hands of ZvZ specialist Modesty. The real question tonight is, can Jaedong pull everything together and be the champion he once was (still is? ), or will his win streak against Hite be finally broken? And even more importantly, will the rest of OZ hold together through the match?
It can be said of hite SPARKYZ that Leta is the only player holding the team together, as espoused by snowdrift86 in the latest (and highly baller) Proleague update. With YellOw[ArnC] (why won't his name TLPDize, hmm...) slumping and under investigation for match rigging, Hite doesn't have too much to bring to the table. Sure, they have PvP champion and cheddar connoisseur Horang2, but OZ will only be fielding PerfectMan... if they field him at all. Perhaps go.go (what he won't TLPDize either?) will take the stage and Deep Six somebody off the map. However, hite is going to have a tough time tonight. Like OZ, Hite has a 1-2 record, losing a close 2-3 match to CJ Entus as well as a 1-3 loss to SK Telecom T1, and winning 3-2 against Samsung KHAN, with Leta taking two wins over great and firebathero in the ace. Either way, I expect tonight's match to be close, but don't look at me; I'm terrible at these predictions...
Woot proleague! Now I have something to do while I wait four hours for my starcraft 2 client to reisntall because the stupid patch freezes halfway through every time
On April 24 2010 13:02 chongu wrote: SO many similarities..: One good player... no decent Protoss players.... this is gona be close, guys :D D D HYPPPEE~
On April 24 2010 11:55 Kyuukyuu wrote: Watch JD lose to Puma or someone else equally uninteresting and then go into failure depression mode and then we get Killer ace match again
Lomo getting his third up, Yarnc trying to rebuild his natural. He's got a lot of lings/lurks for a person who just lost his natural, but Lomo's got a shitload of MnM, as well as two vessels
2 dropships manage to pass a few muta and scourge (heading for the third), but Yarnc quickly catches up to them and takes out one of the dropships. The other one fails to do much drone killing, but it does buy time for Lomo to send 2 more dropships directly into the main, although one of them got sniped as well.
He managed to delay mining time, as Yarnc was forced to pull drones
How many dropships did Lomo suicide into scourge... I counted at least 5 and I joined the stream while they were in the late game already. ZvT has been looking abysmal for the last five months.
abysmal game.... bad marine vs lurker micro..... bad muta micro vs plagued vessels... stray marines running everywhere... dropships flying into scourges zzzz... yet lomo wins
Yarnc's defense was actually pretty solid but he couldn't come back from his initial disadvantage (not doing very much with mutas and getting his nat taken down).
Lomo's dropship losses I would say are due more to Yarnc's good play rather than Lomo's bad play.
On April 24 2010 13:54 Warrior Madness wrote: How many dropships did Lomo suicide into scourge... I counted at least 5 and I joined the stream while they were in the late game already. ZvT has been looking abysmal for the last five months.
On April 24 2010 13:52 Kwanroller wrote: Oh my god Yarnc. Why did you let 8 scourge attack a science facility?
Hite is such a horrible team.
LOL. WOW. Way to jump to conclusions dude.
Hite is not that bad of a team, also they have some good players, like leta!
also 1 misclick.
Yeah and Leta is the only all round good player Hite has. Unfortunately, he's not even as good at Sea or Light at proleague right now and two port wraith doesn't work on anyone these days.
Yarnc didn't do that bad at holding his ground once hive tech kicked in (still sloppy as hell though) but his pre hive tech play was some of the worst I've seen recently.
On April 24 2010 13:52 Kwanroller wrote: Oh my god Yarnc. Why did you let 8 scourge attack a science facility?
Hite is such a horrible team.
LOL. WOW. Way to jump to conclusions dude.
Hite is not that bad of a team, also they have some good players, like leta!
also 1 misclick.
Yeah and Leta is the only all round good player Hite has. Unfortunately, he's not even as good at Sea or Light at proleague right now and two port wraith doesn't work on anyone these days.
Yarnc didn't do that bad at holding his ground once hive tech kicked in (still sloppy as hell though) but his pre hive tech play was some of the worst I've seen recently.
but at least leta has a winning record against flash ;], light is 0-7 vs flash, the only game sea beat flash is a game that didnt matter, oh+ Show Spoiler +
and sea just lost to flash again just now
but yeah... i was unimpressed with yarncs' play before he got to hive, then he just held on because of lomos' incompetent late game play
On April 24 2010 13:52 Kwanroller wrote: Oh my god Yarnc. Why did you let 8 scourge attack a science facility?
Hite is such a horrible team.
LOL. WOW. Way to jump to conclusions dude.
Hite is not that bad of a team, also they have some good players, like leta!
also 1 misclick.
Yeah and Leta is the only all round good player Hite has. Unfortunately, he's not even as good at Sea or Light at proleague right now and two port wraith doesn't work on anyone these days.
Yarnc didn't do that bad at holding his ground once hive tech kicked in (still sloppy as hell though) but his pre hive tech play was some of the worst I've seen recently.
but at least leta has a winning record against flash ;], light is 0-7 vs flash, the only game sea beat flash is a game that didnt matter, oh and sea just lost to flash again just now
but yeah... i was unimpressed with yarncs' play before he got to hive, then he just held on because of lomos' incompetent late game play
On April 24 2010 14:15 SuperArc wrote: It was smart from Oz coach to sacrifice PM to Leta since Hiya can rape anyone on Hite except Leta.
