Very annoyed I want be able to watch this one live. Great matchup though, CJ could actually give KT a run for their money.
Effort > Violet. I just think Effort is better all around player, and it is ZvP.
Flash > Savior. It hurts, but what can I say, Flash is on a hot streak, and perhaps even at his zenith Savior could not have overcome him. Tomorrow will not be an upset.
Firefist > Movie. I have been more impressed with Firefist than with Movie.
Luxury > Skyhigh. Luxury seems to be returning to his best form (think MSL) and that should be enough to see him over the line.
So, thats 3-1 to KT with my head, or 3-0 to CJ with my heart
i cant see kt losing this. violet firefist and luxury are only training for this event, so their wins are 100% sure. only flash wont be training as hard as the others... but flash winning vZ is per definition 100% sure.
i predict 3-0 for kt.
if it somehow goes to ace (flash and firefist losing), effOrt is the predictable choice from cj... so kt choice should be 815 with some special sniping build.
On December 05 2009 23:38 Heimatloser wrote: i cant see kt losing this. violet firefist and luxury are only training for this event, so their wins are 100% sure. only flash wont be training as hard as the others... but flash winning vZ is per definition 100% sure.
(Z)EffOrt < Match Point > (P)Violet (Z)sAviOr < Fighting Spirit > (T)Flash its flashhhhh (P)Movie < Outsider SE > (Z)FireFist just cause its outsiderr (T)sKyHigh[] < Neo Tornado > (Z)Luxury Ace Match: (Z)EffOrt < Neo Moon Glaive > (T )Flash they always use flash on moon glaive to
Mos likely KT will win here. I don't see flash losing, and most likely 1 other KT player will win a game, which will mean Flash >>>> anything on he ace match. I think it will go like this though:
(Z)EffOrt< Match Point > (P)Violet (Z)sAviOr < Fighting Spirit > (T)Flash (P)Movie < Outsider SE > (Z)FireFist (T)sKyHigh < Neo Tornado > (Z)Luxury Ace: Flash >> effort
In the other 3 games, it is very reasonable to expect at least 1 KT member to pick up a game (firefist/lux have a real shot). If that happens, it's over in ace.
On December 06 2009 00:11 DreaM)XeRO wrote: nah man. KT will sweep 3-0 Violet is looking hot, Flash is unstoppable and im pretty sure either lux or firefist can stop a slumping movie and skyhigh
Your predictions are Just wrong meeple. I can see Violet and FireFist drop their games, but sKyHigh>Luxury!? Are you fucking kidding me!? That's Just ridiculous, and is not going to happen. And since Flash will pwn sAviOr, (Accept the truth fanboys.) that will in Best case scenario for CJ equal in a 2-2 situation, whereas KT will simply send out Flash again for the ACE match and win 3-2. Basically, even if CJ plays on the top of their game, it Just won't be enough. KT is going to win. The Only question is with what numbers.
On December 06 2009 02:14 HaXXspetten wrote: Your predictions are Just wrong meeple. I can see Violet and FireFist drop their games, but sKyHigh>Luxury!? Are you fucking kidding me!? That's Just ridiculous, and is not going to happen. And since Flash will pwn sAviOr, (Accept the truth fanboys.) that will in Best case scenario for CJ equal in a 2-2 situation, whereas KT will simply send out Flash again for the ACE match and win 3-2. Basically, even if CJ plays on the top of their game, it Just won't be enough. KT is going to win. The Only question is with what numbers.
Umm no one has actually predicted savior > flash for real yet, stop talking to what you see in your mind and read?
On December 06 2009 02:15 Camlito wrote: Umm no one has actually predicted savior > flash for real yet, stop talking to what you see in your mind and read?
Try reading yourself. Where did I say that anyone had predicted sAviOr>Flash? I didn't, but I know that so many people are sAviOr fanboys, so I Just pinpointed that out. And besides, THAT was definately NOT the Point of my argument. That game is like the least important of the series.
(T)Flash will pwn (Z)sAviOr, (Accept the truth fanboys.)
???
No one in this thread has said savior will win. 1 said he HOPES he wins.
What truth do they accept? Are you another anti-fan because you have a secret vendetta against savior fans? So many wish he does good, some predict and go crazy, there is no meaning to the prediction.
I don't see the need for the stab at savior "fanboys" when most accept the truth and all know flash will most likely win?
Your predictions are Just wrong meeple. I can see Violet and FireFist drop their games, but sKyHigh>Luxury!? Are you fucking kidding me!? That's Just ridiculous, and is not going to happen. And since Flash will pwn sAviOr, (Accept the truth fanboys.) that will in Best case scenario for CJ equal in a 2-2 situation, whereas KT will simply send out Flash again for the ACE match and win 3-2. Basically, even if CJ plays on the top of their game, it Just won't be enough. KT is going to win. The Only question is with what numbers
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I don't mind you disagreeing with my predictions, but please for sake of everyone who has to read it, don't blindly tlpd'ize your post. Luxury is by no means a sure win... he may be performing better than skyhigh lately, but statistically Skyhigh has better tvz than Luxury has zvt.
EffOrt > Violet Violet's doing good, but the zerg's he's managed to beat are Hyuk and Hyvaa, nothing special, and he lost to Effort 2-0 last time. I can't see Effort losing this as he's been on a Protoss tear.
sAviOr < Flash I wish Ma Bonjwa will win, but Flash likely will. Beating Jaedong ZvZ would've been comparable to beating Flash ZvT maybe 3-4 months ago, but right now Flash is in a class of his own.
Movie> FireFist Hard to say; Movie's not doing too good against zerg lately, dropping his last 3, but his play is still strong, and his reaver play is still great. Firefist hasn't played too much for round 1, but beat Best and Guemchi in the MSL preseason and beat Movie in the STX Masters. I'm going to have to give this to Movie - it's close, but I think his sair-reaver will win on Outsider even if it's a bit imbalanced.
sKyHigh < Luxury Luxury hasn't beaten too mant Terrans lately... but Skyhigh is slumping pretty hard.
