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Spt.Worked
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada48 Posts
November 14 2009 05:53 GMT
#341
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
November 14 2009 05:53 GMT
#342
On November 14 2009 14:50 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 14:48 QibingZero wrote:
I'm more interested in how Advokate took a game off Jaedong, heh.


mech

yeah probably some 8 rax into mech varient build
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3136 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-14 05:55:02
November 14 2009 05:54 GMT
#343
What a shitty reason.
Because its their job and they already make a lot of money doing this and it's not nearly as special as winning a title individual league which the three of them all have already.
Now beating someone like stork is epic for any foreigner, while stork beating a foreigner is just to be expected and nothing that stork will be amazed about.

Also more importantly we basically all are foreigners so rooting for koreans is like rooting against your own country in a world cup game.


Why? Stork is my favorite player...I regularly follow him in tournaments. Many of the foreigners I rarely, if ever, get to see play, and I know very little of.

Now, if it comes to a foreigner versus a player who I don't root for, I would gladly pick the foreigner, since I identify more with him, and since it means more to him than the foreigner. But just defaulting to a foreigner over a favorite "non-foreigner" "because its patriotic" doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

Now, if you wish to do that, then that's obviously fine, and I genuinely hope the foreigners do well, since, as you say, it means so much more to them in most cases. But when it comes down to favorite player vs foreigner-I-know-little-of, I'm gonna have to pick my favorite player. And I see nothing wrong with that.
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5758 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-14 05:56:34
November 14 2009 05:54 GMT
#344
pj is raping the colo game

edit- not so much anymore lol
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
November 14 2009 05:54 GMT
#345
I remember when I asked "what idra has learned in Korea so far??" someone answered "he learned to beat all non-koreans there"... lollol !!!
El Resplandor
Profile Joined June 2009
United States187 Posts
November 14 2009 05:54 GMT
#346
Ok IdrA u have no talent man 2years there and u still lose vs foreigners....
Live to win 'till you die... 'till the light dies in your eyes
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3720 Posts
November 14 2009 05:54 GMT
#347
Cmon someone beat the koreans this year. Oh, will there be any reps???
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domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
November 14 2009 05:54 GMT
#348
On November 14 2009 14:48 7mk wrote:
we basically all are foreigners so rooting for koreans is like rooting against your own country in a world cup game.
(And I say that as a half korean)
I would guess that, to many foreigners, Starcraft has yet to become as nationalistic as soccer.
Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
November 14 2009 05:55 GMT
#349
On November 14 2009 14:51 phosphorylation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 14:48 7mk wrote:
On November 14 2009 14:37 phosphorylation wrote:
These are the people who provided you enormous entertainment in the last decade. I don't see why you would NOT root for them.


What a shitty reason.
Because its their job and they already make a lot of money doing this and it's not nearly as special as winning a title individual league which the three of them all have already.
Now beating someone like stork is epic for any foreigner, while stork beating a foreigner is just to be expected and nothing that stork will be amazed about.

Also more importantly we basically all are foreigners so rooting for koreans is like rooting against your own country in a world cup game.
(And I say that as a half korean)


If you are just seeking shock value in these games, you may be right. But otherwise, my "shitty reason" stands.

And "not-Korea" isn't a country. Now if you were chinese, then I would understand your rooting for PJ.

Your reason is shitty. 7mk said it all, if foreigners win its a huge deal and celebrated throughout the foreigner scene. Its more than shock value its pride and excitement to see us beating progamers. Why would you go for koreans at wcg? O.o. Any more reasons?
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
motoroia
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada70 Posts
November 14 2009 05:55 GMT
#350
wow.. pj was sooooooooooo close to beating stork..
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-14 05:56:55
November 14 2009 05:55 GMT
#351
On November 14 2009 14:51 phosphorylation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 14:48 7mk wrote:
On November 14 2009 14:37 phosphorylation wrote:
These are the people who provided you enormous entertainment in the last decade. I don't see why you would NOT root for them.


What a shitty reason.
Because its their job and they already make a lot of money doing this and it's not nearly as special as winning a title individual league which the three of them all have already.
Now beating someone like stork is epic for any foreigner, while stork beating a foreigner is just to be expected and nothing that stork will be amazed about.

