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d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
February 28 2009 05:27 GMT
#21
On February 28 2009 13:36 AzureEye wrote:
How about you stop playing so cheesy-gay? Just play standard


Who are you refering to? Ignorant post anyways, how about YOU stay away from such threads?
Adams Æbler
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-28 06:15:50
February 28 2009 06:15 GMT
#22
sounds scary. i played against a similar start in zvt this morining. the key to do slow down the mutas as much as possible with your vulture harass.. kill as many drones as apossible and dont lose the vultures due to poor micro. clean up ovies with wraiths and continue harass. but keep in mind you will have to win with M&M or just marines. this seems like a tricky korean build... not for noobs
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8209 Posts
February 28 2009 09:30 GMT
#23
On February 28 2009 13:36 AzureEye wrote:
How about you stop playing so cheesy-gay? Just play standard

What is gay and boring is to play all the time the same crap FE against the same crap 3 hatch muta, and never think that Starcraft could be more interesting with a bit of imagination.

And player who always play standard suck, as you could have noticed if you watched Idra vs F91. Idra said that in his game on Raid Assault, he lost because F91 did "something dumb", which was not playing the most efficient build for this particular map... Result is that Idra got completely raped, and still think that he lost because his opponent was bad.

Your answer is everything I don't like in Starcraft.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
February 28 2009 14:53 GMT
#24
Biff's reply is full of win
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
February 28 2009 18:07 GMT
#25
On February 28 2009 18:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2009 13:36 AzureEye wrote:
How about you stop playing so cheesy-gay? Just play standard

What is gay and boring is to play all the time the same crap FE against the same crap 3 hatch muta, and never think that Starcraft could be more interesting with a bit of imagination.

And player who always play standard suck, as you could have noticed if you watched Idra vs F91. Idra said that in his game on Raid Assault, he lost because F91 did "something dumb", which was not playing the most efficient build for this particular map... Result is that Idra got completely raped, and still think that he lost because his opponent was bad.

Your answer is everything I don't like in Starcraft.


Ok I agree playing differently is unique and entertaining and can be effective but Terran already has so much opening options plus advantages against Zerg in TvZ matchup that it annoys me when Ts always try to pull cheese after cheese. Who ever said the matchup was fair when T>Z in the history of progaming (except brief period of Savior's time) and T can go proxy shit, if he fails, he's not punished as much as Z going failed 4 pool.

Sorry to vent, just annoys me when T goes mech and wraith or other options and Z always have to adjust & be the one surprised & defend.
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
February 28 2009 18:08 GMT
#26
Didn't Leta just do something similar to this against Luxury, expect he doesn't make the vultures for a faster port, and instead tries to harass with marines. Here's the vod.


Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8209 Posts
February 28 2009 19:36 GMT
#27
On March 01 2009 03:07 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2009 18:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 28 2009 13:36 AzureEye wrote:
How about you stop playing so cheesy-gay? Just play standard

What is gay and boring is to play all the time the same crap FE against the same crap 3 hatch muta, and never think that Starcraft could be more interesting with a bit of imagination.

And player who always play standard suck, as you could have noticed if you watched Idra vs F91. Idra said that in his game on Raid Assault, he lost because F91 did "something dumb", which was not playing the most efficient build for this particular map... Result is that Idra got completely raped, and still think that he lost because his opponent was bad.

Your answer is everything I don't like in Starcraft.


Ok I agree playing differently is unique and entertaining and can be effective but Terran already has so much opening options plus advantages against Zerg in TvZ matchup that it annoys me when Ts always try to pull cheese after cheese. Who ever said the matchup was fair when T>Z in the history of progaming (except brief period of Savior's time) and T can go proxy shit, if he fails, he's not punished as much as Z going failed 4 pool.

Sorry to vent, just annoys me when T goes mech and wraith or other options and Z always have to adjust & be the one surprised & defend.

2 ports opening is everything but a cheese.

It's just an original opening.

You get pissed off because the terran do something unusual. I call you a boring player.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
SteveNick
Profile Joined November 2008
United States304 Posts
February 28 2009 20:13 GMT
#28
Isn't cheese usually defined as using a tactic that would result in a guaranteed loss if your opponent knew what you were doing?

If you told your opponent beforehand that you were going 2port wraith, I think it'd be very unlikely that you could win this, unless you were just plain better.
It's all fun and games until somebody gets 4gated.
alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
February 28 2009 21:19 GMT
#29
On March 01 2009 05:13 SteveNick wrote:
Isn't cheese usually defined as using a tactic that would result in a guaranteed loss if your opponent knew what you were doing?

If you told your opponent beforehand that you were going 2port wraith, I think it'd be very unlikely that you could win this, unless you were just plain better.

Cheese is a tactic based heavily on luck, as opposed to raw skill, such as 4 pool, BBS, cannon rush, etc.