Your predictions are Just wrong meeple. I can see Violet and FireFist drop their games, but sKyHigh>Luxury!? Are you fucking kidding me!? That's Just ridiculous, and is not going to happen. And since Flash will pwn sAviOr, (Accept the truth fanboys.) that will in Best case scenario for CJ equal in a 2-2 situation, whereas KT will simply send out Flash again for the ACE match and win 3-2. Basically, even if CJ plays on the top of their game, it Just won't be enough. KT is going to win. The Only question is with what numbers
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I don't mind you disagreeing with my predictions, but please for sake of everyone who has to read it, don't blindly tlpd'ize your post. Luxury is by no means a sure win... he may be performing better than skyhigh lately, but statistically Skyhigh has better tvz than Luxury has zvt.
Statistically prediction for the last 10 games is better than overall since Skyhigh has been slumping whole season >_< Also, I think Violet can if not win then atleast make a very nice game =)
remember fellow KT fans, CJ was the one who broke the KT win streak last time they must not be taken lightly. also :+ Show Spoiler +
Statistically, Skyhigh's bad at TvZ. Wait no, that's just from watching him try to TvZ. And on Tornado? No contest. Not to mention their recent PL forms? It borders on absurdity.
Effort's zvp is much stronger than Violet's pvz. Flash should rickroll savior, as much as I love the maestro, I don't see it happening. Out of the remaining two matches, both are pretty much tossups, which means we have a good shot of seeing this go to ace, where KT has a better chance. Nonetheless, should be a good matchup.
On December 06 2009 02:57 alphafuzard wrote: Effort's zvp is much stronger than Violet's pvz. Flash should rickroll savior, as much as I love the maestro, I don't see it happening. Out of the remaining two matches, both are pretty much tossups, which means we have a good shot of seeing this go to ace, where KT has a better chance. Nonetheless, should be a good matchup.
Much stronger?
I don't know about that. I like Effort a lot but Violet has some really good PvZ. To consider it MUCH stronger is a bit of a stretch.
I think Violet wants revenge for gom. Still not sure if that means he will win or not, but he's definitely going to give it his all, and he's one of the few toss out there who embrace the P style of lategame play that is an almost direct counter to the sunk/spore turtle style that Effort plays. I do hope this series goes to ace, though. Definitely a series that deserves it.
Awesome OP. Amazing match ups. NO mirrors. I'm a sAviOr fanboy, so heres to hoping he can muster to break Flash's streak. Flash is insane though. Insane good.
Of course, Movie could drop game to FireFist. so CJ 1:3 KTF But I don't see it happening.. Even though im a Flash fan, im more of a sAviOr fan, so im Really hoping sAviOr can pull through, after watching him play vs Bogus, i cant see him Ever winning vs a terran again.
edit: rofl, my bold names arent tlpd-ized.. such fail..
I don't get why so many people think EffOrt > FlaSh. Flash beat him straight up 2-0 last time they met, first time with bio, then the next game with Mech. And this was even before Flash has hit this untouchable phase, and also when EffOrt was really raping shit.
I want Violet to win, but realistically Effort is going to be the one to give Violet his first loss this PL season. I'll still be cheering for you, Violet, show us that sexy DA action again!
Let's be honest here, Flash's TvZ is insane, and the last time Flash and Effort met in a Bo3, Flash effortlessly (har har) rolled Effort with bio in Game 1, and then with mech in Game 2.
CJ needs to get their Toss lineup buff up. With Much in the army, Movie is the only viable Protoss choice and he isn't any good vs Terran. If it goes to Ace, then I don't know the stuff Flash will do.
On December 06 2009 05:31 Roffles wrote: If it gets to Ace, CJ better hope that Flash plays like complete shit today, or someone pulls a miracle, cause Flash is ON FIRE.
Oh, or a protoss might work. But CJ doesn't have any good ones, so KT is safe.
Movie? He would probably just cheese though, which is insta-fail against Flash.
On December 06 2009 05:31 Roffles wrote: If it gets to Ace, CJ better hope that Flash plays like complete shit today, or someone pulls a miracle, cause Flash is ON FIRE.
Oh, or a protoss might work. But CJ doesn't have any good ones, so KT is safe.
Well Movie is usually showing his best games when he is a huge underdog.
On December 06 2009 06:21 King K. Rool wrote: Maybe CJ will hope Skyhigh will suddenly pull out his S-class TvT and come out of his slump to destroy Flash in ace.
Did you watch Flash vs Skyhigh in the reppack? That was hard rape
On December 06 2009 06:21 King K. Rool wrote: Maybe CJ will hope Skyhigh will suddenly pull out his S-class TvT and come out of his slump to destroy Flash in ace.
Did you watch Flash vs Skyhigh in the reppack? That was hard rape
Omg these game are so good OMG these games are so good OMG Skt1 vs Oz is going on at the same time Omg Skt1 vs Oz is going on at the same time HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE. Best night of proleague coming up in a long time, I'm excited for every match =D
EDIT: To those people like T3 who demand everyone mean exactly what they say, I'm actually expecting sKyHigh to lose and EffOrt to take Flash in the best game of the year in ACE.
I'm really hoping for violet to surprise. Their GOM games were a disappointing rush fest and, frankly, I know Violet is capable of going head to head with savior reincarnate.
If sAviOr wins against Flash with defilers in a late game ZvT, i'll change my icon to CJ for a week - theres no measurement for how happy that will make me.
On December 06 2009 10:39 Atrioc wrote: If sAviOr wins against Flash with defilers in a late game ZvT, i'll change my icon to CJ for a week - theres no measurement for how happy that will make me.