Also more importantly we basically all are foreigners so rooting for koreans is like rooting against your own country in a world cup game.
(And I say that as a half korean)


If you are just seeking shock value in these games, you may be right. But otherwise, my "shitty reason" stands.

And "not-Korea" isn't a country. Now if you were chinese, then I would understand your rooting for PJ.


shock value? Now where in my post did I say anything about shock value?
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On November 14 2009 14:53 Spt.Worked wrote:
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On November 14 2009 14:47 Kaolla wrote:
On November 14 2009 14:44 Spt.Worked wrote:
WCG was better when the good foreigners played this game competitively. Guys like Mondragon,Fisheye,Blackman,Androide,Elky, and even Testie ;o these guys actually had skill. The new crop of top foreigners are nothing but the leftovers who continued playing bw and now have their shot at some glory.


ridiculous post, totally wrong ... go re-analyze bw history



I don't need to re-analyze I have been watching this years WCG and the players are not creative at all they just copy the pros builds but fail miserably. The oldschool players actually had their own unique styles. Elky vs Boxer on Vahalla, was amazing.


Yeah, Boxer was also a lot more creative than Jaedong. Does that mean that Jaedong has no skill?
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
November 14 2009 05:56 GMT
#352
wtf i root for whoever i like watching the most

i dont give a fuck where they come from, nationalism doesnt grant me better games
HEY MEYT
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
November 14 2009 05:56 GMT
#353
On November 14 2009 14:53 Spt.Worked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 14:47 Kaolla wrote:
On November 14 2009 14:44 Spt.Worked wrote:
WCG was better when the good foreigners played this game competitively. Guys like Mondragon,Fisheye,Blackman,Androide,Elky, and even Testie ;o these guys actually had skill. The new crop of top foreigners are nothing but the leftovers who continued playing bw and now have their shot at some glory.


ridiculous post, totally wrong ... go re-analyze bw history



I don't need to re-analyze I have been watching this years WCG and the players are not creative at all they just copy the pros builds but fail miserably. The oldschool players actually had their own unique styles. Elky vs Boxer on Vahalla, was amazing.


That's because it was a MUCH different time in starcraft? It's not like every new player has a completely different personality... -_-.
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Sonic300
Profile Joined November 2003
89 Posts
November 14 2009 05:56 GMT
#354
Kolll vs Stok up next on second stage...
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
November 14 2009 05:56 GMT
#355
On November 14 2009 14:54 monstar123 wrote:
I remember when I asked "what idra has learned in Korea so far??" someone answered "he learned to beat all non-koreans there"... lollol !!!


lolololololololz u funny
sAviOr...
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 14 2009 05:56 GMT
#356
lol watching the replay between PJ and STork, it seems like PJ had trouble with DT once again
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
November 14 2009 05:57 GMT
#357
You say stork will not be amazed by winning against a foreigner. This is true. But if he loses, he will get huge amounts of flack from Korean fans, which can easily lead to slump.
Essentially, stork will feel shitty as much as the foreigner will feel happy (zero-sum)
Another reason why your retort is fail.
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domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
November 14 2009 05:58 GMT
#358
No one is that one-dimensional. If you're a foreign viewer, of course you'd want see history happen.

What's wrong with the mindset: "I hope my favorite player wins, but it'd be exciting if his foreigner opponent succeeded"?
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
November 14 2009 05:58 GMT
#359
So how exactly did the koll vs Idra games go?
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
November 14 2009 05:59 GMT
#360
On November 14 2009 14:53 Spt.Worked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 14:47 Kaolla wrote:
On November 14 2009 14:44 Spt.Worked wrote:
WCG was better when the good foreigners played this game competitively. Guys like Mondragon,Fisheye,Blackman,Androide,Elky, and even Testie ;o these guys actually had skill. The new crop of top foreigners are nothing but the leftovers who continued playing bw and now have their shot at some glory.


ridiculous post, totally wrong ... go re-analyze bw history



I don't need to re-analyze I have been watching this years WCG and the players are not creative at all they just copy the pros builds but fail miserably. The oldschool players actually had their own unique styles. Elky vs Boxer on Vahalla, was amazing.

Thats because progaming back then was different. Now progaming is so refined, that if you don't do it right, you'll end up losing. Thats why its not just the foreign scene where they are losing creativity but also in korea. SC has become more of a macro play. PJ can take on any of those guys u listed easily.
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