EPTAlso, what the hell am I supposed to do as far as finding out the zerg's strategy? Guess lurker or muta? I know fast obs is out of the question.
Just some basic pvz things, and the scouting tech tips would be nice. thanks. :O
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
Also, what the hell am I supposed to do as far as finding out the zerg's strategy? Guess lurker or muta? I know fast obs is out of the question. Just some basic pvz things, and the scouting tech tips would be nice. thanks. :O | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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dronebabo
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ChApFoU
France2988 Posts
sry i cant help you, i suck too much with protoss ^^ | ||
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Yuljan
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
perhaps the counter-argument will be "oh but nony, these people dont want to be the best.. they just want to improve in their own niche in starcraft, and they can do so by considering the tips and advice of their peers on teamliquid" and my response would be that although i execute starcraft.exe, join games, and hit the keys and move my mouse like them, i am playing an entirely different game.. and i dont understand the enjoyment that they get out of theirs =[ | ||
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
"you can tell if he is going muta or lurker by looking at the ling and game flow" (garimto) There is no way you can expect to scout the zerg. If it is a 2 gas map and he got his expo safe it is all about your ability to pressure and keep him spending his money - and take your exp before he has lurkers out. PvZ IS hard - prectice. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
It takes a lot of practice to know what they are doing. If you get lucky and scout a hydra with probe scouts then lay back on he mineral cannons, just make 2 in case of fast lurk drop and focus on your expo. It's hard to explain this MU over a forum because it is mainly a feeling and you don't get it by reading something. | ||
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
On August 29 2004 13:27 NonY wrote: i dont recall any of the current best players becoming so skilled by reading advice on a messageboard.. why are so many people convinced that it's the smart thing to do now? who are these people on the top that got there from reading this shit? perhaps the counter-argument will be "oh but nony, these people dont want to be the best.. they just want to improve in their own niche in starcraft, and they can do so by considering the tips and advice of their peers on teamliquid" and my response would be that although i execute starcraft.exe, join games, and hit the keys and move my mouse like them, i am playing an entirely different game.. and i dont understand the enjoyment that they get out of theirs =[ I don't quite know why you're saying this on a brood war forum, but okay. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
The best advice is to download a shitload of winning pvz games and copy what the pros do. Then play the game and mimmick those strategies as much as you can. And dont give me that "oh but I dont wanna copy people, I wanna be original" crap. If you wanna win then do what you gotta do to win. EDIT: Go download those replay packages on starcraftgamers.com. Do exactly what Nal_Ra, reach, and kingdom do. | ||
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Singapore827 Posts
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ApollyoN
United States1297 Posts
But using good builds is important, you have very small windows for success in PvZ. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
If in doubt; 2 templar and make an archon. If you know den tech, 1 ht 1 dt. If you know spire, obviously 1 archon. No you do not make more than one archon, just expo and get goon storm. DT scouting the most probable place of expansion on patrol between nat and expo, most zergs send ol so basically you just want to get the drone so he has to send another one. Halt zealot production after your expo, robo as soon as you have secured front and main with cannon ht (all depends on situation and zergs tech) and mass unless he's doing something obscure. Bringing more than 3 hts when you attack is usually not good as you won't be able to use all. Make a shuttle as soon as robo completes so you can cannon your own cliff (it helps a lot) or just storm drop. 2 gate = good, 1 gate = risky especially if you are palying ladders or julyzerg wannabes (you'll die unless forge or battery). 6 o clock being the exception pretty much, sair dt strong there. Don't do stuff like 1+ after your citadel, make sure you time it right. I mean, that's usually too late -.-;; Bleh, but this is really just stuff I've found out through tips and most of all PLAYING A LOT.. Lots of this might not work for you, PvZ can be played in more ways than one you just need great timing. Timing, timing, timing, timing, timing. (Like that video with that guy repeating 'development development development development development development' someone posted on here) Timing is no.1, good storm, good micro macro and multitask is of course important but timing is #1! | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On August 29 2004 15:44 ApollyoN wrote: You cant just copy replays and strategies, thats retarded. You'll never learn the game that way, just watch your own replays that you lose, clean up your builds, and try to actually understand the matchup. Think your way through each game and play a lot, you'll improve a quickly. But using good builds is important, you have very small windows for success in PvZ. If you incorporate the mindset and use the protoss vision only you will succeed a lot. Trust me. I used to do this and I got from around a c2-c3 noob all the way to b3 in 2 seasons. Im not saying im a pro or anything but I can say that watching professional replays have helped A LOT. You have to see exactly what these pros do whenever they are faced with a certain situation. Or how do they defend their base when being dropped, or how do they fight ledges, or how do use their army to attack. Watching your replays only is retarded. What new things are you ever gonna learn? | ||
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mmm.beer
Canada412 Posts
They are completely unprepared for at least one of (a) mass lings, (b) muta, or (c) lurk + drop. Of which the zerg can choose 2 of to go after you in a short period of time. | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
On August 29 2004 16:33 mmm.beer wrote: the problem is we dont get a cake to start off withAlot of toss that try to have their cake and eat it too. They want to 2 gate zeal rush...and make a sair or two...and expo...and research storm....and.... They are completely unprepared for at least one of (a) mass lings, (b) muta, or (c) lurk + drop. Of which the zerg can choose 2 of to go after you in a short period of time. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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