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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
July 04 2019 09:21 GMT
#21
From what ive seen ZeLoT has bashed Scan with this build multiple times.

BO51 Scan vs ZeLoT plz.
-.-
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
July 05 2019 04:29 GMT
#22
On July 04 2019 18:21 MeSaber wrote:
From what ive seen ZeLoT has bashed Scan with this build multiple times.

BO51 Scan vs ZeLoT plz.

Im ok with a cool showmatch series.
Yes ZeLoT won several times with this build and i was the one who showed and guided him this build. Previously he did zergling muta guardian devourer all in, but he changed his thought after I've shown him several replays of this build vs 2500~2700mmr terran.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
July 06 2019 04:58 GMT
#23
Zelot seems like a player similar to Shine very creative.

Scan is the counter to Muta-Guardian the same as against Hydra-Guardian? And are Vessels, Valkryies, or Wraiths recommended to kill Guardians. Thanks.
3z3ki3l
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany51 Posts
July 07 2019 08:28 GMT
#24
Is there Replaypack anywhere with this build? Would like to learn vs. different styles & situations.
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
July 08 2019 11:13 GMT
#25
On July 07 2019 17:28 3z3ki3l wrote:
Is there Replaypack anywhere with this build? Would like to learn vs. different styles & situations.


The VOD I uploaded is when the game goes classic style. Of course you will need to play something else if you are facing against mech opening(goliath) or some weird stuff.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
July 08 2019 11:15 GMT
#26
On July 06 2019 13:58 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Zelot seems like a player similar to Shine very creative.

Scan is the counter to Muta-Guardian the same as against Hydra-Guardian? And are Vessels, Valkryies, or Wraiths recommended to kill Guardians. Thanks.

muta guardian can be countered by mm vessels, and mm valkyries(att+1).
guardian hydra can be countered by ONLY mm vessels(from my experience)
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
July 09 2019 08:16 GMT
#27
On July 08 2019 20:15 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2019 13:58 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Zelot seems like a player similar to Shine very creative.

Scan is the counter to Muta-Guardian the same as against Hydra-Guardian? And are Vessels, Valkryies, or Wraiths recommended to kill Guardians. Thanks.

muta guardian can be countered by mm vessels, and mm valkyries(att+1).
guardian hydra can be countered by ONLY mm vessels(from my experience)


but 3 port wraith is a good counter to muta/guardian tho? i see pros use it to kill off guardian builds easily, i even saw a recent game of you using to beat zelot last week.
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
July 09 2019 14:58 GMT
#28
On July 09 2019 17:16 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 20:15 LaStScan wrote:
On July 06 2019 13:58 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Zelot seems like a player similar to Shine very creative.

Scan is the counter to Muta-Guardian the same as against Hydra-Guardian? And are Vessels, Valkryies, or Wraiths recommended to kill Guardians. Thanks.

muta guardian can be countered by mm vessels, and mm valkyries(att+1).
guardian hydra can be countered by ONLY mm vessels(from my experience)


but 3 port wraith is a good counter to muta/guardian tho? i see pros use it to kill off guardian builds easily, i even saw a recent game of you using to beat zelot last week.


Oh, that works also, my factory got delayed for no reason that game. I had to choose something that is faster than the vessels.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
September 04 2019 20:09 GMT
#29
Scan what would you consider the thought process of when to pick Hydra-Guardian over the traditional Muta-Guardian combination? Thank you.
BarBar175
Profile Joined June 2012
United States1 Post
June 28 2022 18:07 GMT
#30
Has anyone tried this gurdian rush in recent years? I know Scan plays Terran these days but if anyone has a more recent guide for a good old gurdian rush or if this is still decent let me know, I would love to try it!
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
June 29 2022 05:03 GMT
#31
Observe ZeloT https://bj.afreecatv.com/jh3697

Hes the most likely candidate to do it.
-.-
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
July 01 2022 21:48 GMT
#32
On June 29 2022 14:03 MeSaber wrote:
Observe ZeloT https://bj.afreecatv.com/jh3697

Hes the most likely candidate to do it.


The only Afreeca streamers I know are on the TL sidebar are there more players that you would suggest in general?
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-02 07:33:02
July 02 2022 07:29 GMT
#33
On July 02 2022 06:48 Mutaller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2022 14:03 MeSaber wrote:
Observe ZeloT https://bj.afreecatv.com/jh3697

Hes the most likely candidate to do it.


The only Afreeca streamers I know are on the TL sidebar are there more players that you would suggest in general?


For Zerg in general its Soma. He could use guards aswell with combination of Hydras.

Other than that you are very likely to see hydra/guards from ZeLoT nearly every game. Thats his style of play, super aggressive.

Queen is not a good candidate for learning Zerg because you need his micro to play like him. Soma is way better learning material.
-.-
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
July 07 2022 19:27 GMT
#34
On July 02 2022 16:29 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2022 06:48 Mutaller wrote:
On June 29 2022 14:03 MeSaber wrote:
Observe ZeloT https://bj.afreecatv.com/jh3697

Hes the most likely candidate to do it.


The only Afreeca streamers I know are on the TL sidebar are there more players that you would suggest in general?


For Zerg in general its Soma. He could use guards aswell with combination of Hydras.

Other than that you are very likely to see hydra/guards from ZeLoT nearly every game. Thats his style of play, super aggressive.

Queen is not a good candidate for learning Zerg because you need his micro to play like him. Soma is way better learning material.


coincidently, when I clicked on ZeLoT's stream he was doing muta hydra which turned into guardian hydra. It is very fun to see this type of exotic play succeed.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
July 07 2022 22:40 GMT
#35
On July 08 2022 04:27 Mutaller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2022 16:29 MeSaber wrote:
On July 02 2022 06:48 Mutaller wrote:
On June 29 2022 14:03 MeSaber wrote:
Observe ZeloT https://bj.afreecatv.com/jh3697

Hes the most likely candidate to do it.


The only Afreeca streamers I know are on the TL sidebar are there more players that you would suggest in general?


For Zerg in general its Soma. He could use guards aswell with combination of Hydras.

Other than that you are very likely to see hydra/guards from ZeLoT nearly every game. Thats his style of play, super aggressive.

Queen is not a good candidate for learning Zerg because you need his micro to play like him. Soma is way better learning material.


coincidently, when I clicked on ZeLoT's stream he was doing muta hydra which turned into guardian hydra. It is very fun to see this type of exotic play succeed.


Yeah but if he get some kind of hiccup causing a long play game he just gives up. His playstyle is kinda allin.
-.-
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
July 08 2022 18:33 GMT
#36
On July 08 2022 07:40 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2022 04:27 Mutaller wrote:
On July 02 2022 16:29 MeSaber wrote:
On July 02 2022 06:48 Mutaller wrote:
On June 29 2022 14:03 MeSaber wrote:
Observe ZeloT https://bj.afreecatv.com/jh3697

Hes the most likely candidate to do it.


The only Afreeca streamers I know are on the TL sidebar are there more players that you would suggest in general?


For Zerg in general its Soma. He could use guards aswell with combination of Hydras.

Other than that you are very likely to see hydra/guards from ZeLoT nearly every game. Thats his style of play, super aggressive.

Queen is not a good candidate for learning Zerg because you need his micro to play like him. Soma is way better learning material.


coincidently, when I clicked on ZeLoT's stream he was doing muta hydra which turned into guardian hydra. It is very fun to see this type of exotic play succeed.


Yeah but if he get some kind of hiccup causing a long play game he just gives up. His playstyle is kinda allin.


Oof, might be worthwhile to integrate a build or two from him into my play for best of 3s or something
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
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