Changing it forever would be quite a measurement >
I'd like to see Flash beat iloveoov's 27 straight TvZ's in a row. Would be cool if he obliterated it. Make it 50 straight wins for example. Not hard for him.
On December 06 2009 11:33 moopie wrote: Movie probably has the best chance vs Flash atm. Flash's TvT / TvZ is scary these days, his TvP is his only main vulnerability.
Unfortunately his TvP is only vulnerable to good PvTers such as Jangbi, Stork, Best, or Bisu. Movie's not near their level.
On December 06 2009 11:34 ssj114 wrote: I'd like to see Flash beat iloveoov's 27 straight TvZ's in a row. Would be cool if he obliterated it. Make it 50 straight wins for example. Not hard for him.
On December 06 2009 11:33 moopie wrote: Movie probably has the best chance vs Flash atm. Flash's TvT / TvZ is scary these days, his TvP is his only main vulnerability.
Unfortunately his TvP is only vulnerable to good PvTers such as Jangbi, Stork, Best, or Bisu. Movie's not near their level.
Hey I didn't say Movie > Flash, I just said that currently, out of CJMovie's got the best shot imo.
Violet kills a tonnes of shit in the middle of the map and fights off a ling counter at his 3rd.
Violet barely saves his 4th nexus as its warping in... he's now got a decent sized presence in the middle, but Effort is on 5 base 4 gas and has a tonne of gas.
On December 06 2009 13:27 MuffinDude wrote: violet is playing too passive and allowing effort to just attack him everywher
You can't be aggressive at all with this ling build. Especially when defilers are out. Effort can be pretty much anywhere at any time, especially with drop researched.
On December 06 2009 13:30 Vasoline73 wrote: Man Violet played so effing bad
It was far from terrible. Losing his corsairs was a little sloppy, and not getting the cannon up in time was annoying, but it was very good from then on. He just couldn't hold off all the lings, and I don't blame him. That build is fucking brutal
On December 06 2009 13:27 MuffinDude wrote: violet is playing too passive and allowing effort to just attack him everywher
You can't be aggressive at all with this ling build. Especially when defilers are out. Effort can be pretty much anywhere at any time, especially with drop researched.
Before effort got his lings and shit, violet should of pressed his army size advantage, he could of traded one base for two but he didn't
On December 06 2009 13:30 Vasoline73 wrote: Man Violet played so effing bad
It was far from terrible. Losing his corsairs was a little sloppy, and not getting the cannon up in time was annoying, but it was very good from then on. He just couldn't hold off all the lings, and I don't blame him. That build is fucking brutal
I mean his early game not his lategame :/. He just played nervous and not like his usual PvZ self
Violet played as well as he could. Match Point i imagine is imba zvp. the bases are so far apart for toss to effectively defend while zerg can hold off with lurkers which effort did. maybe if violet did get observer faster or things like that he could have put more pressure but it was hard for him to do things like expand to more bases and attack one area of the map without risking his own bases.
On December 06 2009 13:27 MuffinDude wrote: violet is playing too passive and allowing effort to just attack him everywher
You can't be aggressive at all with this ling build. Especially when defilers are out. Effort can be pretty much anywhere at any time, especially with drop researched.
Before effort got his lings and shit, violet should of pressed his army size advantage, he could of traded one base for two but he didn't
He didn't have the goon count to kill the lurkers. The simcities would have driven him off. The best choice was what he did, to keep his bases alive. It was a very almost game - had his first reaver popped out slightly earlier, had he kept his sairs alive a bit better, etc. Really, I think he should have split up his army a bit more, the giant ball is good when pushing out, but Effort's build relied on avoiding direct confrontation until swarm.
Violet just didn't seem on top of things. It looked like he wasn't aware of most of units at any given time, forgetting about a lot of templars and such, and didn't multitask effectively.
On December 06 2009 13:36 SimonB wrote: Violet just didn't seem on top of things. It looked like he wasn't aware of most of units at any given time, forgetting about a lot of templars and such, and didn't multitask effectively.
Oh well, kind of disappointing.
It looked more like zomg storming and intercepting most of the attacks. Too bad vs what effort did you slip up once, you die.
On December 06 2009 13:36 SimonB wrote: Violet just didn't seem on top of things. It looked like he wasn't aware of most of units at any given time, forgetting about a lot of templars and such, and didn't multitask effectively.
Oh well, kind of disappointing.
Didn't seem on top of things? Did you see his storming? I'd say he did admirably well against Effort's constant waves of attacks, however, he just didn't have the economy to cope near the end.
On December 06 2009 13:27 MuffinDude wrote: violet is playing too passive and allowing effort to just attack him everywher
You can't be aggressive at all with this ling build. Especially when defilers are out. Effort can be pretty much anywhere at any time, especially with drop researched.
Before effort got his lings and shit, violet should of pressed his army size advantage, he could of traded one base for two but he didn't
He didn't have the goon count to kill the lurkers. The simcities would have driven him off. The best choice was what he did, to keep his bases alive. It was a very almost game - had his first reaver popped out slightly earlier, had he kept his sairs alive a bit better, etc. Really, I think he should have split up his army a bit more, the giant ball is good when pushing out, but Effort's build relied on avoiding direct confrontation until swarm.
i dunno, violet had enough templars for the lurkers and effort had a small army since he split his forces.
I think it all came down to him losing the 4th (woot first reav dying TT) and sending his whole force to kill latest effort's expansion. If he sent a zeal force (which'd die but do the job) and leave rest at home watching for that big drop, game'd be in his hands.
On December 06 2009 13:27 MuffinDude wrote: violet is playing too passive and allowing effort to just attack him everywher
You can't be aggressive at all with this ling build. Especially when defilers are out. Effort can be pretty much anywhere at any time, especially with drop researched.