On topic: In general, I've found dropship is great against 3 hat muta, but a bit too slow vs lurker play. Also another trick I've used to throw them off is drop down the bunker in front of my nat, but not expand behind it. Depending on the map and the opposing player, you may fool them into thinking you fe'd, which is basically a gg if you 2 port wraithed.
more weight
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 28 2009 21:21 GMT
#30
On March 01 2009 03:07 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2009 18:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 28 2009 13:36 AzureEye wrote:
How about you stop playing so cheesy-gay? Just play standard

What is gay and boring is to play all the time the same crap FE against the same crap 3 hatch muta, and never think that Starcraft could be more interesting with a bit of imagination.

And player who always play standard suck, as you could have noticed if you watched Idra vs F91. Idra said that in his game on Raid Assault, he lost because F91 did "something dumb", which was not playing the most efficient build for this particular map... Result is that Idra got completely raped, and still think that he lost because his opponent was bad.

Your answer is everything I don't like in Starcraft.


Ok I agree playing differently is unique and entertaining and can be effective but Terran already has so much opening options plus advantages against Zerg in TvZ matchup that it annoys me when Ts always try to pull cheese after cheese. Who ever said the matchup was fair when T>Z in the history of progaming (except brief period of Savior's time) and T can go proxy shit, if he fails, he's not punished as much as Z going failed 4 pool.

Sorry to vent, just annoys me when T goes mech and wraith or other options and Z always have to adjust & be the one surprised & defend.

For fuck's sake, stop posting.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 28 2009 21:21 GMT
#31
On March 01 2009 05:13 SteveNick wrote:
Isn't cheese usually defined as using a tactic that would result in a guaranteed loss if your opponent knew what you were doing?

If you told your opponent beforehand that you were going 2port wraith, I think it'd be very unlikely that you could win this, unless you were just plain better.


Technically everything can be countered perfectly if you knew what your opponent is doing 100%

That a build is more aggressive than another doesnt mean its cheese.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
February 28 2009 22:26 GMT
#32
On March 01 2009 03:07 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2009 18:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 28 2009 13:36 AzureEye wrote:
How about you stop playing so cheesy-gay? Just play standard

What is gay and boring is to play all the time the same crap FE against the same crap 3 hatch muta, and never think that Starcraft could be more interesting with a bit of imagination.

And player who always play standard suck, as you could have noticed if you watched Idra vs F91. Idra said that in his game on Raid Assault, he lost because F91 did "something dumb", which was not playing the most efficient build for this particular map... Result is that Idra got completely raped, and still think that he lost because his opponent was bad.

Your answer is everything I don't like in Starcraft.

but Terran already has so much opening options plus advantages against Zerg in TvZ matchup that it annoys me when Ts always try to pull cheese after cheese. Who ever said the matchup was fair when T>Z in the history of progaming

Good fucking damn, stop posting. This showcases your ignorance in such a classic way. Are you a progamer? I'm damn sure you aren't so don't go around talking about the imbalances you perceive in the proscene. It doesn't even matter at the level you are at.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Mannequin
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada131 Posts
February 28 2009 22:32 GMT
#33
I wish i saw more Wraiths in TvZ i love Wraiths lol.

The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 08:01:39
February 28 2009 22:43 GMT
#34
i will make a Bo-vod and game-vod of wraiths as soon as possible if it helps.
edit: done
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
yann
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-07 15:13:42
April 04 2009 02:17 GMT
#35
Does anyone have links to solid counter VODs against mech in ZvT? What is more, it would be great if these were for "all the three usual mech" openings in ZvT(i.e. the ones which Day[9] mentions in one of his superb audio recordings). Especially regarding the 2 port wraith build.... Geez that is so annoyin' to play against it as a zerg player... Especially when u fail to scout it/cannot scout it... usually due to the terran's wall-in when he makes just the right amount of rines to trick u into thinking he does smth like 2rax build ...

Leta basically blocked his ramp in the aforementioned VOD and Luxury was about to go standard 3 hatch muta... well, it seemed so. Is there anybody who could analyze this? What should have Luxury done better? Having seen the scourge to be just a "waste of money" against this number of wraiths I guess the proper (and the ONLY????) counter is to go for hydras + range + speed ASAP ... But I am a just a newbie who has just happened to lose to this build in ZvT...
My life for Aiur!
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 02:25:01
April 04 2009 02:24 GMT
#36
What game are you talking about? 2 hatch muta is a good counter to this.

Scourges at least scare low numbers of wraiths away and buy time.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
April 04 2009 05:21 GMT
#37
I think getting a valk is a reasonable choice too. When you go 2port and it doesnt finish them off, then if they go muta, your m&m army will be small to do anything. I've lost several times on iccup going just m&m but i won on medusa with a valkyerie. But you have to be careful because it kinda freezes when it shoots and becomes somewhat vulnerable to a scourge attack.
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