I think it would more like Oz coach has each player just practice for a certain map instead of in response to anyone being sent out especially because nobody knows the lineups.
On April 24 2010 14:42 ItsBigfoot wrote: you know op, if you have the first spoiler tag on the results, you don't need to put every separate match in spoilers
Yeah I agree. I hate clicking all those mass spoiler tags inside spoiler tags along all the other spoiler tags. Why are everyone doing them nowdays?? It's also horrible when they link images instead of simple and small "Player 1 > Player 2" to where the results should be.
absolutely beautifully done he didnt get nervous at all, waited - cleaned up the mines, pulled back and back and back until he could swarm + push from all sides perfectly
Jaedong's play this game has been sublime. Absolutely sublime.
Perfect unit composition. Perfect taking of expansions. Perfect scouting. Perfect response to scouting. Perfect early game. Perfect, meticulous destruction of Leta's army. Perfect mix of aggression and patience. Perfect little micro tricks.
On April 24 2010 15:40 chongu wrote: bio-mech counter already?
Leta let it get spotted.
Leta losing to such a build is not surprising at all considering the quality of his game sense in TvP and TvZ. Its why he'll never hang with the best terrans.
On April 24 2010 15:45 n.DieJokes wrote: There is no logical reason why Jaedong rapes Hite so hard. It spits in the face of everything even resembling logic
Yes there is. Hite has no good ZvZers (Yarnc is their best ZvZer), has some of the worst protoss players, and have pretty generic terrans that get outclassed by good players easily. Leta is good but that's all he is: just good...not great or amazing but just good.
On April 24 2010 15:45 n.DieJokes wrote: There is no logical reason why Jaedong rapes Hite so hard. It spits in the face of everything even resembling logic
Yes there is. Hite has no good ZvZers (Yarnc is their best ZvZer), has some of the worst protoss players, and have pretty generic terrans that get outclassed by good players easily. Leta is good but that's all he is: just good...not great or amazing but just good.
Indeed. Leta only looks strong when he plays average or mediocre opponents, his unusual builds and his control really shine in those situations.
Against top players, though...an entirely different story.
On April 24 2010 15:45 n.DieJokes wrote: There is no logical reason why Jaedong rapes Hite so hard. It spits in the face of everything even resembling logic
Yes there is. Hite has no good ZvZers (Yarnc is their best ZvZer), has some of the worst protoss players, and have pretty generic terrans that get outclassed by good players easily. Leta is good but that's all he is: just good...not great or amazing but just good.
Yarnc has good ZvZ as does type-B, having rarely played protoss players works against his streak because he's absurdly dominant in the mu. Go through the opponents he's lost against, it's like a list of mediocre Terrans. AND even if everything you said was true and relevant it still doesn't explain why it's Hite; why not estro they fit all the same parameters. Why not ACE, all their players are over the hill. Why not CJ, they have mediocre players coming out the whazoo.
On April 24 2010 15:45 n.DieJokes wrote: There is no logical reason why Jaedong rapes Hite so hard. It spits in the face of everything even resembling logic
Yes there is. Hite has no good ZvZers (Yarnc is their best ZvZer), has some of the worst protoss players, and have pretty generic terrans that get outclassed by good players easily. Leta is good but that's all he is: just good...not great or amazing but just good.
Yarnc has good ZvZ as does type-B, having rarely played protoss players works against his streak because he's absurdly dominant in the mu. Go through the opponents he's lost against, it's like a list of mediocre Terrans. AND even if everything you said was true and relevant it still doesn't explain why it's Hite; why not estro they fit all the same parameters. Why not ACE, all their players are over the hill. Why not CJ, they have mediocre players coming out the whazoo.
Yarnc and Type-B have good ZvZ? Are you serious? Those two are mediocre at best. You must be thinking of Luxury but he's gone off to KT.
And the terrans he has lost to are not mediocre at TvZ. Light and Ruby are some of the top TvZers and Baby is playing extremely well. Darkelf is kind of mediocre but he had a sick mech into bio switch.
We're talking about recent games here not in the past. CJ doesn't fit the parameters because they're always been good at sniping (read: cheese) and Effort used to be a beast. eStro basically does fit the parameters (Upmagic is literally 1-6 vs Jaedong) but Hyvaa is at least good enough to know exactly what he's doing and abuse the nature of ZvZ even if his mechanics are bad. ACE right now doesn't fit the parameters because Ruby still has some of the best TvZ in the proscene right now - Ruby is the sole reason why they keep winning against Oz since his TvZ is so good.
Everyone knows how bad Leta's game sense is. Anyone can grab a few games where he has lost due to bad scouting or just assuming things (against Hyvaa's 6/7 pool, against Luxury's fake hydralisk den, etc). Its partly the reason why everyone just assumed he cheated against Forgg since Leta isn't known for being that smart.
On April 27 2010 07:19 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: That last game was just beautiful. JD is awesome.
BTW, when was the last time Hite won against Oz?
2008, back when I think they where still OGN. Hiya lost to Leta in the ace match. After that OZ have won 9 games in a row vs Hite. Jaedong's last loss against them was in his very first proleague match in the 08-09 season, but he then won against go.go in the ace. Also, in the 08-09 season every game between them ended 3-2, with Jaedong taking every ace game ( and a 4-3 reverse all kill in SWL).
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