Before effort got his lings and shit, violet should of pressed his army size advantage, he could of traded one base for two but he didn't
He didn't have the goon count to kill the lurkers. The simcities would have driven him off. The best choice was what he did, to keep his bases alive. It was a very almost game - had his first reaver popped out slightly earlier, had he kept his sairs alive a bit better, etc. Really, I think he should have split up his army a bit more, the giant ball is good when pushing out, but Effort's build relied on avoiding direct confrontation until swarm.
i dunno, violet had enough templars for the lurkers and effort had a small army since he split his forces.
Violet ran around killing tons and tons of lings with his early army, this was a great choice. Trying for one of the bases would've thrown away his army for almost no gain, while killing all the lings meant it was very hard for effort to kill that min-only expansion.
On December 06 2009 13:42 Soulforged wrote: I think it all came down to him losing the 4th (woot first reav dying TT) and sending his whole force to kill latest effort's expansion. If he sent a zeal force (which'd die but do the job) and leave rest at home watching for that big drop, game'd be in his hands.
Storming his own probes hurt him as well, even though the saturation wasn't really THAT high on it. But yeah, that first reaver . The forge block at the fourth was epic.
On December 06 2009 13:27 MuffinDude wrote: violet is playing too passive and allowing effort to just attack him everywher
You can't be aggressive at all with this ling build. Especially when defilers are out. Effort can be pretty much anywhere at any time, especially with drop researched.
Before effort got his lings and shit, violet should of pressed his army size advantage, he could of traded one base for two but he didn't
He didn't have the goon count to kill the lurkers. The simcities would have driven him off. The best choice was what he did, to keep his bases alive. It was a very almost game - had his first reaver popped out slightly earlier, had he kept his sairs alive a bit better, etc. Really, I think he should have split up his army a bit more, the giant ball is good when pushing out, but Effort's build relied on avoiding direct confrontation until swarm.
i dunno, violet had enough templars for the lurkers and effort had a small army since he split his forces.
Violet ran around killing tons and tons of lings with his early army, this was a great choice. Trying for one of the bases would've thrown away his army for almost no gain, while killing all the lings meant it was very hard for effort to kill that min-only expansion.
He had a bigger army size, he could of taken 6 lots to top left and taken that expansion out while split his army to his different expansions to protect them. What violet did was instead move his whole army to expansions under fire, it took too much time and the lings did too much damage by the time violet's army got there. Violet was too passive, in pvz these days, p should constantly harass z so that z can't do shit like what effort did to violet.
On December 06 2009 13:27 MuffinDude wrote: violet is playing too passive and allowing effort to just attack him everywher
You can't be aggressive at all with this ling build. Especially when defilers are out. Effort can be pretty much anywhere at any time, especially with drop researched.
Before effort got his lings and shit, violet should of pressed his army size advantage, he could of traded one base for two but he didn't
He didn't have the goon count to kill the lurkers. The simcities would have driven him off. The best choice was what he did, to keep his bases alive. It was a very almost game - had his first reaver popped out slightly earlier, had he kept his sairs alive a bit better, etc. Really, I think he should have split up his army a bit more, the giant ball is good when pushing out, but Effort's build relied on avoiding direct confrontation until swarm.
i dunno, violet had enough templars for the lurkers and effort had a small army since he split his forces.
Violet ran around killing tons and tons of lings with his early army, this was a great choice. Trying for one of the bases would've thrown away his army for almost no gain, while killing all the lings meant it was very hard for effort to kill that min-only expansion.
He had a bigger army size, he could of taken 6 lots to top left and taken that expansion out while split his army to his different expansions to protect them. What violet did was instead move his whole army to expansions under fire, it took too much time and the lings did too much damage by the time violet's army got there. Violet was too passive, in pvz these days, p should constantly harass z so that z can't do shit like what effort did to violet.
Those 6 lots wouldn't have done anything besides maybe kill some drones. Passive/turtle zerg style requires a passive protoss style, it's the zerg who dictate the flow of the matchup, not the protoss. Unless you're like... Rock.
"gg" what a boring rape. this was seriously one of the stupidest zvt i ever saw, 3 hatch spire into zero muta harass into 2gas hive/ultra tech without defiler into failed ninja expo into gg rofl
On December 06 2009 14:02 OneOther wrote: so kt is down 1-2? it's so annoying when the OP doesn't update results i guess ill go through 20 pages of the thread to find out
On December 06 2009 14:02 OneOther wrote: so kt is down 1-2? it's so annoying when the OP doesn't update results i guess ill go through 20 pages of the thread to find out
No, even scores. 1 win each.
yeah that was easy i thought flash vs savior was third set for some reason
On December 06 2009 14:13 MuffinDude wrote: lets c if firefist drank gatorade or not
What's the story with the gatorade and firefist? I missed it, but haven't missed the constant mentions. I assume it's something he said in a interview.
OK all credit to Flash, but I don't know if 3 records all related to 100 PL wins really count as 3 records, especially because there are only 2 players besides Flash with 100 PL wins LOL
PS here are some more records that Flash just broke
Only Player Born in the 1990s to get 100 Proleague Wins whoops, JD beat him to that one First Current KT Player to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player That Is Not Jaedong or Reach to get 100 Proleague Wins First Terran to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player With Playername That Starts With 'F' to get 100 Proleague Wins
On December 06 2009 14:13 MuffinDude wrote: lets c if firefist drank gatorade or not
What's the story with the gatorade and firefist? I missed it, but haven't missed the constant mentions. I assume it's something he said in a interview.
Realpenguin made some imagemacros of Firefist looking all smug with captions like "WHO DRANK ALL THE GATORADE?" and "Damn right I drank all the gatorade!"
OK all credit to Flash, but I don't know if 3 records all related to 100 PL wins really count as 3 records, especially because there are only 2 players besides Flash with 100 PL wins LOL
PS here are some more records that Flash just broke
Only Player Born in the 1990s to get 100 Proleague Wins whoops, JD beat him to that one First KT Player to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player That Is Not Jaedong or Reach to get 100 Proleague Wins First Terran to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player With Playername That Starts With 'F' to get 100 Proleague Wins
The difference is all those records approximate his skill/dominance, besides maybe the "youngest" player award. It might seem like no so stiff competition, but Jaedong's actually a pretty tough opponent!
