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2009 MSL -- Familiar Faces, New Beginnings?

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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 02:32:25
January 09 2009 18:10 GMT
#1

2009 Lost Saga MBCGame Starleague Group Stage

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"The reason for falling into a slump is careless practice. The way to get out of a slump is to practice. I started again from the beginning. I must return to the time when I played with my own style, and when I determined the victory through strategies. And the strategies are a product of practicing more than anyone else. The key to success is to persevere through practice."

The person that looks for a shortcut is not a true professional. There is no shortcut to becoming the greatest progamer. -- by Lim Yo Hwan
_____________________________________________________________________________________

Group A
(P)Bisu v (Z)sAviOr
(Z)maGma v (Z)ZerO


Wow. This, again. Bisu vs sAviOr. The Maestro vs The Revolutionist. Do I need to say more? Well, I will because I'm writing an article -- but I'd hope you all know your history. Yes, these two have met before. Twice, in fact! The GOMTV MSL Starleague finals was the more meaningful of the two, certainly. Bisu introduced to the world a new style (omg, yes -- The Bisu Build!) that just dismantled sAviOr. Ma Jae Yoon's style of play required a very greedy opener which exploited the inability of Protoss and Terran to punish him effectively. His late game play was so impressive that the early surge in resources was often enough to overcome any shortcomings in control. Bisu, knowing this, opened with his own greedy build that used a precise 2-base timing attack with either dark templar or reavers and corsair. MJY was unable to adapt, as he lost quite convincingly 0-3 to Bisu in those finals. The other series he lost was the EVER 2007 OGN Starleague, but at this point Savior was already slumping quite a bit and unable to really match Bisu's intensity despite quite a fun game on Katrina.
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What can I even say that you all don't already know about Bisu? Well, he's currently trying to break the all-time ELO record held by Flash at 2336. Bisu sits at 2314 at the moment with games against Ruby and by.hero shortly which he is expected to win handily. The big match will be Monday the 12th when he faces Flash in the Proleague. Likely Bisu will eclipse Flash's all-time ELO if he defeats him that night. Needless to say, Bisu is on fire. (lol...) With his 3rd MSL win in the bag, Bisu is going into no-man's land in 2009 where he attempts to become the first since NaDa to pass 3 MSL titles. Hopefully we can see an exciting series from sAviOr, but I would not hold my breath. This group belongs to Bisu anyone and the fight for 2nd spots will be intense as zerO and maGma both have a lot to prove. My pick is maGma to go through just because I admired his spirit the other night in the Steal Draft calling out all of the dragons, but really it is a toss-up.

The pressure is on Bisu now, an early bust-out and he goes months hearing it from his coaches, fans, and teammates. He lets belief creep back into the minds of the other players, and loses his aura of invincibility that gives a Bonjwa that ability to continue succeeding no matter the odds. I'm now even more hyped for this matchup.


*Pre 03-03-2007*
Overall Record: 116 wins - 62 losses (65.17%) Overall Record: 31 wins - 19 losses (62.00%)
ZvP Record: 36 wins - 15 losses (70.59%) PvZ Record: 14 wins - 7 losses (66.67%)
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Overall Record: 61 wins - 61 losses (50.00%) Overall Record: 120 wins - 74 losses (61.86%)
ZvP Record: 25 wins - 18 losses (58.14%) PvZ Record: 40 wins - 19 losses (67.80%)
*Post 03-03-2007*

Bisu was Kung-Fu Hwaiting!
That cat was fast as lightning.
In fact it was a little bit frightening,
But he did it with expert timing!

They were funky templar men, from funky templar town,
They were chopping drones up, they were chopping spires down.
It's an Ancient Aiur art, and everybody knew their part,
With a fake into a drop, kicking sAviOr from the top!

Bisu was Kung-Fu Hwaiting!

--credit to SonuvBob

+ Show Spoiler +

If you're really into Bisu...

--Courtesy Yubee


Group B
(P)Kal v (Z)Luxury
(T)Leta v (Z)Hyuk


Luxury vs Kal is the opening match in Group B, but sadly I do not think it is going to be very exciting. Kal is 4-0 against Luxury in his lifetime, with two of the wins coming in the Proleague this season. Both of the wins were quite dominating, and Luxury has not shown his skills in the later half of this year. Unfortunately I do not expect Luxury to put up much of a fight here, which is sad because I do believe he has a lot of talent and the ability to play with Kal. However, in previous matches he could not match the control of Kal, especially in the larger battles where his army was efficiently dismantled.

