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Nal_rA's hallucination - The game without a winner

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Last Edited: 2009-06-27 15:00:02
June 27 2009 14:06 GMT
#1
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▶ 19th June, 2009 - Avalon MSL
◆ Round of 32, Group F, Winners' Match - (T)fantasy vs (P)Movie on Outsider

Hello, this is Nal_rA.

I believe yet another amazing PvT has taken place in the Avalon MSL. It was a heart-stopping match. No one could let their guard down for even a second, and there was no time for the players to even blink. It was a game that displayed both Movie and Fantasy's desire to advance into the Round of 16.

Movie defeating Jaedong was already a spectacle, something nobody expected. It showed that Movie had very carefully thought up of this build, and him defeating Jaedong left a strong mark.

Don't you think Fantasy, who is noted for his strong TvP, would have been glad that Movie advanced into the winners' match? His recent performance against Protoss has been so good that he must be confident in facing any Protoss nowadays ^^.

Actually, it was very hard to find any faults in both players' plays in this game. It was that good. I only realised this as I watched Fantasy's play once again, but his play, starting from his strong early-game defense, followed up with endless harassment, great defense against recalls and finally pushing out to the center of the map, was very well done, and there was hardly any mistake on his part.

However, we could see a few disappointing plays that Movie made. Of course, we can only find his faults because he's the loser, but it goes without saying that he played a praise-worthy match. His play after his planned strategy did not work was top-class. He could have broken down under Fantasy's relentless harassment, which is also because of the difference in experience, but Movie continued to play well and tried to create the winning scenario out of a very bad situation.

I will not focus on the attacks that went back and forth or their harassment. I don't want to find any faults, and there weren't that much scenarios to find fault in either. Let's look at a few scenes which might have been disappointing in the eyes of Movie.

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Movie attacks Fantasy with a few dragoons and a shuttle


Movie was in a position where it was okay for him to attack with the small handful of dragoons and 1 shuttle early game. His play to pressure him was also very good. However, he should have pulled back after seeing the tight defense with his shuttle. If that shuttle was alive, he could have built another shuttle and attacked with an even stronger punch. Also, Movie had gotten his expansion slightly faster.

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Movie recalls at Fantasy's base at the perfect timing


Movie's recall timing at 6 o clock and 3 o clock was superb. It was the most effective way to shake Fantasy up. Also, Movie's ability to expand, which can be shown with his decision to expand at the starting position, was excellent.

Fantasy pushed out into the center of the map after cleaning up the recalls. Movie's attacking timing here was good, and because of that, Movie managed to buy some more time. Later on, an arbiter goes for a recall via 6 o clock. I said this before during the last broadcast, but it would have been better if he had recalled at the 5 o clock spot.

However, I think Fantasy's defense here was outstanding. If Fantasy had not planted mines, Movie would definitely have bought much more time and dealt more damage, but because of Fantasy's iron-defense, it eventually made Movie's decision his downfall.

But it's not the recall at 6 o clock that caused Movie to lose the game. Movie wasn't behind in supply count, and because Movie had expanded at a starting location, economy-wise, Movie was in good shape.

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Lack of gas expos meant lack of arbiters


In order for Movie to win, of course, ground units were important, but the most important unit was the Arbiter. If Movie didn't have arbiters, then there was no choice but for Fantasy's chances of winning to be high. In Fantasy's shoes, the most unsettling point was the fact that Movie could recall, and that he could have been continuously stuck in his main, defending against recalls. Movie should have aimed for that.

If Movie had gone for consecutive recalls as Fantasy attempted to push out, then Fantasy would have lost his pushing-out timing. But the reason why Movie was unable to go for consecutive recalls was the lack of gas. If Movie had continuously produced arbiters from 2 stargates, he would have been able to shake his opponent more with never-ending recalls or using the arbiter's spells in center battles. But as the game dragged on, Movie faced lack of gas, and eventually he could only produce arbiters from 1 stargate.

The disappointing point was not only Movie's army movement, but the fact that Movie did not get the 2-gas expansion at 12 o clock early. If he had gotten that expansion earlier, he would have been able to continuously run his 2 stargates. He eventually started getting one of the geysers at the 12 o clock expansion, but that was when his main had run out, and by then, it was already too late.

If what I had pointed out had occurred, Movie would have defeated Fantasy and advanced into the Round of 16 2-0, creating a huge upset.