OK all credit to Flash, but I don't know if 3 records all related to 100 PL wins really count as 3 records, especially because there are only 2 players besides Flash with 100 PL wins LOL
PS here are some more records that Flash just broke
Only Player Born in the 1990s to get 100 Proleague Wins whoops, JD beat him to that one First KT Player to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player That Is Not Jaedong or Reach to get 100 Proleague Wins First Terran to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player With Playername That Starts With 'F' to get 100 Proleague Wins
OK all credit to Flash, but I don't know if 3 records all related to 100 PL wins really count as 3 records, especially because there are only 2 players besides Flash with 100 PL wins LOL
PS here are some more records that Flash just broke
Only Player Born in the 1990s to get 100 Proleague Wins whoops, JD beat him to that one First KT Player to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player That Is Not Jaedong or Reach to get 100 Proleague Wins First Terran to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player With Playername That Starts With 'F' to get 100 Proleague Wins
OK all credit to Flash, but I don't know if 3 records all related to 100 PL wins really count as 3 records, especially because there are only 2 players besides Flash with 100 PL wins LOL
PS here are some more records that Flash just broke
Only Player Born in the 1990s to get 100 Proleague Wins First KT Player to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player That Is Not Jaedong or Reach to get 100 Proleague Wins First Terran to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player With Playername That Starts With 'F' to get 100 Proleague Wins
I'll really laugh if this goes to an ace and we get like... Movie vs Violet. Would be a pretty good ace match, though. (And I think it would be the best possible situation for KT besides like Flash vs Iris).
On December 06 2009 14:17 d_so wrote: dude i went to the other thread to talk shit for two seconds and we lost. wtf is this why is there a shield battery in firefist's natural
Outsider seems like the map that Protosses are having the most success vs. Zerg on lately, and only because they're cheesing or using unorthodox builds to avoid the map imbalance
hint hint Protosses: Zergs have forgotten how to play against 2/1-gate openings?
On December 06 2009 14:18 JWD wrote: Outsider seems like the map that Protosses are having the most success vs. Zerg on lately, and only because they're cheesing or using unorthodox builds to avoid the map imbalance
hint hint Protosses: Zergs have forgotten how to play against 2/1-gate openings?
What do you mean map imbalance? (22-17 ZvP across both versions fwiw) I wouldn't call 2gate on outsider cheese - it seems to be the standard build now.
iirc Luxury(?) even said in an interview that he thought Outsider was a good map for protoss.
On December 06 2009 14:18 lazz wrote: sick sick sick build.... fuck, someone reverse engineer that build maybe ill actually play outsider vs Z
Much did it vs Jangbi in R5, and I'm sure it's been done vs zerg. It used to be mentioned as part the super standard P 10 12 gate builds in older guides.
On December 06 2009 14:13 MuffinDude wrote: lets c if firefist drank gatorade or not
What's the story with the gatorade and firefist? I missed it, but haven't missed the constant mentions. I assume it's something he said in a interview.
Realpenguin made some imagemacros of Firefist looking all smug with captions like "WHO DRANK ALL THE GATORADE?" and "Damn right I drank all the gatorade!"
That's it? I've seen the macros but they don't make sense if it's just that.
This is a bit of a dodgy situation for KT to be in right now. I seriously have no confidence in Lux to win against any decent terran and bring this to Ace. Knowing him, he'll probably end up doing some sort of lurker all in or something similar.
I think the game winner will be determined by whether or not Skyhigh is dumb enough to not prepare for a possible all in or smart enough to prepare for it.
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
On December 06 2009 14:13 MuffinDude wrote: lets c if firefist drank gatorade or not
What's the story with the gatorade and firefist? I missed it, but haven't missed the constant mentions. I assume it's something he said in a interview.
Realpenguin made some imagemacros of Firefist looking all smug with captions like "WHO DRANK ALL THE GATORADE?" and "Damn right I drank all the gatorade!"
That's it? I've seen the macros but they don't make sense if it's just that.
I heard it was a force name but everyone just caught onto it because there was nothing else to call him
On December 06 2009 14:18 JWD wrote: Outsider seems like the map that Protosses are having the most success vs. Zerg on lately, and only because they're cheesing or using unorthodox builds to avoid the map imbalance
hint hint Protosses: Zergs have forgotten how to play against 2/1-gate openings?
What do you mean map imbalance? (22-17 ZvP across both versions fwiw) I wouldn't call 2gate on outsider cheese - it seems to be the standard build now.
iirc Luxury(?) even said in an interview that he thought Outsider was a good map for protoss.
fair enough about 2gate not being cheese, but in all seriousness any map is a good map for Protoss if Luxury is playing on it
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
On December 06 2009 14:18 JWD wrote: Outsider seems like the map that Protosses are having the most success vs. Zerg on lately, and only because they're cheesing or using unorthodox builds to avoid the map imbalance
hint hint Protosses: Zergs have forgotten how to play against 2/1-gate openings?
What do you mean map imbalance? (22-17 ZvP across both versions fwiw) I wouldn't call 2gate on outsider cheese - it seems to be the standard build now.
iirc Luxury(?) even said in an interview that he thought Outsider was a good map for protoss.
fair enough about 2gate not being cheese, but in all seriousness any map is a good map for Protoss if Luxury is playing on it
On December 06 2009 14:21 FireGuyX wrote: Movie along with Bisu and Stork are the probably the only Protoss who can beat S-Class ZvP zergs.