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2008 Shinhan Bank Proleague Playoffs 1

The only game that Kal and Leta have played was a 25 minute bore-fest on Othello in Proleague. Oh, and that little match in last season's proleague where Leta shut down Kal on Blue Storm for a solid 33 minute TvP. This, my friends, was a game to watch. I believe Leta is one of the only players in this MSL to have the control that matches Kal. Leta is also on a burning hot streak in Proleague this season, racking up a 19-6 record so far. The match is sure to be intense, but I'm predicting Leta to be the winner of Group B, with Kal placing a close 2nd behind him.

Group C
(P)JangBi v (T)Iris
(P)Tempest v (T)fantasy

Berserker v Mr. Potential -- Interesting match, really. I'm quite sure JangBi can handle this, not only because of the maps. JangBi did lose one match to Iris in the GOMTV Season 2 on Destination, but he later beat Leta in Proleague on Destination and he did end up winning that match in GOMTV. So, I'm fairly certain he's prepared enough to handle Iris at this stage. JangBi, as you all know, is one of the six dragons renown for his tactical ability. I'm really expecting a 2-1 here from JangBi.

The next matchup is Tempest v Fantasy. The only game these two have played occured very recently in Proleague. It really was quite strange as fantasy attempted to bunker rush in TvP -- then switched to fast vults with mines. Tempest did not have trouble at all dealing with this and the match ended shortly after when three dark templar arrived at fantasy's base. I do not anticipate fantasy attempting the same risky strategy, however; Tempest has been quite good PvT lately. I believe Tempest will take a game here, but fantasy has what it takes.

Iris against Tempest will be interesting certainly, just to see the two players battle it out for another chance against fantasy. I don't believe fantasy has much trouble beating Iris at all. He's simply much better technically than Iris and TvT is a very precise matchup. The two have already faced each other on Neo Harmony, and fantasy handled Iris relatively quickly (for a TvT) which leads me to believe Fantasy will escape this group with a second seed by the skin of his teeth. Jangbi did lose to fantasy, but it was on Chupung Ryeong which seems to be fantasy's most practiced map in my opinion.

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Group D
(P)free v (P)Doctor.K
(P)Horang2 v (Z)Kwanro


This group honestly bores me. I'm not entirely sure why Doctor.K and Horang2 can't come out of this group. The chances for free making a mistake and not qualifying here are surprisingly low given how badly he's been playing as of late. I wish one player from Group F could move to this group so they could all participate in Ro16. Honestly, its a shame this group and group G spoil an otherwise extremely exciting MSL.

Thumbs down Doctor.K and Kwanro. Go ahead Free and Horang2.

Group E
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] v (T)UpMagiC
(P)Much v (Z)by.hero

This group just became five hundred times more interesting. Why, do you ask? + Show Spoiler +
by.hero just completely dominated Bisu in the OSL
I was almost certain of the outcome being a YellOw[ArnC] and UpMagiC advance, probably with YellOw[ArnC] as the top seed. However, now it could literally swing any which way. Am I overreacting to a one-time explosion of luck/timing? Perhaps-- But I've seen that time of overwhelming dominant play before. I'll be very interested in keeping a closer eye on the players in this group as the date approaches. None of the players are clear favorites at this point, but I will certainly have to allow for the possibility of two zergs advancing here. Neo Harmony and Destination both allow for a Sauron type of zerg gameplay, the latter of the two showcasing a more protective style than the former. I'm convinced that at least one zerg will escape from this group, and I'll say YellOw[ArnC] gets it done because of his success in ZvT.



Group F
(T)firebathero v (T)Flash
(Z)Jaedong v (T)Hwasin


Oh. Yeah, this isn't a mistake. No one accidentally screwed up the seeding or anything. This is really a group in the RO32. One of the more interesting facets of this group that I found while doing a little research was that FBH holds by far the better win percentage against these players than any of the others. I also noted that Hwasin was surprisingly adept at beating Jaedong. Jaedong hasn't lost to Hwasin in the latter half of the year, including 3-0 in the 2008 Arena MSL. JD and Flash have quite the history already, with JD beating Flash in the MSL and losing to him in the OSL. He also lost to Flash in the first English GomTV tournament.

Let me tell you what I think about Jaedong:

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Okay. Now that we settled that... another important note is that Flash is on a 10 game TvT win streak. Who did he last lose to? FireBatHero. Yep, Firebathero will certainly be the player that has the most to gain from this group. Flash and Jaedong will almost certainly be predicted to escape from the group, but I don't have a doubt in my mind that FBH has the necessary skill and mettle to make it happen.

