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On March 13 2010 06:31 machinehead.. wrote:
I still have the image in my head of Bisu being olympic rank on PGT with the sickest record ever, and most pros played then too. From olympic rank with like less than 20 losses to not even being able to get out of the C ranks. Tell me it's a joke. Would be beyond depressing if not.
I and zimp came to a conclusion that it's not Bisu. It's some korean amateur with same hotkeys as Bisu.
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Roffles
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On March 13 2010 06:47 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 06:31 machinehead.. wrote:
I still have the image in my head of Bisu being olympic rank on PGT with the sickest record ever, and most pros played then too. From olympic rank with like less than 20 losses to not even being able to get out of the C ranks. Tell me it's a joke. Would be beyond depressing if not. I and zimp came to a conclusion that it's not Bisu. It's some korean amateur with same hotkeys as Bisu.
Is it cause you refuse to believe that Bisu is that bad, or you legitimately think it's an amateur who copied hotkeys (which is possible)?
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On March 13 2010 06:51 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 06:47 roMAD wrote:On March 13 2010 06:31 machinehead.. wrote:
I still have the image in my head of Bisu being olympic rank on PGT with the sickest record ever, and most pros played then too. From olympic rank with like less than 20 losses to not even being able to get out of the C ranks. Tell me it's a joke. Would be beyond depressing if not. I and zimp came to a conclusion that it's not Bisu. It's some korean amateur with same hotkeys as Bisu. Is it cause you refuse to believe that Bisu is that bad, or you legitimately think it's an amateur who copied hotkeys (which is possible)?
The latter. I am too lazy to list all the things we've found suspicious and it's mostly zimp's credit, so i will leave that to him 
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hmm ive never seen hotkeys that close before
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dont know but here 1 more of reckoner replays tvz
[url blocked]
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I played him tvz last season or something. I don't think there is a "known" Polish terran that doesn't play TVT so any aka is probably just as obscure.
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On March 13 2010 06:31 machinehead.. wrote:
I still have the image in my head of Bisu being olympic rank on PGT with the sickest record ever, and most pros played then too. From olympic rank with like less than 20 losses to not even being able to get out of the C ranks. Tell me it's a joke. Would be beyond depressing if not.
Ya actually, speaking of which, I saw a little video few weeks ago of flash, savior and bisu all talking to each other about iCCup. It was an old video but it was still very interesting. Bisu mentioned how he got #1 on PGT server on an account called ILoveJS, which had a sick record. Another interesting thing was that FlaSh was talking about playing some zerg 2-3 times and how sick that zerg was (talked about how each games were about 40 mins). He continued to say that he thought it was jaedong and then eventually they realized that it was sAvior who was the zerg.
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On March 13 2010 09:57 YoonHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 06:31 machinehead.. wrote:
I still have the image in my head of Bisu being olympic rank on PGT with the sickest record ever, and most pros played then too. From olympic rank with like less than 20 losses to not even being able to get out of the C ranks. Tell me it's a joke. Would be beyond depressing if not. Ya actually, speaking of which, I saw a little video few weeks ago of flash, savior and bisu all talking to each other about iCCup. It was an old video but it was still very interesting. Bisu mentioned how he got #1 on PGT server on an account called ILoveJS, which had a sick record. Another interesting thing was that FlaSh was talking about playing some zerg 2-3 times and how sick that zerg was (talked about how each games were about 40 mins). He continued to say that he thought it was jaedong and then eventually they realized that it was sAvior who was the zerg.
I saw that video, which was awesomeness, but I don't remember Bisu's pgt account being brought up. But yeah, before anyone really knew who bisu was, he absolutely destroyed PGT, and then a few months later it become apparent why he destroyed PGT, as he went on to destroy pro league. I hear jaedong doesn't play ladders 
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ive always wondered who reckoner was
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i dont know many 400apm protoss players. Care to list any so i can check?
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On March 13 2010 06:53 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 06:51 Roffles wrote:On March 13 2010 06:47 roMAD wrote:On March 13 2010 06:31 machinehead.. wrote:
I still have the image in my head of Bisu being olympic rank on PGT with the sickest record ever, and most pros played then too. From olympic rank with like less than 20 losses to not even being able to get out of the C ranks. Tell me it's a joke. Would be beyond depressing if not. I and zimp came to a conclusion that it's not Bisu. It's some korean amateur with same hotkeys as Bisu. Is it cause you refuse to believe that Bisu is that bad, or you legitimately think it's an amateur who copied hotkeys (which is possible)? The latter. I am too lazy to list all the things we've found suspicious and it's mostly zimp's credit, so i will leave that to him
i asked for his reps from sziky and he said jugded by his play its no way that its bisu. i was already suspicious because of his record and the fact that bisu is on holiday, so i spent quite some time analizing the details of bisu's hotkeys and jotbbong's hotkeys and found some minor differences in the usage.
if anyone interested, the differences are (i hope jotbbong doesn't read this):
-jotbbong's apm/eapm is lower by ~50-30 compared to bisu's practice matches.
-his 6 gw spam is harder
-he doesnt collect hts on 4 like bisu does
-he uses 6-7-8-9 more precisely than bisu
-he doesnt slide stargate to 7 after 6 in pvz when only having 1 sg
-his probe assign spam is weaker and always assigns 4 probes on 1 at start while bisu does that with the nexus most of the time.
-i also noticed that bisu has a bit different hotkeys in his recent iccup replays and i thought its a mark of lazyness, but romad told me he intentionally changes them a bit in public ladder games so he is less recognizable. its quite funny. jotbbong didn't do this.
in addition a guy i know wrote to him on iccup before:
'i think i know who you are'
answer:
'MY HOTKEY IS BISU OK'
'but I'm not bisu'
lol
btw its still a very good copy. only way he could do that i think, is that he sat down, looked at bisu reps in bwchart, and studied the small details, plus he watched bisu's games checking the hotkeys ingame. only this way its possible i think that he massassigs probes with somewhat of the same logic, or slides the shuttle 2-3->3->4, or puts gw from 5 to 6 some small time before observer pops out to take its hotkey on 5, just to say some expamples. i cant imagine that these stuff like he puts his corsairs to 0 when theres no more hotkey for units are matching by blind chance. the basic pattern's sameness is already a big deal, but these are small details. whats more, the pattern looks like bisu to the eye, which is probably the hardest: to maintain the right amount of spam. i dont know how much time he might have spent on practicing this, but its quite impressive to me. whats more, he is able to maintain a decent ~A- skill. and bisu's hotkeys are much harder to copy then oov's imo (zero). you might try to copy his keys, you will fail to something like this:
http://sc.ygosu.com/replay/download.yg?idx=69136
i should organise a bisu-hotkey copying tour lol.
ah one last thing id like to say: fu jotbbong for fooling me^^
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reckoner is just an unknown polish T, he's used that aka for like 10 iccup seasons - I 2-0'd him before, but he's gotten good...
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I love how this thread is like Sherlock Holmes. I enjoy reading it, with everyone coming up with their conclusions and arguments <3!
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the "unknown polish T" happens to be SzajnA and he is really good nowadays ;]
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Terran is by.me (oscar[white])!!! He's still playing, great!
edit: don't know the toss sorry lol
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On March 13 2010 11:53 jimminy_kriket wrote:
i dont know many 400apm protoss players. Care to list any so i can check?
i have 390-420 xD
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roMAD Thanks Have a nice day ^^
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