FrOzen < Judgment Day > YellOw[ArnC] Intense, entertaining low-econ game. At least that's how I saw it. You might /facepalm really hard watching this game. But still worth watching.
I think STX has too many Z snipers for Yarnc to be much of a problem. I think Leta is their best shot at taking this, but even he is considerable underdog to Kal and Calm.
someone needs to make a new guide on how to get afreeca to work, my recent attempts have been futile although it could be the fact im running windows 7 and not xp
On January 31 2010 12:49 gemini24 wrote: This should be a fun set with both teams having a good collection of snipers. If Yarnc wins the first game, I'm expecting Hwasin what do u guys think?
no way will hwasin go vs yarnc. did you watch their osl game? if yarnc wins, kal or calm will 100% be sent out.
On January 31 2010 12:34 3clipse wrote: I think STX has too many Z snipers for Yarnc to be much of a problem. I think Leta is their best shot at taking this, but even he is considerable underdog to Kal and Calm.
On January 31 2010 12:49 gemini24 wrote: This should be a fun set with both teams having a good collection of snipers. If Yarnc wins the first game, I'm expecting Hwasin what do u guys think?
no way will hwasin go vs yarnc. did you watch their osl game? if yarnc wins, kal or calm will 100% be sent out.
Yes i did see that game. I was just thinking the maps ahead of him could help out a terran player more. You probably are right tho.
On January 31 2010 12:34 3clipse wrote: I think STX has too many Z snipers for Yarnc to be much of a problem. I think Leta is their best shot at taking this, but even he is considerable underdog to Kal and Calm.
I need to watch these games on concentrate, people on chat are so ignorant, a lot of them don't understand how all-in Frozean was. They didn't even realize he was on one base until the very end.
Let's be honest here. If the quality of these games can't top the absolute terrible-ness of that last game, then I think it's time these two teams were relegated to minor league play only.
On January 31 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Let's be honest here. If the quality of these games can't top the absolute terrible-ness of that last game, then I think it's time these two teams were relegated to minor league play only.
That was such a bad game.
Yarnc played well, wtf. Frozean could've won that with better MnM micro but it wasn't ever "in the bag" unless he took down Yarnc's expo.
On January 31 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Let's be honest here. If the quality of these games can't top the absolute terrible-ness of that last game, then I think it's time these two teams were relegated to minor league play only.
That was such a bad game.
Yarnc played well, wtf. Frozean could've won that with better MnM micro but it wasn't ever "in the bag" unless he took down Yarnc's expo.
yeah wtf, yarnc did REALLY good. it reminded me of goodfriend vs july
On January 31 2010 13:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: I need to watch these games on concentrate, people on chat are so ignorant, a lot of them don't understand how all-in Frozean was. They didn't even realize he was on one base until the very end.
On January 31 2010 13:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: I need to watch these games on concentrate, people on chat are so ignorant, a lot of them don't understand how all-in Frozean was. They didn't even realize he was on one base until the very end.
On January 31 2010 13:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: I need to watch these games on concentrate, people on chat are so ignorant, a lot of them don't understand how all-in Frozean was. They didn't even realize he was on one base until the very end.
On January 31 2010 13:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: I need to watch these games on concentrate, people on chat are so ignorant, a lot of them don't understand how all-in Frozean was. They didn't even realize he was on one base until the very end.
Yeah, they're worse than youtube comments <_<
just watch from TL user stream
Oh, I've used c.zeroboy.net ever since I found out about it. The best thing ever in the world of livestream.
On January 31 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Let's be honest here. If the quality of these games can't top the absolute terrible-ness of that last game, then I think it's time these two teams were relegated to minor league play only.
That was such a bad game.
Yarnc played well, wtf. Frozean could've won that with better MnM micro but it wasn't ever "in the bag" unless he took down Yarnc's expo.
yeah wtf, yarnc did REALLY good. it reminded me of goodfriend vs july
Yarnc played well after losing that first hatch, and letting a few mutas get sniped needlessly. It's mainly Cuteangel, whom I'm talking about, rallying units constantly into mutalisks for a good five minutes, and just generally sucking at the whole defending against mutalisks thing.
On January 31 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Let's be honest here. If the quality of these games can't top the absolute terrible-ness of that last game, then I think it's time these two teams were relegated to minor league play only.
That was such a bad game.
Yarnc played well, wtf. Frozean could've won that with better MnM micro but it wasn't ever "in the bag" unless he took down Yarnc's expo.
yeah wtf, yarnc did REALLY good. it reminded me of goodfriend vs july
Yarnc played well after losing that first hatch, and letting a few mutas get sniped needlessly. It's mainly Cuteangel, whom I'm talking about, rallying units constantly into mutalisks for a good five minutes, and just generally sucking at the whole defending against mutalisks thing.
He kind of needed to rally, and he couldn't move his force back to escort the reinforcements either, because they needed the protection from the turrets. I think that those 2 sniped firebats were really crucial.
