Yea well maybe it wasn't that good strategy, but I still haven't seen anything like it. He changed units all the time and in the end he used everything at the same time except maybe goliaths, was pretty sick.

Anyway the point is that no one has ever done such good valk micro... and dude whoever posted that Fantasy - type b video -- did you even watch Ssak vs Jaedong? Fantasy had like 20 attempts at doing the valk trick and he failed everyone of them except maybe one, I didn't see it working even once and I watch the whole game. Then go watch Ssak and you'll see he didn't have nearly as many attempts cus Jaedong has a lot better muta/scourge micro but still succeeded fuking every time.

i have watch jd vs Ssak and dude come on, you are totaly overreacting to that valkyrie micro u say
u know how many times he did it ? once, just once and one of the two valks he had died to an scourge, so i really hope u are not trying to imply that Ssak is better at micro than fantasy cuz we all know who the better player is, and also 5 years of watching progamming and u are impressed by a valky that fired while going backwards and died, sure valk micro is hard but it was completely irrelevant during the game since jd won anyway, u should go watch some pimpest plays videos so u see real sick plays

De4ngus

United States6533 Posts

July 10 2010 20:17 GMT

#23

On July 09 2010 06:52 Freezard wrote:

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You know like half the terrans now do this right.......

ImaginationStation

Korea (South)25 Posts

July 10 2010 22:20 GMT

#24

On July 09 2010 12:30 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
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On July 09 2010 10:17 ImaginationStation wrote:
Fantasy said in his interview that he'd help Ssak out so that he could beat Jaedong. All the credit (and even the micro, which Ssak probably learned from Fantasy) goes to Fantasy, which in turn goes to Boxer/iloveoov (whichever one of those two made the Fantasy build). Basically, the SKT terrans after Boxer and iloveoov are worthless leechers.

Every single day for the past several years FanTaSy and Ssak devote their entire energies towards living up to their bonjwa mentors.
If "leeching" means going to 2 consecutive OSL Finals, Winning Proleague MVP and ranking #3 in ELO (#2 Terran); Where do I sign up?

You make far too many assumptions. "Every single day for the past several years" and "devote their entire energies" are the problem. There are programers that work hard, and of course all of them have rigorous practice schedules. But not all of them work as hard as Flash, Jaedong, hell, even Action (the guy that says he gets like 3 hours of sleep because he's always practicing). In fact, I think the fact that Ssak sucks and Fantasy hasn't pulled out a starleague win is indicative of the fact that the two aren't as hardworking as their bonjwa mentors. They have a great opportunity ahead of them with their coaching staff, but there is a point where you have to innovate on your own. iloveoov was Boxer's pupil, but while Boxer was known for his creativity and micro, iloveoov became known for his macro. iloveoov knew it would be hard to match or surpass Boxer in his strengths, so he found his own. A lot of people win proleague MVP... if Fantasy had won multiple times, then maybe he would be considered above A-class. Also, people slump. Of course Fantasy reached #3 ELO at one point... it's not like he's a bad player, it's just that he shocked everyone with his super awesome copied build against GGPlay, and then did well the next OSL, and that's it. He hasn't really had a period of dominance comparable to Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, or even Stork. Sign up if you want, but worthless leechers are just what they sound like; they're not the ones that win starleagues unless they make better use of their good circumstances and work hard enough on their own. It's hard to be on the top when everyone else is working just as hard, so you have to put in even more effort. Fantasy, Jangbi, and all those others who get silvers will be vague memories years from now compared to the league winners.

EDIT: I'm not gonna talk about this anymore. We're getting off-topic to the OP. All I really wanted to do was clarify to the OP that it wasn't Ssak who innovated the build with the valkyrie or the micro associated with it.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

July 10 2010 23:46 GMT

#25

There's tons of players that practice like all hell and they can't beat the dominating players of the era. To put success purely at the hands of sheer work is extremely fallacious. There are players that have put their life into the game and never got anywhere at all. The level of success that Fantasy has had is something that most progamers can only dream of and I am quite certain that most of these players were not lecherous sloths.

Crunchums

United States11144 Posts

July 11 2010 00:25 GMT

#26

On July 09 2010 03:18 Freezard wrote:
So in game 1 Ssak used the most baller strategy I've ever seen which included FE with academy to trick his opponent into going hydra/lurk when he's in fact going mines + tank and later switching to M&M + valks.

And those valks, my friends, where no normal valks -- his micro was f*ing jawdropping. I've never seen anything like it during my 5 years of watching progaming. Basically when in range of the mutas, the valks fired off their volley of missiles while at the same time flying backwards. There was no way Jaedong could kill them, cus the valks retreated back to the M&M force while shooting.

So my question is... HOW THE HELL DID HE DO THIS?

have you never watched fantasy play, he does it plenty
it's pretty difficult to get consistently though

drdolitle

10 Posts

July 11 2010 01:19 GMT

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Armathai

1023 Posts

July 16 2010 17:42 GMT

#28

Watched the vod, i was really expecting way more valk usage from the OP. It basically was just a slightly unusual build which Jaedong still took to pieces in the end.