Isn't it sad how far the mighty have fallen? freeKalJangBi and best are now behind Movie in PvZ. although i dont think anyone will even try to argue that Movie's other 2 MU's are even close to that of those 4, even now with all of them slumping so hard. Edit, free sucks pretty horribly at PvP, so movie might give him a run there
On December 06 2009 14:23 CaptainPlatypus wrote: Movie: "I'm too sexy for outsider, Too sexy for outsider, Suck it, you biter. I'm too sexy for FE, Too sexy for FE, Lick my shield battery!"
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
OK all credit to Flash, but I don't know if 3 records all related to 100 PL wins really count as 3 records, especially because there are only 2 players besides Flash with 100 PL wins LOL
PS here are some more records that Flash just broke
Only Player Born in the 1990s to get 100 Proleague Wins First KT Player to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player That Is Not Jaedong or Reach to get 100 Proleague Wins First Terran to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player With Playername That Starts With 'F' to get 100 Proleague Wins
Don't forget "first terran" and "most recent"
wasn't jaedong born in 1990? anyway to add to that list, first from the city of daejeon!
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
horang2... is good at... pvp? since when???
He's 9-4 and beat Movie and Best to name a few.
yeah PvP is pretty much the only matchup that cheese2 can play, but in general he has played really well on Destination
On December 06 2009 14:18 lazz wrote: sick sick sick build.... fuck, someone reverse engineer that build maybe ill actually play outsider vs Z
Much did it vs Jangbi in R5, and I'm sure it's been done vs zerg. It used to be mentioned as part the super standard P 10 12 gate builds in older guides.
correct. I've played vs that build a few times in the last year. It's nothing new, just first time on TV in a while.
OK all credit to Flash, but I don't know if 3 records all related to 100 PL wins really count as 3 records, especially because there are only 2 players besides Flash with 100 PL wins LOL
PS here are some more records that Flash just broke
Only Player Born in the 1990s to get 100 Proleague Wins First KT Player to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player That Is Not Jaedong or Reach to get 100 Proleague Wins First Terran to get 100 Proleague Wins First Player With Playername That Starts With 'F' to get 100 Proleague Wins
Don't forget "first terran" and "most recent"
wasn't jaedong born in 1990? anyway to add to that list, first from the city of daejeon!
yep he was, I edited my post but not before I was quoted good catch though mr. trivia master
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
horang2... is good at... pvp? since when???
He's 9-4 and beat Movie and Best to name a few.
The movie game was an amazing cheese, though; worth seeing if you haven't seen it.
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Compared to Movie's 19 PvPs, "a terrible data set", but if you'd watch the games, it's much more meaningful to see if they're good or not. Horang2 played good PvPs, especially on Destination.
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
So you're biased against players for doing well without having an initial 3 year period of horrendous slumping?
On December 06 2009 14:27 Orbifold wrote: Woah... I can't believe JWD made a post shitting on something Flash accomplished... shocking.
lol are you serious?
wow
A lot of people are still bitter about old ranks.
OH NOT THIS AGAIN.
My god, forgive and forget. Flash is playing like a baller, and all Flash fanboys can do is make snide comments about him falling off the PR. Good grief.
sAviOr is bolded in the results... is it because he's awesome?
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
That's fine. But it's still better than him saying "he's good at PvP. Watch him play" Because he has no credence. But Horang2 is good at PvP, stop nitpicking.
On December 06 2009 14:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Movie's like what we all wanted in Horang2. But better.
horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
It's not necessarily a statistical question. One game can be enough.
On December 06 2009 14:18 MuffinDude wrote: [quote] horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
So you're biased against players for doing well without having an initial 3 year period of horrendous slumping?
no, but saying horang2 is awesome with 70%+ pvp with only 13 games is not reliable
On December 06 2009 14:18 MuffinDude wrote: [quote] horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
That's fine. But it's still better than him saying "he's good at PvP. Watch him play" Because he has no credence. But Horang2 is good at PvP, stop nitpicking.
Meh, my answer could be bias because the only pvp i remember him playing was v stork and horang2's pvt is terrible.
On December 06 2009 14:18 MuffinDude wrote: [quote] horang2 just tries to copy movie but fails
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
It's not necessarily a statistical question. One game can be enough.
when someone tried to defend their opinion with statistics it became a statistical question
On December 06 2009 14:19 BlackMagister wrote: [quote]
Lol what?
movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
So you're biased against players for doing well without having an initial 3 year period of horrendous slumping?
no, but saying horang2 is awesome with 70%+ pvp with only 13 games is not reliable
Someone call the logic police! Oh wait. He's here.
On December 06 2009 14:20 MuffinDude wrote: [quote] movie and horang2 are the cheesiest tosses i've ever seen
except movie wins and horang2 loses
They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
So you're biased against players for doing well without having an initial 3 year period of horrendous slumping?
no, but saying horang2 is awesome with 70%+ pvp with only 13 games is not reliable
Someone call the logic police! Oh wait. He's here.
I just don't buy the data with low sample count
and skyhigh is wasting his medic's energy, lux goes in with muta, skyhigh holds
On December 06 2009 14:22 Nevuk wrote: [quote] They're inverse. Horang2 has brilliant pvp and hideous pvz. Movie has brilliant pvz and the worst understanding of pvp I've ever seen from an otherwise decent protoss. Which is probably why I don't like him much.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
So you're biased against players for doing well without having an initial 3 year period of horrendous slumping?
no, but saying horang2 is awesome with 70%+ pvp with only 13 games is not reliable
Someone call the logic police! Oh wait. He's here.
I just don't buy the data with low sample count
and skyhigh is wasting his medic's energy, lux goes in with muta, skyhigh holds
Yeah, the data is pretty unconvincing. But I'm trying to say that Horang2 has good PvP (by watching his games). This too, is not so convincing, but it is true. You have to take some leap of faith.
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
So you're biased against players for doing well without having an initial 3 year period of horrendous slumping?
no, but saying horang2 is awesome with 70%+ pvp with only 13 games is not reliable
Someone call the logic police! Oh wait. He's here.
