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On March 21 2009 17:30 Vasoline73 wrote:
You guys are such lameasses lol. Who the hell cares what Idra says. He's BM OMGOMGOMGOMG. HE'S SO COCKY ALWAYS THINKS HES GONNA WIN AND THEN LOSES AND IS ALL "WOW WTF NOOB BAD BUILDZ" SO UNPROFESSIONAL
Who the fuck cares? I'm sick of every thread IdrA posting in turning into 3-4 "cool" guys trying to criticize his every fucking move and every fucking word he says. What's funny is they act like they are representing the entire Teamliquid community and that they are standing up to some tyrant and are in turn some kind of internet heros. Get's old and brings down thread quality in TL overall.
But..he IS the tyrant of the internet. How can you not see this?
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ok no seriously...
I'm not good by any means...but if i was up to par with some of these top level non-koreans and IdrA pulled some stupid bm like this i'd punch him in the face
People face no repercussions on the internet...and to put in in contrast i play table tennis at a fairly high level and have competed in some USATT tournament in the area (haven't made the olympics yet  ) but i HAVE been beaten by an inferior player and i've never once mouthed off to them about making gay push shots while i'm 5 ft back from the table or gay net-double-bouncing fuck shots or whatever else
Don't get me wrong...i love the fact that we have a USA player on a Proteam...but you think he'd at least have some respect for the players that can beat him...even if they'd lose in a bo99 or whatever.
I hope he comes to one of these Boston LANs so i can pop him a good one and shut up the cocky-ass nerd mouth that's on him...so many more people would respect what he's doing and where he is if he wasn't such a bitch ass whiner
Or maybe Artosis can get out to one of our Boston LANs and explain the nerd-rage syndrome to me...
Tip for the future: Do what i do...play til there's NO CHANCE of winning...*enter* gg *enter* alt qq
Start next game
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On March 21 2009 17:51 SickTighT wrote:ok no seriously... I'm not good by any means...but if i was up to par with some of these top level non-koreans and IdrA pulled some stupid bm like this i'd punch him in the face People face no repercussions on the internet...and to put in in contrast i play table tennis at a fairly high level and have competed in some USATT tournament in the area (haven't made the olympics yet ) but i HAVE been beaten by an inferior player and i've never once mouthed off to them about making gay push shots while i'm 5 ft back from the table or gay net-double-bouncing fuck shots or whatever else Don't get me wrong...i love the fact that we have a USA player on a Proteam...but you think he'd at least have some respect for the players that can beat him...even if they'd lose in a bo99 or whatever. I hope he comes to one of these Boston LANs so i can pop him a good one and shut up the cocky-ass nerd mouth that's on him...so many more people would respect what he's doing and where he is if he wasn't such a bitch ass whiner Or maybe Artosis can get out to one of our Boston LANs and explain the nerd-rage syndrome to me... Tip for the future: Do what i do...play til there's NO CHANCE of winning...*enter* gg *enter* alt qq Start next game
youre going to punch him for saying words? thats alot worse than what idra is doing by far
and youre calling him a nerd so how is that any better than idra calling someone a newbie?
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Yeah him dishing out a few lines of trash talk when he's angry means he has 0 respect for the person.
And I bet you'd punch him in the face. That's the beauty of the internet, people can vent more than they normally would. I'd say that's healthier infact. As long as everyone can take the trash talk as well as strelok did.
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On March 21 2009 17:57 Divinek wrote:
Yeah him dishing out a few lines of trash talk when he's angry means he has 0 respect for the person.
And I bet you'd punch him in the face. That's the beauty of the internet, people can vent more than they normally would. I'd say that's healthier infact. As long as everyone can take the trash talk as well as strelok did.
im not going to punch idra in the face if i beat him in a game and he calls me a skilless newbie, terrible or etc. just be a grown up and either ignore it or let it pass. its not hurting anyone is it, and he looks bad by saying it, and the person that becomes the bigger man gets more respect
whats the problem?
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You posted while I was typing to the person above you and i was too lazy to go in and quote it properly. I was hoping you wouldn't misinterpret it, sry.
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Just throwing this out there, not entirely related to IdrA vs Strelok but still on the topic.
Recently Boxer had an interview and he was asked what does he hope for and he said for e-sports to be recognized as real sports.
Looking at real sports, BM'ing is often met with either a penalty (bench time, yellow cards, etc) or heavy criticism. Icons like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, David Beckham are rarely seen talking trash to their opponents (more often than not I see M.J. posters advocating reaching for your goals, which just adds a little bit more difference to what I am about to say).
Now, you have to decide. Do you want to promote BM'ing and laugh at it, or discourage it? The worst thing that can happen in a sport like soccer -- as an example -- is a fan riot, and I don't remember a single time one of those turned out well. I'd rather have more people playing SC and for the "foreigner scene" to be stopped called as such, and instead it all be called "SC scene," but without the role models, you won't get anywhere. I am happy that there's US players in S.K., but you need to have people who promote good sportsmanship if you want to have SC become more than something you play in your bedroom and comment about what some random progamer said/does/is.
Imagine if Boxer was a BMer. Would people like him as much? I've read at quite a few places that he's heralded as one of the people who pushed for e-sports to be recognized at all. He's one of the few "serious" gamers I've seen (the other being Fatal1ty), and I don't think SC would be half as good as it is without someone who's as professional about it as he is.
So yeah, it can either be a past-time game, or a sport, depending on you.
