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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
July 09 2009 03:41 GMT
#41
I don't think Zero has a "best" or "worst" matchup, really.
Zero fighting.
Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
July 09 2009 03:46 GMT
#42
Ok, someone in Korea who can talk to Zero (Nevergg, lilsusie, anyone???) needs to ask him where he got this strategy! I'm pretty sure he thought it up independently from village_idiot's guide but the coincidence is just too much for me. It would be LOLZ if he borrowed the guide
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SingletonWilliam
Profile Joined April 2008
United States664 Posts
July 09 2009 03:47 GMT
#43
There's nothing I like seeing more than Bisu getting schooled... except when it happens to Jaedong. This interview got me really pumped up to see the games, way to go ZerO.
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 09 2009 03:52 GMT
#44
Yeah I was freaking out as i commented this game. I posted it in another thread so I wont post it here, but know thats its definitely worth watching if you havent seen it yet.

Queens vs Bisu + it actually working = most epic game of 2009
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
July 09 2009 03:58 GMT
#45
If ZerO can manage to avoid running into Jaedong/EffOrt he looks to have a great chance at making it as a royal roader. I've got a feeling he'll have to go through Jaedong at some point though, and we all know how that would probably end.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
July 09 2009 04:02 GMT
#46
On July 09 2009 11:17 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 02:17 baubo wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:00 SuperArc wrote:
On July 09 2009 01:53 samachking wrote:
Thanks for the interview Konadora. Haha, he cant even hide the smirk on his face " I humiliated the best Toss in the world using Queens." I love Zero, he has become the most entertaining Zerg this season, he will win OSL if he doesnt run into JD or Leta in a bo5.


you saying he will beat fantasy or Bisu in a Bo5? o.O


As for Bisu, the map pool is fairly zerg favored in ZvP. And if you think that doesn't matter, just look at how Fantasy defeated Bisu in the last OSL, and how Luxury dismantled Jangbi in the MSL.

I think a Zero vs Fantasy would be awesome, as both are known to be very good at strategies. But ZvT is Zero's best matchup.



eh, zeros worst matchup is zvt. He could definitely take Bisu and Fantasy in a bo5 depending how he is playing.

KING OF QUEENS.


You can't just look at TLPD percentages for this stuff. Zero has improved his ZvT dramatically since he first came to the scene. His ZvZ decision-making is quite lacking, even if his micro is amazing. Between his ZvT and ZvP, when I watch his games I find his ZvT much more smooth than his ZvP. Although he's had some clunkers in ZvTs recently.

On July 09 2009 10:25 .risingdragoon wrote:
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On July 09 2009 02:17 baubo wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:00 SuperArc wrote:
On July 09 2009 01:53 samachking wrote:
Thanks for the interview Konadora. Haha, he cant even hide the smirk on his face " I humiliated the best Toss in the world using Queens." I love Zero, he has become the most entertaining Zerg this season, he will win OSL if he doesnt run into JD or Leta in a bo5.


you saying he will beat fantasy or Bisu in a Bo5? o.O


As for Bisu, the map pool is fairly zerg favored in ZvP. And if you think that doesn't matter, just look at how Fantasy defeated Bisu in the last OSL, and how Luxury dismantled Jangbi in the MSL.

I think a Zero vs Fantasy would be awesome, as both are known to be very good at strategies. But ZvT is Zero's best matchup.

I dunno why you mentioned fantasy vs bisu last osl

not only was that tvp, maps were tough but still doable. the main reason bisu got 3-0ed instead of something like 3-2 was cus fantasy deviated from the usual t1 terran style. He got turrets set up extremely early.


