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Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
December 17 2003 22:28 GMT
#61
"you're"
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
LoZeR-X
Profile Joined December 2003
United States11 Posts
December 17 2003 22:54 GMT
#62
I think they have the most utility if you go vultures and your opponent doesnt in tvt. By deploying two or three you can deploy mines for scouting to pick off dropships, and force them to use more turrents or put out more golaiths then they need. However, if your playing someone who lets you mine then tank contain in the first place...

Vs zerg they can rape OL and slow down zerg mass if you choose to tech to sci fast for 3/ whatever marines and irradiate.
I found that Wgtour is alot like putting your nuts in a vice, except you probably dont come back for more after the vice thing.
NewbieMcNasty
Profile Joined December 2002
United States328 Posts
December 17 2003 23:05 GMT
#63
On December 16 2003 05:20 stimey d okgm fish wrote:
my friend told me to ask this.

"why have wraiths become such a rare sight in tvt and i guess in games in general?"


To answer the question as to why wraiths have *become* a rare sight in TvT: patch 1.08

Turrets were reduced to 75 minerals from 100, dropship speed was greatly increased, and goliaths were slightly improved.

TvT used to be almost always a wraith war. It came
to the point where many players would go 2 port wraith without cloaking because the time and cost of upgrading would mean one less wraith in whatever upcoming skirmish. A player using a non-wraith build against a wraith user would either get cliffed or contained, and you couldn't work around that with the slow dropship.
yep
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
December 18 2003 02:00 GMT
#64
lol i rather have 10 cloacked wraiths than 11 not cloacked... the time he takes to scann in a surprise encounter you will lose atleast 3 wraiths.
Im back, in pog form!
Hot77.iEy
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Finland1486 Posts
December 18 2003 02:25 GMT
#65
On December 18 2003 11:00 baal wrote:
lol i rather have 10 cloacked wraiths than 11 not cloacked... the time he takes to scann in a surprise encounter you will lose atleast 3 wraiths.


You-are-simple.
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
December 18 2003 02:34 GMT
#66
On December 16 2003 06:08 Munkeys wrote:
i dont know how they can work vs toss though. ive only seen them used well in this matchup twice, once by nyoken and the other by nada, and they were clearly playing against people much worst than themselves


vs carriers yo
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
December 18 2003 02:39 GMT
#67
On December 18 2003 11:25 Hot77.iEy wrote:
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On December 18 2003 11:00 baal wrote:
lol i rather have 10 cloacked wraiths than 11 not cloacked... the time he takes to scann in a surprise encounter you will lose atleast 3 wraiths.


You-are-simple.


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NewbieMcNasty
Profile Joined December 2002
United States328 Posts
December 18 2003 03:01 GMT
#68
On December 18 2003 11:00 baal wrote:
lol i rather have 10 cloacked wraiths than 11 not cloacked... the time he takes to scann in a surprise encounter you will lose atleast 3 wraiths.


Usually people started getting cloaking at around 8-10 wraiths. Sure 10 cloaked is generally better than 11 uncloaked, but what about 5 cloaked vs 6 uncloaked? What about 3 cloaked vs 4 uncloaked? Also, more importantly, what about 1 uncloaked vs 2 uncloaked? Keep in mind in T:T at this time players wouldn't just let their wraiths sit around unprotected. They were either moving or on top of turrets. The late cloak-getter could still have decent chances or even the advantage after the opponent finished researching cloaking, but the fast cloak-getter was unarguably weaker up until that point.

By the time the fast cloak-getter was unarguably stronger, the game was usually either decided or otherwise changed enough that it didn't matter. Its all history though, so who cares :[.

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