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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On February 28 2009 13:36 AzureEye wrote: How about you stop playing so cheesy-gay? Just play standard Who are you refering to? Ignorant post anyways, how about YOU stay away from such threads? | ||
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omninmo
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Biff The Understudy
France7902 Posts
On February 28 2009 13:36 AzureEye wrote: How about you stop playing so cheesy-gay? Just play standard What is gay and boring is to play all the time the same crap FE against the same crap 3 hatch muta, and never think that Starcraft could be more interesting with a bit of imagination. And player who always play standard suck, as you could have noticed if you watched Idra vs F91. Idra said that in his game on Raid Assault, he lost because F91 did "something dumb", which was not playing the most efficient build for this particular map... Result is that Idra got completely raped, and still think that he lost because his opponent was bad. Your answer is everything I don't like in Starcraft. | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On February 28 2009 18:30 Biff The Understudy wrote: What is gay and boring is to play all the time the same crap FE against the same crap 3 hatch muta, and never think that Starcraft could be more interesting with a bit of imagination. And player who always play standard suck, as you could have noticed if you watched Idra vs F91. Idra said that in his game on Raid Assault, he lost because F91 did "something dumb", which was not playing the most efficient build for this particular map... Result is that Idra got completely raped, and still think that he lost because his opponent was bad. Your answer is everything I don't like in Starcraft. Ok I agree playing differently is unique and entertaining and can be effective but Terran already has so much opening options plus advantages against Zerg in TvZ matchup that it annoys me when Ts always try to pull cheese after cheese. Who ever said the matchup was fair when T>Z in the history of progaming (except brief period of Savior's time) and T can go proxy shit, if he fails, he's not punished as much as Z going failed 4 pool. Sorry to vent, just annoys me when T goes mech and wraith or other options and Z always have to adjust & be the one surprised & defend. | ||
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epicdoom
United States489 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7902 Posts
On March 01 2009 03:07 AzureEye wrote: Ok I agree playing differently is unique and entertaining and can be effective but Terran already has so much opening options plus advantages against Zerg in TvZ matchup that it annoys me when Ts always try to pull cheese after cheese. Who ever said the matchup was fair when T>Z in the history of progaming (except brief period of Savior's time) and T can go proxy shit, if he fails, he's not punished as much as Z going failed 4 pool. Sorry to vent, just annoys me when T goes mech and wraith or other options and Z always have to adjust & be the one surprised & defend. 2 ports opening is everything but a cheese. It's just an original opening. You get pissed off because the terran do something unusual. I call you a boring player. | ||
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SteveNick
United States304 Posts
If you told your opponent beforehand that you were going 2port wraith, I think it'd be very unlikely that you could win this, unless you were just plain better. | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On March 01 2009 05:13 SteveNick wrote: Isn't cheese usually defined as using a tactic that would result in a guaranteed loss if your opponent knew what you were doing? If you told your opponent beforehand that you were going 2port wraith, I think it'd be very unlikely that you could win this, unless you were just plain better. Cheese is a tactic based heavily on luck, as opposed to raw skill, such as 4 pool, BBS, cannon rush, etc. On topic: In general, I've found dropship is great against 3 hat muta, but a bit too slow vs lurker play. Also another trick I've used to throw them off is drop down the bunker in front of my nat, but not expand behind it. Depending on the map and the opposing player, you may fool them into thinking you fe'd, which is basically a gg if you 2 port wraithed. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 01 2009 03:07 AzureEye wrote: Ok I agree playing differently is unique and entertaining and can be effective but Terran already has so much opening options plus advantages against Zerg in TvZ matchup that it annoys me when Ts always try to pull cheese after cheese. Who ever said the matchup was fair when T>Z in the history of progaming (except brief period of Savior's time) and T can go proxy shit, if he fails, he's not punished as much as Z going failed 4 pool. Sorry to vent, just annoys me when T goes mech and wraith or other options and Z always have to adjust & be the one surprised & defend. For fuck's sake, stop posting. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On March 01 2009 05:13 SteveNick wrote: Isn't cheese usually defined as using a tactic that would result in a guaranteed loss if your opponent knew what you were doing? If you told your opponent beforehand that you were going 2port wraith, I think it'd be very unlikely that you could win this, unless you were just plain better. Technically everything can be countered perfectly if you knew what your opponent is doing 100% That a build is more aggressive than another doesnt mean its cheese. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On March 01 2009 03:07 AzureEye wrote: but Terran already has so much opening options plus advantages against Zerg in TvZ matchup that it annoys me when Ts always try to pull cheese after cheese. Who ever said the matchup was fair when T>Z in the history of progaming Good fucking damn, stop posting. This showcases your ignorance in such a classic way. Are you a progamer? I'm damn sure you aren't so don't go around talking about the imbalances you perceive in the proscene. It doesn't even matter at the level you are at. | ||
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Mannequin
Canada131 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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yann
119 Posts
Leta basically blocked his ramp in the aforementioned VOD and Luxury was about to go standard 3 hatch muta... well, it seemed so. Is there anybody who could analyze this? What should have Luxury done better? Having seen the scourge to be just a "waste of money" against this number of wraiths I guess the proper (and the ONLY????) counter is to go for hydras + range + speed ASAP ... But I am a just a newbie who has just happened to lose to this build in ZvT... | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Scourges at least scare low numbers of wraiths away and buy time. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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