Hwasin? Oh god. It will be bloody. Okay, maybe not bloody. Hwasin did show he still has some talent when he beat + Show Spoiler +
Mind 2-0
the other night. I'm just not of the opinion that Mind is the same caliber player as Flash or Jaedong. Firebathero will need this victory to keep on pace. I don't think Hwasin has what it takes to make a name for himself here.


Group G
(T)NaDa v (T)FrOzean
(T)RuBy v (T)Canata

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Group H
(P)Stork v (T)fOrGG
(T)Sea v (T)go.go

Stork will take this group handily. That is the one thing I am sure of about this MSL. My main concern lies in the ability of Stork to handle the latter matches against players with more skill. I'm predicting a swift win here, especially with the new Carthage map playing perfectly into the hands of Stork. His intelligent play should be able to be abused there. The only map he will need to avoid is Neo Harmony, where close positions will become a very tough game for him against these terrans.


We know fOrGG can do this..

but can he play?! Well -- He certainly beat the snot out of Sea in the MSL he stole. Other than that though, fOrGG is 0-7 against Sea lifetime. Ouch.

I am very much hoping Sea does not decide to choke this group again, otherwise Part II of
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--Credit to Atrioc for the nice image. Apologies for not including this.


Current Records:
This is provided to save you time researching past history if you don't care to watch all of the games and only want to know the result. (Shame on you!)
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[This document is meant to be read left to right, NOT top to bottom.]
[The names at the top are simply to identify the opponent.]
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CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
January 09 2009 18:31 GMT
#2
Very interesting. It seems to me that you are underestimating Jangbi. In a group with all T's and P's, I expect him to easily 2-0 his group. Also, there's a chance that Stork will drop his group if he loses to forgg the first time. Stork is very good vT, but forgg has a long shot at an upset. Also, if Sea finally gets it together for the ro16, he just might beat stork. Honestly, I could see either go.go or Sea BBSing stork. Of course this is all a huge long shot, but stranger things have happened (like everything in the GSL).
Force staff is the best item in the game.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 18:45 GMT
#3
Genghis Park, fuck man i love that guy

Hoping this MSL turns out okay, but FBH in JD and Flash's group makes me nervous as fuck
dats racist
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
January 09 2009 18:48 GMT
#4
Nice read, although last time bisu was in an all Z group he lost 0-2 if I remember correctly.

And i believe:
JD and Flash have quite the history already, with JD beating Flash in the MSL and losing to him in the OSL. He also lost to Flash in the first English GomTV tournament.


Is wrong.
-,-
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 18:50 GMT
#5
On January 10 2009 03:48 SayTT wrote:
Nice read, although last time bisu was in an all Z group he lost 0-2 if I remember correctly.

And i believe:
Show nested quote +
JD and Flash have quite the history already, with JD beating Flash in the MSL and losing to him in the OSL. He also lost to Flash in the first English GomTV tournament.


Is wrong.

do you mean 'wrong' as in he didn't add in all the games or 'wrong' as in that never happened?
Because yeah alot more happened (GOMS1 and Proleague) but it isn't wrong
dats racist
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
January 09 2009 18:55 GMT
#6
On January 10 2009 03:48 SayTT wrote:
Nice read, although last time bisu was in an all Z group he lost 0-2 if I remember correctly.

And i believe:
Show nested quote +
JD and Flash have quite the history already, with JD beating Flash in the MSL and losing to him in the OSL. He also lost to Flash in the first English GomTV tournament.


Is wrong.

Jaedong beat Flash 3-1 in the MSL Ro8
Jaedong lost to flash 1-2 in the Bacchus OSL Ro8
Jaedong lost to flash 1-2 in the Gom star invitational(the 16 player invitational)

Nothing is wrong there
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gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
January 09 2009 19:03 GMT
#7
As a khan fan i gota say i like those odds of them getting into the top 16. Stork should stomp his group, fbh has the ability to walk out of his, and jangbi could very easily take his. Bisu kinda sey himself up for a walk in the park, but last nights hiccup in is pvz, may be the few cracks in the armor that lead to his destruction.
But as much a fan of Bisu that i am (second favorite player) everyone secretly wants Savior to stomp his group and win an msl, dont act like u wouldn't love to see it.
Also much's group seems pretty fun along with kal's. Interestingly enough all 6 dragons (well 5) are split and all avoided the group of death, I wonder if itll be another toss msl. We'll see i guess.
Taek Bang
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
January 09 2009 19:04 GMT
#8
On January 10 2009 03:55 lgdDante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 03:48 SayTT wrote:
Nice read, although last time bisu was in an all Z group he lost 0-2 if I remember correctly.