On January 31 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Let's be honest here. If the quality of these games can't top the absolute terrible-ness of that last game, then I think it's time these two teams were relegated to minor league play only.
That was such a bad game.
Yarnc played well, wtf. Frozean could've won that with better MnM micro but it wasn't ever "in the bag" unless he took down Yarnc's expo.
yeah wtf, yarnc did REALLY good. it reminded me of goodfriend vs july
Yarnc played well after losing that first hatch, and letting a few mutas get sniped needlessly. It's mainly Cuteangel, whom I'm talking about, rallying units constantly into mutalisks for a good five minutes, and just generally sucking at the whole defending against mutalisks thing.
He kind of needed to rally, and he couldn't move his force back to escort the reinforcements either, because they needed the protection from the turrets. I think that those 2 sniped firebats were really crucial.
How about just... going up and around? He had the time, he needed to be safer with the reinforcements he badly needed. I mean, surely there was a better way, Yarnc did the most predictable thing in the world (and exactly what he needed to do) and Cuteangel didn't do anything about it.
Yarnc sacrifices a couple of mutas to get Calm's spire, but he doesn't seem to do a whole lot with his air superiority. Those spore colonies really do a good job of deterring the mutas.
On January 31 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Let's be honest here. If the quality of these games can't top the absolute terrible-ness of that last game, then I think it's time these two teams were relegated to minor league play only.
That was such a bad game.
Yarnc played well, wtf. Frozean could've won that with better MnM micro but it wasn't ever "in the bag" unless he took down Yarnc's expo.
yeah wtf, yarnc did REALLY good. it reminded me of goodfriend vs july
Yarnc played well after losing that first hatch, and letting a few mutas get sniped needlessly. It's mainly Cuteangel, whom I'm talking about, rallying units constantly into mutalisks for a good five minutes, and just generally sucking at the whole defending against mutalisks thing.
He kind of needed to rally, and he couldn't move his force back to escort the reinforcements either, because they needed the protection from the turrets. I think that those 2 sniped firebats were really crucial.
How about just... going up and around? He had the time, he needed to be safer with the reinforcements he badly needed. I mean, surely there was a better way, Yarnc did the most predictable thing in the world (and exactly what he needed to do) and Cuteangel didn't do anything about it.
Well he could have sent them up and around and Yarnc most likely would have noticed since he was staying so close to the main group, and then you'd be saying he should have sent them from the bottom.
On January 31 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Let's be honest here. If the quality of these games can't top the absolute terrible-ness of that last game, then I think it's time these two teams were relegated to minor league play only.
That was such a bad game.
Yarnc played well, wtf. Frozean could've won that with better MnM micro but it wasn't ever "in the bag" unless he took down Yarnc's expo.
yeah wtf, yarnc did REALLY good. it reminded me of goodfriend vs july
Yarnc played well after losing that first hatch, and letting a few mutas get sniped needlessly. It's mainly Cuteangel, whom I'm talking about, rallying units constantly into mutalisks for a good five minutes, and just generally sucking at the whole defending against mutalisks thing.
He kind of needed to rally, and he couldn't move his force back to escort the reinforcements either, because they needed the protection from the turrets. I think that those 2 sniped firebats were really crucial.
How about just... going up and around? He had the time, he needed to be safer with the reinforcements he badly needed. I mean, surely there was a better way, Yarnc did the most predictable thing in the world (and exactly what he needed to do) and Cuteangel didn't do anything about it.
Well he could have sent them up and around and Yarnc most likely would have noticed since he was staying so close to the main group, and then you'd be saying he should have sent them from the bottom.
Do you think Yarnc could afford to go up to the top? That's pretty far out of position, and at the very least, Cuteangel slips a few groups through that way.
The larva advantage is beginning to really kick in for Calm. Yarnc's mutalisks haven't been doing any harass in the past few minutes. Do you think Calm needs more spores? 9 might not be enough?
That game was better played by both sides, but not nearly as interesting as Yarnc v. Cuteangel. I take everything bad that I said about that game back.
On January 31 2010 14:00 Ideas wrote: man calm's got a really shitty TvZ map road ahead of him: matchpoint moonglaive roadrunner
fuck that
Anyone else think it's weird to send Calm out on a ZvZ? I would've expected a protoss against Yarnc, namely Kal.
Probably because hite has Horang2 and HoGiL who are very good versus Protoss, and Calm has really solid ZvZ, plus they probably want to save Kal for Leta
On January 31 2010 14:00 Plexa wrote: Hite team strategy: send three players to die then hope that Leta can save the day
That's Horang2's individual strategy too!
On January 31 2010 14:00 Ideas wrote: man calm's got a really shitty TvZ map road ahead of him: matchpoint moonglaive roadrunner
fuck that
Anyone else think it's weird to send Calm out on a ZvZ? I would've expected a protoss against Yarnc, namely Kal.