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Master of harassment, Fantasy! He makes TvP fun to watch


Fantasy, his games versus Protoss is really interesting. His management as well as his speedy style is very nice to watch. Also, his defense is amazing, hence he does not crumble easily to opponent's attacks, and his vulture play is mind-baffling. What shines most is his ability to continuously harass the Protoss opponent non-stop. I think he showed everything a Terran could do to a Protoss in just this one single game? I think it is ^^. Based on his play alone, it felt as though it was all the top-class Terran players combined into one.

If Movie continues to work on his play from here, improvement in his skill is a given, and I believe he will be able to produce satisfactory results. Won't it be interesting to see how Movie progresses? Also, we have yet to know whether he'll face Jaedong or Leta in the MSL, but regardless of who he faces, it will be a big question whether he'll be able to defeat either of them and advance into the Round of 16.

It was a game where the winner could not be instantly determined when it ended. Isn't it these kind of games that make it memorable? Both players played well, and I look forward to more exciting games in the future.

Written by: MBC Game Caster Nal_rA
Organised by: Reporter Kim Gyung Hyun (jupiter@fomos.co.kr)


Feedback and corrections welcome!

Source: Fomos.kr
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 14:14:12
June 27 2009 14:11 GMT
#2
Thanks! I really like his stuff and i appreciate you work!

What is the "pushing out" timing he talks about?
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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
June 27 2009 14:13 GMT
#3
thx for translation.
no mentioning of the sick EMP's?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
June 27 2009 14:14 GMT
#4
Nope, no EMP at all, just 'great defense by Fantasy'.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
June 27 2009 14:15 GMT
#5
On June 27 2009 23:11 JieXian wrote:
Thanks! I really like his stuff and i appreciate you work!

What is the "pushing out" timing he talks about?

It's the timing where the player is supposed to push out and pressure opponent/engage in a battle because of army advantage/destroy or deny expansions. Once he misses that timing, the opponent might macro up too much.
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stet_tcl
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Greece319 Posts
June 27 2009 14:34 GMT
#6
Thanks for the translation!!
Nal_ra's hallucination is always a great read...
drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
June 27 2009 14:49 GMT
#7
ty very much
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Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
June 27 2009 14:54 GMT
#8
Nitpick:
'However, we could see a few disappointing players that Movie made.'

But great work as always kona!!

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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
June 27 2009 15:00 GMT
#9
Thanks, fixed.
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
June 27 2009 16:58 GMT
#10
Nice work. At first I was surprised not to see fantasy's EMPs mentioned - but on second thoughts, by Nal_Ra's argument if Movie had had sufficient arbiters the EMP would actually have been far less effective or important, always assuming Movie kept the arbs spread properly.
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
June 27 2009 17:32 GMT
#11
Sweet another one of Nal_rA's hallucination. Love these. Thanks!
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saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
June 27 2009 17:56 GMT
#12
Love these hallucinations from Nal_rA, thanks!
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
June 27 2009 18:57 GMT
#13
Thanks konadora!
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Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 19:04:17
June 27 2009 19:03 GMT
#14
Love Nal_rA's insight.

edit: Kang MINNNNN!!!
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
June 27 2009 19:04 GMT
#15
Thanks for the translation! I love reading Nal_rA's hallucination, and this one was especially fun to read since I was practicing PvT on Outsider a few weeks ago.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
June 27 2009 19:05 GMT
#16
Amazing translation kona!!
Damn these must take forever... hahaha. 완전 수고!
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 19:07:43
June 27 2009 19:07 GMT
#17
Cool, reminds me I still need to watch this game.

Thanks for the translation!
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
June 27 2009 19:14 GMT
#18
Great read, thanks Kona.
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Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
June 27 2009 19:22 GMT
#19
Great read
[image loading]

its fantasy!
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 27 2009 19:22 GMT
#20
It's always nice to see feedback on these games, especially coming from people like Kang Min.

Thanks for the translation kona <3
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 27 2009 19:23 GMT
#21
On June 28 2009 04:22 Tekin wrote:
Great read
[image loading]

its fantasy!


Holy shit no way

Doesn't look like fantasy at all lol
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
June 27 2009 19:27 GMT
#22
On June 28 2009 04:22 Tekin wrote:
Great read
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

its fantasy!