And i believe:
JD and Flash have quite the history already, with JD beating Flash in the MSL and losing to him in the OSL. He also lost to Flash in the first English GomTV tournament.


Is wrong.

Jaedong beat Flash 3-1 in the MSL Ro8
Jaedong lost to flash 1-2 in the Bacchus OSL Ro8
Jaedong lost to flash 1-2 in the Gom star invitational(the 16 player invitational)

Nothing is wrong there

Jaedong 3-0'd him in a more recent GOM final, that probably counts a bit more than the earlier 1-2.
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gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
January 09 2009 19:04 GMT
#9
On January 10 2009 03:55 lgdDante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 03:48 SayTT wrote:
Nice read, although last time bisu was in an all Z group he lost 0-2 if I remember correctly.

And i believe:
JD and Flash have quite the history already, with JD beating Flash in the MSL and losing to him in the OSL. He also lost to Flash in the first English GomTV tournament.


Is wrong.

Jaedong beat Flash 3-1 in the MSL Ro8
Jaedong lost to flash 1-2 in the Bacchus OSL Ro8
Jaedong lost to flash 1-2 in the Gom star invitational(the 16 player invitational)

Nothing is wrong there

Well u didnt mention that jd beat flash 3-0 in the avaratec intel classic season 1 (are we gunna call that the aic or something or maybe sic for sambo intel classic idk we need to shorten somehow)
Taek Bang
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
January 09 2009 19:05 GMT
#10
+ Show Spoiler +
"The reason for falling into a slump is careless practice. The way to get out of a slump is to practice. I started again from the beginning. I must return to the time when I played with my own style, and when I determined the victory through strategies. And the strategies are a product of practicing more than anyone else. The key to success is to persevere through practice."

The person that looks for a shortcut is not a true professional. There is no shortcut to becoming the greatest progamer. -- by Lim Yo Hwan

+ Show Spoiler +

Seriously i got chills reading that, jesus fucking christ. I also stopped reading the thread right there, hope you dont mind.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
January 09 2009 19:07 GMT
#11
On January 10 2009 03:50 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 03:48 SayTT wrote:
Nice read, although last time bisu was in an all Z group he lost 0-2 if I remember correctly.

And i believe:
JD and Flash have quite the history already, with JD beating Flash in the MSL and losing to him in the OSL. He also lost to Flash in the first English GomTV tournament.


Is wrong.

do you mean 'wrong' as in he didn't add in all the games or 'wrong' as in that never happened?
Because yeah alot more happened (GOMS1 and Proleague) but it isn't wrong


It's me who remember wrong. When he said "in the first english gomtv tournament" I thought about the first real gomtv tournament where jaedong won the final 3-0 vs flash.
-,-
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
January 09 2009 19:08 GMT
#12
Aight, those are some pretty good previews and statistics there. Thanks for your work!
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
January 09 2009 19:24 GMT
#13
Bisu also beat Savior 2-1 last year at ... Blizzcon or WWI. And 2-0 (I think) this year at .. uh IEF?
So in reality he's about a million to 2 vs Savior !
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 09 2009 19:30 GMT
#14
group c won't be boring imo. free has one of the best protoss micro skills and horang2 plays with tiger balls
manner
KreaGata
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1702 Posts
January 09 2009 19:37 GMT
#15
Good writeup, but I believe Jaedong 3-1'd Hwasin in Arena MSL? Lots of groups are bound to have shitttonnes of fireworks, and while others aren't as high-profile or competitive (at least on paper), I really think this is one of the finest Ro32's the MSL has ever had.
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Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
January 09 2009 19:40 GMT
#16
awesome post man!
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
January 09 2009 19:53 GMT
#17
love the Group G analysis XD
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 09 2009 20:03 GMT
#18
wow fbh is 3-0 vs flash? interesting.

gotta agree.. awesome post ty!
manner
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 09 2009 20:13 GMT
#19
Gogo Iris!! Smash Jangbi.
REDEMPTION!!!!!!!!
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
kawoq
Profile Joined November 2005
Guatemala357 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 20:43:50
January 09 2009 20:42 GMT
#20
Great reading, really entertainment and informative ^_^

BTW I spoted a little mistake in your table at the end of the article, you typed in the Luxury line that he is 1-1 vr Hyuk, but then in Hyuk's line you said they are 0-0. Same problem with Leta vr Hyuk results.

Thanks for taking the time to make it.
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