Probably because hite has Horang2 and HoGiL who are very good versus Protoss, and Calm has really solid ZvZ, plus they probably want to save Kal for Leta
That's a better explaination than I could think of. I have HoGil on fantasy though, so I wouldn't mind that...
And I'm just going to go ahead and predict a go.go win. Why not?
On January 31 2010 14:00 Plexa wrote: Hite team strategy: send three players to die then hope that Leta can save the day
That's Horang2's individual strategy too!
On January 31 2010 14:00 Ideas wrote: man calm's got a really shitty TvZ map road ahead of him: matchpoint moonglaive roadrunner
fuck that
Anyone else think it's weird to send Calm out on a ZvZ? I would've expected a protoss against Yarnc, namely Kal.
Probably because hite has Horang2 and HoGiL who are very good versus Protoss, and Calm has really solid ZvZ, plus they probably want to save Kal for Leta
That's a better explaination than I could think of. I have HoGil on fantasy though, so I wouldn't mind that...
And I'm just going to go ahead and predict a go.go win. Why not?
On January 31 2010 14:17 Holgerius wrote: I'm watching the other game at the moment; what happened here? How did go.go beat Clam?
had like 8 rines outside calm's nat, stim research finished + a single medic/ and firebat arrived concurrently. go.go stimmed and raped the single creep colony morphing that calm had. GG.
Good job staying cool from Kal, I wondered if he should've used that reaver to take out go.go's forces in his nat, but he made the exact right call. I even like flying his shuttle directly over go.go so he would be forced to pull his army back, but also wouldn't get it back in time.
HoGiL's on my fantasy for this exact reason. Kal is tough though...
If hite wins do they interview all the players? Because I really want to see go.go's interview and hear his explanation for why the fuck he GGed from 1 dt when he had mines. Did he forget he had two factories and vultures?
I think hogil sets it up best for leta. If he can win, then stx would pick either modesty or hwasin, most likely hwasin, instead of shuttle right? I'm trying to get a better feel for predicting lineups.
On January 31 2010 14:44 gemini24 wrote: I think hogil sets it up best for leta. If he can win, then stx would pick either modesty or hwasin, most likely hwasin, instead of shuttle right? I'm trying to get a better feel for predicting lineups.
hwasin isn't that special to get send out they still have last, hero, modesty and bogus.
On January 31 2010 15:28 n.DieJokes wrote: Late game PvZ is so painful to watch; theres just nothing the zerg can do. On the plus side, really nice game
Not when they stay 3 base while toss is on five base
Well, it is true that in general that highly funded Reaver/Archon/Templar/Storm composition is ridiculously strong against everything zerg can muster, but it's zerg's fault for letting it get that far after Defilers.
On January 31 2010 15:28 n.DieJokes wrote: Late game PvZ is so painful to watch; theres just nothing the zerg can do.
Protoss had already a huge advantage, so it was not because of the end game.
Obviously, I'm not saying Kal abused some race imbalance or something stupid, you misunderstand. It just sucks to be zerg in that situation, you still have shit so its not like your gonna gg; your just up against a brickwall for ten minutes and then you starve and die; empathy yo. Hurts me to watch protoss slowly strangle zerg to death
speed shuttle drops TWO reavers in leta's main - lots of scv kills despite eating a mine hit when dropped one reaver dies shuttle at very low hp from turret hits
reaver dropped again in main, shuttle lost, reaver lost - leat's push continues - he's reinforced with a lot of vultures - he's crossed half the distance to kal's nat
kal's expo to 12 done speed zealots rush in and kill the first layer of tank/vulture - but the back line of 5 tanks + vultures stop them another reaver out and taking potshots at th push with shuttle
I don't get it how you guys can bash Kal's play. He did what was right in this circumstances and won the game because he outsmarted/outplayed Leta. Deal with it.
On January 31 2010 15:57 Manit0u wrote: I don't get it how you guys can bash Kal's play. He did what was right in this circumstances and won the game because he outsmarted/outplayed Leta. Deal with it.
On January 31 2010 16:16 SuperJongMan wrote: Push distance on tornado is super gay. From that... that tornado choke, terran has to push 2 screens to shell protoss 3rd. -_-;; what is that.
On January 31 2010 16:16 SuperJongMan wrote: Push distance on tornado is super gay. From that... that tornado choke, terran has to push 2 screens to shell protoss 3rd. -_-;; what is that.
Everyone knows that it's gay, but it's aight cause Kal is a complete baller. Godzilla fighting!
Nice to see Kal playing so well, even tho I only saw Kal vs Leta live (which was pretty damn smart by Kal), I will definitely watch the VOD's of the other two.
On January 31 2010 20:50 sashkata wrote: Not to sound like a dick, but can thread makers recommed games the old facion way? Just recommend the game no coments, no spoilers, no nothing.
I like the little comments, meaningful ones anyway.
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