I just don't buy the data with low sample count
and skyhigh is wasting his medic's energy, lux goes in with muta, skyhigh holds
Yeah, the data is pretty unconvincing. But I'm trying to say that Horang2 has good PvP (by watching his games). This too, is not so convincing, but it is true. You have to take some leap of faith.
sure, i'll watch some of his games tonight, i only watch him play pvt because he usually pulls some funny thing
Look at who has lost to - Stork, Kal, Pure (in a bo3 he won), and Guemchi. Violet in stx masters.The only weird loss is to Doctor K., but hey, it's a screwy matchup. He's beaten Pure and a non-slumping Jangbi in a bo3, and beaten Stork, Movie, and Best. It's no stretch to say that he's very good at it.
sorry, 13 games is still statistically insignificant
So you're biased against players for doing well without having an initial 3 year period of horrendous slumping?
no, but saying horang2 is awesome with 70%+ pvp with only 13 games is not reliable
Someone call the logic police! Oh wait. He's here.
I just don't buy the data with low sample count
and skyhigh is wasting his medic's energy, lux goes in with muta, skyhigh holds
Yeah, the data is pretty unconvincing. But I'm trying to say that Horang2 has good PvP (by watching his games). This too, is not so convincing, but it is true. You have to take some leap of faith.
sure, i'll watch some of his games tonight, i only watch him play pvt because he usually pulls some funny thing
He is rather forgettable right now, not many games recently. Cause he's "slumping"
I still contend that Violet played really well, albeit with some early-game mistakes... had the Z been of any lower of a class, he still likely would have won after that point (IE, anyone but JD/Effort/Zero and maaybe Calm). Firefist/Luxury played horribly in the entirety of their games, although Firefist's loss is more understandable. Luxury died to the same shit Flash has been doing to every zerg recently.
On December 06 2009 14:45 ItchReliever wrote: so many were pulling for luxury just to see flash
Seriously. I just wanted to see Flash v Effort. Efffffffffffff. Luxury seriously.. Skyhighs face was all "durrr gee I'm glad I don't have to do anything but keep adding turrets, I thought this game would be hard"
Oh well, disappointing showing but hopefully KTR bounces back. :/
Told you that Lux would think of some all in to use against Skyhigh.
Sorry Lux, you need to come up with some different shit. People know you're going to do some bullshit like that and all they literally have to do is build 999 turrets.
On December 06 2009 14:49 Air2gear wrote: sheesh one game doesn't decide a player.
I'm still not convinced that the 'good' Luxury/Yarnc aren't the same person. The good twin probably had something to do today so the bad one had to come play.
On December 06 2009 14:49 Air2gear wrote: sheesh one game doesn't decide a player.
I'm still not convinced that the 'good' Luxury/Yarnc aren't the same person. The good twin probably had something to do today so the bad one had to come play.
On December 06 2009 14:49 Air2gear wrote: sheesh one game doesn't decide a player.
No it doesn't, but history has shown that Lux will use some sort of all in whenever he can. He's going to keep on losing because people pretty much know that if you turtle properly, Lux is going to end up killing himself and hand over a free win to you.
I'm guessing he likes all ins because such tactics net him the most wins against Flash and the KT B teamers. Unfortunately for Lux, other terrans don't play TvZ anywhere near the level of Flash and A team players generally know how to defend against an all in, especially when a player is well known for resorting to such moves.
On December 06 2009 14:55 Vasoline73 wrote: Well.. at least we didn't get 3-0'ed right guys!? EDIT: lmao the Lux pokeman pic is so perfect for this situation
Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
On December 06 2009 14:59 Hinanawi wrote: Oh well, at least Flash didn't lose.
Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
He had a strategy of skipping lurkers and going straight for ultralisks. But Flash pushed out and killed his bases, so he didn't have enough gas to support the ultras.
I guess he just went into panic mode and started throwing down hatcheries... but if you think about it, he probably had like 2000 mins 30 gas, so it wasn't a totally horrible idea.
Edit: Or, as far as I see it, it was the best saving chance in a game that was already pretty much lost.
On December 06 2009 14:59 Hinanawi wrote: Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
He was trying to influence the KT zergs and trick them into playing poorly. It worked.
On December 06 2009 14:59 Hinanawi wrote: Oh well, at least Flash didn't lose.
Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
On December 06 2009 14:59 Hinanawi wrote: Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
He was trying to influence the KT zergs and trick them into playing poorly. It worked.
I prefer the theory that Savior has to lose in order for CJ to win.
On December 06 2009 14:59 iLoveKT wrote: why did he cancel his 3rd when mutas were about to clean up skyhigh's timing push. did he have to?
Didn't look to me like he was about to clean up skyhigh's push.
I thought Skyhigh took down his third, but regardless, he had to either cancel or lose it. He was way behind economically so he went all in with his 10 lurker 12 muta break.
Skyhigh didn't take down the third... and I'm assuming he cancelled the hatch to have more minerals to make those desperation sunks? I really have no idea. :/
On December 06 2009 14:59 iLoveKT wrote: why did he cancel his 3rd when mutas were about to clean up skyhigh's timing push. did he have to?
Didn't look to me like he was about to clean up skyhigh's push.
I thought Skyhigh took down his third, but regardless, he had to either cancel or lose it. He was way behind economically so he went all in with his 10 lurker 12 muta break.
im not talking about the last push. Im talking about the first timing push.
On December 06 2009 14:59 Hinanawi wrote: Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
He was trying to influence the KT zergs and trick them into playing poorly. It worked.
I prefer the theory that Savior has to lose in order for CJ to win.
cj always uses savior to play the other teams ace's. they are always avoiding to get their "easy" 3-1 with savior losing against other teams ace. as long as savior doesnt care about his all-time record being fucked up its a good strategy. savior is team guy, isnt he?
On December 06 2009 14:59 Hinanawi wrote: Oh well, at least Flash didn't lose.
Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
According to some guy's translations in the livestream, he said that the 9 o'clock hatchery was bait so that flash would not suspect the hidden hatchery at the 6 o'clock. Unfortunately, flash had superstar sense...
Oh yeah CJ is back!!! It was really difficult for Savior to beat Flash, actually for anyone, but I´m sure he will win the next game. And yeah, sKyHigh get out of your slump!
On December 06 2009 22:34 pripple wrote: it takes CJ again to beat KT, almost exactly the same way as last time, Savior losing to Flash ;p
And with Effort, Skyhigh and Movie winning the three CJ games, just in reverse order this time. If Stats were playing instead of Violet, the same KT players would have lost too.
Next time don't send out Luxury and Firefist versus CJ please.
On December 06 2009 14:59 Hinanawi wrote: Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
He was trying to influence the KT zergs and trick them into playing poorly. It worked.
I prefer the theory that Savior has to lose in order for CJ to win.
cj always uses savior to play the other teams ace's. they are always avoiding to get their "easy" 3-1 with savior losing against other teams ace. as long as savior doesnt care about his all-time record being fucked up its a good strategy. savior is team guy, isnt he?
it's a good strat and savior sometimes even beats their aces (like when he beated JD). He'll never be the bonwja he used to be but he's still a pretty good player
On December 06 2009 14:59 Hinanawi wrote: Oh well, at least Flash didn't lose.
Can someone clue me in on what sAviOr was trying to do in the second half of the game? He was throwing down hatcheries everywhere with no defense, did he think they wouldn't be spotted?
According to some guy's translations in the livestream, he said that the 9 o'clock hatchery was bait so that flash would not suspect the hidden hatchery at the 6 o'clock. Unfortunately, flash had superstar sense...
?? He didn't know until he was ready to expand and flew his CC over...
As far as i know, the progaming teams pick their players according to the map, then they send the list of players to the SPL. Then their list is matched to the other team's list. So i don't think that they can choose saviour to play vs flash every time. It just happens.
On December 07 2009 02:38 milkancho wrote: As far as i know, the progaming teams pick their players according to the map, then they send the list of players to the SPL. Then their list is matched to the other team's list. So i don't think that they can choose saviour to play vs flash every time. It just happens.
Well no, but they can try to guess where Flash is going to be sent out. It just so happens that Coach Cho is a genius, and knew exactly where each KT player was going to go- which let him utterly abuse KT for the second straight time.
On December 06 2009 02:14 HaXXspetten wrote: Your predictions are Just wrong meeple. I can see Violet and FireFist drop their games, but sKyHigh>Luxury!? Are you fucking kidding me!? That's Just ridiculous, and is not going to happen. And since Flash will pwn sAviOr, (Accept the truth fanboys.) that will in Best case scenario for CJ equal in a 2-2 situation, whereas KT will simply send out Flash again for the ACE match and win 3-2. Basically, even if CJ plays on the top of their game, it Just won't be enough. KT is going to win. The Only question is with what numbers.
I'm sorry to rub it in, but you were so damn adamant about it, that I feel I must. So a rubbity dub dub... I win
The thing is that CJ doesn´t need to destroy any round, they just need to do good enough to get to the POs, and from there, like Scotty would say: it´s aaaall over baby.
On December 07 2009 09:38 RamenStyle wrote: The thing is that CJ doesn´t need to destroy any round, they just need to do good enough to get to the POs, and from there, like Scotty would say: it´s aaaall over baby.
um what? how are they going to have more of a chance in a bo7? last time they had to play fricken nbs and snow, and now they're down a kwanro and much
On December 07 2009 09:38 RamenStyle wrote: The thing is that CJ doesn´t need to destroy any round, they just need to do good enough to get to the POs, and from there, like Scotty would say: it´s aaaall over baby.
um what? how are they going to have more of a chance in a bo7? last time they had to play fricken nbs and snow, and now they're down a kwanro and much
I know! CJ was the deepest team till recently. If they still had Much and Kwanro, then their BO7 lineup would be:
On December 07 2009 09:38 RamenStyle wrote: The thing is that CJ doesn´t need to destroy any round, they just need to do good enough to get to the POs, and from there, like Scotty would say: it´s aaaall over baby.
um what? how are they going to have more of a chance in a bo7? last time they had to play fricken nbs and snow, and now they're down a kwanro and much
I know! CJ was the deepest team till recently. If they still had Much and Kwanro, then their BO7 lineup would be:
On December 07 2009 14:14 DyEnasTy wrote: I hope KT sends Flash out against Jaedong when the play OZ. I love that rivalry.
They will probably send Killer out, seeing as how he raped fantasy and all,
Flash is a lot better than Fantasy though. Yep I said it.
Also I can't believe Savior chose to go early lings against Flash. Did he not pay any attention at all to Flash's game against yarnc? It's hard to imagine Flash not getting the bunker and not pulling scvs.
I'm thinking his plan must have been to kill the scouting scv with drones before the lings spawned, but the scv lived longer than he expected.
On December 07 2009 14:14 DyEnasTy wrote: I hope KT sends Flash out against Jaedong when the play OZ. I love that rivalry.
They will probably send Killer out, seeing as how he raped fantasy and all,
If they do, then Coach Cho deserves to be fired.
Backho is a much more realistic option against Flash. He is capable of taking a best of one out of anyone.
I highly doubt Oz's coach is not sending JD because of choice. There's probably a clause in his new contract that says he cant play more than 1/2 of his team's ace matches, which is why, if you hadn't noticed, Jaedong gets sent out for every other ace match. considering he just was sent out, Killer v Flash seems very possible ><. 1 closer to Oov for Flash i guess.
On December 08 2009 06:07 Hinanawi wrote: I hope the KT vs Oz thread gets made early, it deserves like 10 pages of hype. Ace map is a balanced TvZ map, Tornado! You know what that means...
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