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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 09:36:15
November 04 2009 09:35 GMT
#441
On November 04 2009 18:35 pvzvt wrote:
this leads me to the next question how did effort lost to pj ?
no disrespect to pj of course!

Pj did 2 gate. Effort underestimated him and didn't build a sunken after his first sunk died.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
November 04 2009 09:36 GMT
#442
On November 04 2009 18:32 tree.hugger wrote:
Only time I can remember EffOrt being sucessfully cheesed was when (T)Flash BBS'd him.


I still can't believe Effort wasn't expecting that. Flash had nothing to gain by winning in that game, did Effort really think Flash would practice for a long, drawn out game when the match meant nothing?
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
November 04 2009 09:36 GMT
#443
On November 04 2009 18:35 pvzvt wrote:
this leads me to the next question how did effort lost to pj ?
no disrespect to pj of course!

Terrible defense against 2gate
Moderator。◕‿◕。
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
November 04 2009 09:37 GMT
#444
On November 04 2009 18:35 pvzvt wrote:
this leads me to the next question how did effort lost to pj ?
no disrespect to pj of course!


9/9 in nat from PJ with sick probe/zeal micro, one of the probes had 4kills. Also dont underestimate PJ, this is the same guy that beat savior in his ZvP prime(in Saviors 12 winstreak) 2-1 in bo3 in 07.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 09:39:40
November 04 2009 09:38 GMT
#445
(Z)EffOrt spawning at 8:30, (T)FrOzean spawning at 3:30.

EffOrt's overlord is scouting correctly.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 04 2009 09:38 GMT
#446
14 CC, please. The perfect follow up to BBS. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 09:41:12
November 04 2009 09:39 GMT
#447
On November 04 2009 18:36 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2009 18:35 pvzvt wrote:
this leads me to the next question how did effort lost to pj ?
no disrespect to pj of course!

Terrible defense against 2gate

well i saw the game ....
i know this is the osl and that was ief
still the way he calmly defuzed this situation
leads me to to ask again ....
lol
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 09:41:25
November 04 2009 09:40 GMT
#448
12 hatch from (Z)EffOrt. 1 Rax expand from (T)FrOzean.

EffOrt's gas is late, looking like a three-hatch.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 04 2009 09:40 GMT
#449
3 Hatch build from Effort. Frozean expands after 1 rine.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
November 04 2009 09:41 GMT
#450
1 rax cc vs 3 hatch gogogog
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
November 04 2009 09:42 GMT
#451
On November 04 2009 18:35 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2009 18:24 BlackMagister wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:16 Holgerius wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:09 Mortician wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:07 Holgerius wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:05 Mortician wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:03 Holgerius wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:00 Mortician wrote:
On November 04 2009 17:59 Holgerius wrote:
Horang2 is so bad. How can he base his entire style around cheesing and doing stupid shit? He will never get anywhere.


Boxer did it

In another era. Completely different now. Look at Boxer these days, he doesn't do stupid cheeses all the time.


He did it in 2004

The difference between SC 2004 and 2009 is big, man. The way the game is played is different and the average skill level has increased a lot. And as I said, Boxer didn't just do stupid shit. Look at Boxer vs Hiya on Blue Storm. He had the entire game mapped out in his mind from the start.


SC in 2004 was already a macro game, and he still cheesed his way to the finals

Look, there's a reason why Boxer himself doesn't cheese every game now. It won't get him anywhere in todays game. And once again let me point out that Boxer didn't just do stupid shit in the same way as Horang2 does.

And BlackMagister, people remember players who play standard when they're good at it.


Maybe for the very top players, but name a random not top player the games people will remember them for will be only the games where they do something crazy like cheese even if they play standard most of the time.

So what would you rather go for; work hard and trying your best to become one of those top players who plays mostly standard and actually accomplish something, or stick to just doing stupid shit and maybe someone will remember you for being dumb?


Hey all's fair in love and war. If it works it works. Flash started out his career cheesing. Then yes we have Boxer who is known for creative play, so what if Horang2's games aren't as well executed as some of Boxer's games, should he be shot for trying?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 09:44:46
November 04 2009 09:43 GMT
#452
On November 04 2009 18:42 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2009 18:35 Holgerius wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:24 BlackMagister wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:16 Holgerius wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:09 Mortician wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:07 Holgerius wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:05 Mortician wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:03 Holgerius wrote:
On November 04 2009 18:00 Mortician wrote:
On November 04 2009 17:59 Holgerius wrote:
Horang2 is so bad. How can he base his entire style around cheesing and doing stupid shit? He will never get anywhere.


Boxer did it

In another era. Completely different now. Look at Boxer these days, he doesn't do stupid cheeses all the time.


He did it in 2004

The difference between SC 2004 and 2009 is big, man. The way the game is played is different and the average skill level has increased a lot. And as I said, Boxer didn't just do stupid shit. Look at Boxer vs Hiya on Blue Storm. He had the entire game mapped out in his mind from the start.


SC in 2004 was already a macro game, and he still cheesed his way to the finals

Look, there's a reason why Boxer himself doesn't cheese every game now. It won't get him anywhere in todays game. And once again let me point out that Boxer didn't just do stupid shit in the same way as Horang2 does.

And BlackMagister, people remember players who play standard when they're good at it.


Maybe for the very top players, but name a random not top player the games people will remember them for will be only the games where they do something crazy like cheese even if they play standard most of the time.

So what would you rather go for; work hard and trying your best to become one of those top players who plays mostly standard and actually accomplish something, or stick to just doing stupid shit and maybe someone will remember you for being dumb?


Hey all's fair in love and war. If it works it works. Flash started out his career cheesing. Then yes we have Boxer who is known for creative play, so what if Horang2's games aren't as well executed as some of Boxer's games, should he be shot for trying?

Yes. Yes he should.

Flash evolved into the best player ever seen, excluding Jaedong. If Horang2 becomes the next Bisu in terms of skill, then I will forgive him.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
November 04 2009 09:43 GMT
#453
Effort not skimping on sunkens now
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 09:46:36
November 04 2009 09:43 GMT
#454
(T)FrOzean moving out after medics come from a two-rax. (Z)EffOrt with two sunkens, then three, then four.

FrOzean having no part of it. EffOrt's defensiveness is because he's heading straight to hive, with only a quick muta detour. lot of zerglings, then mutas at an odd timing to be sure.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
November 04 2009 09:43 GMT
#455
ooo super standard play

2 rax fact vs 3 hatch mutaaa

lets see if frozean can even remotely keep up
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
November 04 2009 09:44 GMT
#456
Effort's playing really safe here with 4 sunkens even though there was no real aggression. I have a feeling he's taken note to a few of Frozean's TvZs, including the one they just played.
Oh, my eSports
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
November 04 2009 09:45 GMT
#457
fast queen nest
skipping the muta?
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
November 04 2009 09:45 GMT
#458
rofllllll thats not mutas!
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
November 04 2009 09:46 GMT
#459
k now mutas popping...

im not too familiar with this kinda shit lol should be interesting
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 09:47:08
November 04 2009 09:46 GMT
#460
Weird that he'd build mutas that late. Oh hey mutaling.

Yep guardians.
Oh, my eSports
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