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On March 21 2009 18:05 Divinek wrote:
You posted while I was typing to the person above you and i was too lazy to go in and quote it properly. I was hoping you wouldn't misinterpret it, sry.
my mistake i apologise
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I'm by no means a violent person but yes...if people have a lack of respect, I've no reservations about putting them in their place one way or another.
Also nerd isn't meant as an insult...hell we're all nerds here...so no, me calling IdrA a nerd isn't as bad as IdrA calling Strelok a newbie
I've never said ANYTHING on the internet that I wouldn't say in real life or to a particular person's face...I believe that if more people functioned this way we'd have quite a few less forum trolls and people in general would be more respectful. Ex. squeeze past someone in a bar, store, place of entertainment, restaurant...what do you say? Exactly, most people would say some form of "Excuse me", "Pardon me" or the like, how do you view the ones who DON'T do this when they do this to you? You'd be slightly pissed off...now what if this person was someone who went to YOUR bar and did this to EVERYONE who came in for a drink and not only that disrespected them for what they do, wear whatever? Feel like defending your territory/others in your community? Would you ask them to leave? Tell the bar owner? I'm sure you'd do SOMETHING whether it be talk to some authority figure or take some course of action yourself...I'm astounded that someone hasn't taken action other than BM IdrA back at this point to be honest...
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it was a really good game
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On March 21 2009 14:19 FrozenArbiter wrote:I was thinking more like Ziigmund, but Phil Helmuth is a pretty good match too lol, probably even better.
except Phil Helmuth is one of the best players ever and Idra is just one in the bunch
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On March 21 2009 18:27 SickTighT wrote:
I'm by no means a violent person but yes...if people have a lack of respect, I've no reservations about putting them in their place one way or another
Also nerd isn't meant as an insult...hell we're all nerds here...so no, me calling IdrA a nerd isn't as bad as IdrA calling Strelok a newbie
instead of bming them back, you hit somebody?
how long have you been playing? we are all newbies compared to someone, either in the time we have been playing or our level of skill
and i take more offense to being called a 'nerd' rather than a 'newbie'. newbie doesnt even sound bad at all. its like comparing someone calling someone gay, or someone calling them a faggot
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On March 21 2009 10:47 Megalisk wrote:Whats the big deal, Idra did some bm, its just him. Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 10:47 Zoler wrote:On March 21 2009 10:39 ilistis wrote:
Wow. Where is all that practice going? 8+ hours a day with progamers and yet he still loses to foreigners. tsk tsk. This is just my own theory but maybe the koreans doesn't really care about IdrA and doesn't let him practice enough against koreans and IdrA is too proud to admit that he's being treated badly. Maybe this is true, maybe not, I really want to find a reason other than IdrA is bad. I guess it's many conditions like language, culture and stuff that adds up too. Maybe Rekrul takes him out partying too much?  Idra is an asshole, but he doesn't suck at SC, he would own your ass any day.
He never said he was better then Idra.. he is simply saying that being in korea for half a year should have made him too good for any foreigner to beat. Im pretty sure someone like F91,Mondragon,PJ,Legend,Androide or Never would be insanely skilled after 6months practicing with progamers
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On March 21 2009 18:35 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 18:27 SickTighT wrote:
I'm by no means a violent person but yes...if people have a lack of respect, I've no reservations about putting them in their place one way or another
Also nerd isn't meant as an insult...hell we're all nerds here...so no, me calling IdrA a nerd isn't as bad as IdrA calling Strelok a newbie instead of bming them back, you hit somebody? how long have you been playing? we are all newbies compared to someone, either in the time we have been playing or our level of skill and i take more offense to being called a 'nerd' rather than a 'newbie'. newbie doesnt even sound bad at all. its like comparing someone calling someone gay, or someone calling them a faggot
I edited...but sorry to tell you dude...we're all nerds ....
I've been playing since 1999
We're basically a cult following a 10+ year old game...I love this game and I preach it to everyone I know, but I'm also comfortable with the fact that I am indeed a NERD
EDIT: Also I'm 23, have a wife (who also plays!) and a 5 month old daughter so you can say I've seen a little 'Slice of Life' (+39843247324 for Dexter reference!!!)
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Idras' responses in this thread were nice, me like. Then again I've always liked idra for whatever reason even though I think that insulting ppl sucks.
But again anyone that understands tvt care to explain how strelok caught up in supply so effortlessly??
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I pity idra. He must be soooo lonely in his lil white pracc booth.
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McLovin + IdrA = McTerran
"Seth, Seth, Seth. Listen up, ass-face: every day, hundreds of kids log onto ICCUP with fake IDs, and every single one says they're B+. Pssh, how many B+ players do you think there are in this town? It's called fucking strategy, all right?"
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I saw the game yesterday and... LOL'd ahahaha löl#
sry but that's not the attitude that a progamer should have -_-
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Not defending IdrA in any way here, he knows hisself that it was dumb what he did but he's probably really eager to do his best and to win. He has the spirit to be a progamer and when he loses he's just fucking mad at hisself. Really..
No one of you guys have flamed right?; Its better than bottle up anger..;
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Seriously people get sooo worked up over idra... it just makes me laugh, honestly. You guys try and be smart, say things that are always said because you hate him for the reason he explained - "i get pissed off when i lose". If idra wasn't BM, he'd be a standard terran in korea who'd just be called a nerd. He wouldn't be critisized by internet psychologists that seem to be everywhere.
I just try and enjoy the drama now  .
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