Only to show map balance could lead to a lesser player beating a superior player. It was the series that came to my mind, as I don't want to keep thinking back to historical ZvPs.
Meh
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
July 09 2009 04:16 GMT
#47
On July 09 2009 13:02 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 11:17 mog87 wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:17 baubo wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:00 SuperArc wrote:
On July 09 2009 01:53 samachking wrote:
Thanks for the interview Konadora. Haha, he cant even hide the smirk on his face " I humiliated the best Toss in the world using Queens." I love Zero, he has become the most entertaining Zerg this season, he will win OSL if he doesnt run into JD or Leta in a bo5.


you saying he will beat fantasy or Bisu in a Bo5? o.O


As for Bisu, the map pool is fairly zerg favored in ZvP. And if you think that doesn't matter, just look at how Fantasy defeated Bisu in the last OSL, and how Luxury dismantled Jangbi in the MSL.

I think a Zero vs Fantasy would be awesome, as both are known to be very good at strategies. But ZvT is Zero's best matchup.



eh, zeros worst matchup is zvt. He could definitely take Bisu and Fantasy in a bo5 depending how he is playing.

KING OF QUEENS.


You can't just look at TLPD percentages for this stuff. Zero has improved his ZvT dramatically since he first came to the scene. His ZvZ decision-making is quite lacking, even if his micro is amazing. Between his ZvT and ZvP, when I watch his games I find his ZvT much more smooth than his ZvP. Although he's had some clunkers in ZvTs recently.

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 10:25 .risingdragoon wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:17 baubo wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:00 SuperArc wrote:
On July 09 2009 01:53 samachking wrote:
Thanks for the interview Konadora. Haha, he cant even hide the smirk on his face " I humiliated the best Toss in the world using Queens." I love Zero, he has become the most entertaining Zerg this season, he will win OSL if he doesnt run into JD or Leta in a bo5.


you saying he will beat fantasy or Bisu in a Bo5? o.O


As for Bisu, the map pool is fairly zerg favored in ZvP. And if you think that doesn't matter, just look at how Fantasy defeated Bisu in the last OSL, and how Luxury dismantled Jangbi in the MSL.

I think a Zero vs Fantasy would be awesome, as both are known to be very good at strategies. But ZvT is Zero's best matchup.

I dunno why you mentioned fantasy vs bisu last osl

not only was that tvp, maps were tough but still doable. the main reason bisu got 3-0ed instead of something like 3-2 was cus fantasy deviated from the usual t1 terran style. He got turrets set up extremely early.


Only to show map balance could lead to a lesser player beating a superior player. It was the series that came to my mind, as I don't want to keep thinking back to historical ZvPs.


I didnt just look at TLPD, I just think his ZvT is most fragile, then again it is ZvT, but all of his matchups are relatively close.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
July 09 2009 08:42 GMT
#48
Just watched, very nice Queen usage... IMO it seems like Zerg is the last race to hit their full potential, lots of good Zergs nowadays rather than just 1 hero at a time.
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
July 09 2009 08:50 GMT
#49
I wonder if this is just a one time strategy, or it could work well as a build order in games. He said the zerg is weak before queens get the energy, but it seems like they worked so well in that game.
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miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
July 09 2009 08:51 GMT
#50
ZERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOO

THANK YOU KONA
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
July 09 2009 09:05 GMT
#51
TY for the translation kona!

Queens usage was really cool, I wish he could have elaborated a bit more on the timing for the queens
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 09:52:54
July 09 2009 09:14 GMT
#52
Best candidate for a royal road for sure . Yeah like others have said if he avoids the other ZvZ experts he has a good chance at royal roading this OSL .

Edit: uh forgot Effort so yeah , Zero is the second best royal road candidate if effort manages to get out of his group .
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
July 09 2009 09:55 GMT
#53
On July 09 2009 18:14 raga4ka wrote:
Best candidate for a royal road for sure . Yeah like others have said if he avoids the other ZvZ experts he has a good chance at royal roading this OSL .

Edit: uh forgot Effort so yeah , Zero is the second best royal road candidate if effort manages to get out of his group .

Effort isn't a royal roader.
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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
July 09 2009 11:09 GMT
#54
Must be hard to be the only Ace Player for Stars. Poor Free
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Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 12:52:43
July 14 2009 12:52 GMT
#55
Nice interview, thanks for translation konadora.
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