EPTShinhan Proleague 08-09 Grand Final Map Order - Page 3
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ActualSteve
United States627 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question. OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On August 03 2009 04:55 Roffles wrote: OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye. Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu) Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo) | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 03 2009 04:57 Harem wrote: Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu) Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo) I'm just saying that if OZ happens to get their best players besides Jaedong taken out, then they stand little to no chance of winning. Since the rest of OZ sucks, they really need Hiya and Backho and Lomo to step up and win a few games. If they don't, then they're screwed. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On August 03 2009 05:02 Roffles wrote: I'm just saying that if OZ happens to get their best players besides Jaedong taken out, then they stand little to no chance of winning. Since the rest of OZ sucks, they really need Hiya and Backho and Lomo to step up and win a few games. If they don't, then they're screwed. and even if they do they basically need jd to win his normal game, the ace and the super ace. against t1´s lineups this is far far far from guaranteed. basically.... if jd wins his regular game, lomo, hiya and backho win 2 games, then t1 can send bisu on neo harmony or taekdusa. if oz//jd manage to win all that then still jd needs to beat fantasy on destination. imho its 87.5% in favor of skt1. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On August 03 2009 04:57 Harem wrote: No he cant.Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu) Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo) | ||
GTR
51640 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
Yes, he can. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I'm gonna second this and say that Backho's PvP is probably his best matchup. The guy plays with some solid mechanics, just some questionable decision making. Backho has some of the best reaver micro on the scene, so he can hang with the best (Stork, Bisu) at PvP. Plus, Backho is awesome. But, the chances of OZ pulling off an upset here are very slim. SKT's top players have been playing some pretty good games lately. Canata losing 2-3 to Jaedong is nothing to scoff at. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
What makes you say that? | ||
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
Backho has shown that he can beat bisu if he doesn't choke his advantage with bad decisions. Like that time he killed bisu natural nexus and then lost because he didn't macro | ||
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
That was a year ago.Bisu was not on god mode. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On August 03 2009 07:10 monstar123 wrote: That was a year ago.Bisu was not on god mode. Well, his god mode didn't work against Violet or GuemChi. In one game, anything can happen. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 03 2009 04:57 Harem wrote: Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu) Sure, just like a D- Protoss CAN beat anyone in PvP. Doesn't mean you should bet on it happening. | ||
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On August 03 2009 08:06 TheYango wrote: Sure, just like a D- Protoss CAN beat anyone in PvP. Doesn't mean you should bet on it happening. Except Backho is no D- protoss and has some of the best pvp around? | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
On August 03 2009 08:11 Harem wrote: Except Backho is no D- protoss and has some of the best pvp around? I don't know where you get 'best pvp' from. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On August 03 2009 08:18 Carnac wrote: 50% win is a pretty sad percentage for having "some of the best pvp" I don't necessarily agree that he is one of the best PVPers, but some other players with 50% winrate in PvP are Jangbi, Kal, and Violet. Backho has shown the ability to play very good PvP but also loses games to players that he shouldn't realistically lose to. Of course, it's easy to say that if Bisu plays his best, nobody can touch him in PvP, but I think Backho is good enough that something like Bisu getting a bad starting position, build order disadvantage, or losing a reaver carelessly (it could happen) could be enough to allow him to take the win. | ||
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