Wow, is that really him? that is awesome. I didn't know Fantasy started so young, how old is he in that picture? He looks to be around 14.
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
June 27 2009 19:29 GMT
#23
On June 28 2009 04:23 FirstBorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 04:22 Tekin wrote:
Great read
[image loading]

its fantasy!


Holy shit no way

Doesn't look like fantasy at all lol

FUCK LOL!! When was this?
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
June 27 2009 19:32 GMT
#24
On June 28 2009 04:23 FirstBorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 04:22 Tekin wrote:
Great read
[image loading]

its fantasy!


Holy shit no way

Doesn't look like fantasy at all lol

What are you talking about?! It hella looks like him!

Once again, thanks for the translation. Nal_rA's game analysis is always fun to read.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
June 27 2009 19:40 GMT
#25
Thanks for the translation!

Unfortunately (for Movie) he progressed right to the B team
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Tertiary
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
66 Posts
June 27 2009 19:48 GMT
#26
Wow great lengthy translation. Good job!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
June 27 2009 19:58 GMT
#27
Fantasy played for Teamliquid in Blizzard's Sandlot. I'm pretty sure some people don't know that :p
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 20:02:59
June 27 2009 20:01 GMT
#28
very very nice translation

for anyone who hasn't seen the game yet (it's not in the op, probably because it wasn't in the original article), the game is located here: + Show Spoiler +

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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 27 2009 20:03 GMT
#29
On June 28 2009 04:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
Fantasy played for Teamliquid in Blizzard's Sandlot. I'm pretty sure some people don't know that :p


I remember Sandlot!

I also remember Fantasy beat Draco 3:2 in the tournament organized by YGClan a few years ago!
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Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
June 27 2009 20:18 GMT
#30
When i first read the "thread name" i was thinking of something else, but now i get it.
thx for the translation tho gogo! keep it up
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Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 20:29:52
June 27 2009 20:29 GMT
#31
On June 28 2009 04:23 FirstBorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 04:22 Tekin wrote:
Great read
[image loading]

its fantasy!


Holy shit no way

Doesn't look like fantasy at all lol

it does look like him !!
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 27 2009 20:58 GMT
#32
Nal_rA's Hallucinations are the BEST.

Thanks konadora!!!
May the BeSt man win.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
June 28 2009 01:04 GMT
#33
On June 28 2009 04:22 Tekin wrote:
Great read
[image loading]

its fantasy!

Ahaha omg lol he looks like 15 or something
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
June 28 2009 02:10 GMT
#34
He probably IS like 15 or something
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
June 28 2009 02:15 GMT
#35
Thanks for the article =)
Oh and for the picture of FanTaSy, he is the same honnestly, don't you think so guys? just he looks like so baby on this!! Maybe 14? It's like on this ToSsGirL picture, I don't manage to find her age:

[image loading]
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
June 28 2009 02:32 GMT
#36
I'd say tossgirl is 16 on that pic..:D
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 28 2009 02:37 GMT
#37
Movie played so well, yet he's on the B-team.

Thanks for the translation~!
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 28 2009 02:43 GMT
#38
What? That pic has Bisu in it, Tossgirl has to be way older than 16 in that picture. She's been around for forever (her earliest game in tlpd is 2003 , where she would've been 18).
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 28 2009 02:47 GMT
#39
On June 28 2009 04:22 Tekin wrote:
Great read
[image loading]

its fantasy!

oh damn.. he looks a lot better in that picture than he does now too

Fantasy should just ditch the glasses and get a better haircut, he'll look so much better haha
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
June 28 2009 02:52 GMT
#40
Fantasy has been really astounding against protoss lately. His defense and macro-based followup against Jangbi on God's Garden and against Backho on Return of the King, along with this game, are really just perfection. It's almost an honor to watch him play.
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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-28 03:12:34
June 28 2009 03:06 GMT
#41
awesome article

thanks for translating

and that tossgirl/bisu picture is from around late 2007 to early 2008
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 28 2009 03:15 GMT
#42
Whats with Fantasy's nicknames Jung Laden? lol...
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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-28 03:46:57
June 28 2009 03:45 GMT
#43
On June 28 2009 12:15 Disregard wrote:
Whats with Fantasy's nicknames Jung Laden? lol...

vulture/drop ship terrorists
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 28 2009 03:47 GMT
#44
Fantasy doesnt need tanks in TvP.
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Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
June 28 2009 12:53 GMT
#45
Nice Read.
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
June 28 2009 13:01 GMT
#46
Thank you very much kona<3
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