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im posting this on behalf of Incomplete.ReV ( aka Heaven.ReV ) :
The list given by bw.de is in no way reliable. The process from accusation to “deciding a hacker” is nothing short of ridiculous. I quote from the gg.net thread: “germans put everyone on list, its like: person a : "XYZ hacks" person b : " I knew it always" person c : "ok he is on list" person a : "haha more hackerzZz plz" person b : " XYX hacks" person a : "haha i knew it always" person c : "ok he is on list” You’ll find the entire discussion regarding XzOz.ReV at this link around page 10-13: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/thread/232789/220Here’s the summary to make things simple: The list from bw.de is rather a list of who hurt their pride. The list is not representing each and every German, as that’d make them all pretty much brainless morons running around up to no good in their neighbourhood (høh høh). There are massive evidence that XzOz.ReV is innocent. -I myself has checked each and every replays I’ve got of him and nothing has been found. -Each replay from LoW (which was mentioned at bw.de) has susp.acts. -Returned from WGTour.com has had a quick look at him and found nothing. Note that this is a quick peek (probably of the reps available at wgtour.com, and does not represent his final statement and he is not responsible for false accusations, if XzOz.ReV is proven guilty for some miraculous reason.) - The Germans with brain activity is still asking for any evidence at all against XzOz.ReV at bw.de The reason I’m writing all this is because I don’t want any false rumours as it’ll swiftly turn into some sort of general truth, not matter how big a lie it is. The list is not reliable and I suggest we all wait for the cooperative sites to make a common public statement regarding the hackers. Feel free to accuse to the admins but refrain from assuming people are hacking just like that.
furthermore i would like to add that i find it hillarious that people are accusing XzOz of hacking and putting him on that list regardless of any proof whatsoever.
The germans are just being INCREDIBLY bitter, because germany B was winning lots of NW's hands down, and then xzoz went and 4-1 them ( almost all killing them! ). the germans just cant accept this and therefore go around pointing the fingers saying he is a hacker.
its really pathetic and immature.
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i have a question concerning suspicious clicks.
so we know that without maphack you cant select enemy units you don't have view of. but what if you were, in fog of war, looking around their base and clicking around, and you happened to click on a position where an enemy unit was, although you didnt know it was there, would it still register as a suspicious click?
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There is a difference between click and select. There is no such action as 'click'.
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On April 23 2008 03:53 SkelA wrote:
Xzoz.ReV shouldnt be on that list noone ever posted reps of him i think its some hate from german kids that he won ger B alone not long ago(if i see reps with 0 i will change my mind ofc),
Anyway this is my list of proven hackers from wgtour cw reps
St-Kassios-
gH-Ferdin
Keeper-Tigrou
Keeper-JoeKim ( dino !?)
Keeper-Gooner
Keeper-Junkie
Keeper-Power
Batman[NA] ( ex Keeper-Batman )
rsk.Blaster
Lg)Turin
Neroz.Boss
Kal.Boss ( somone posted its Inneoov/dada)
l3wDl-SuRvIvOr
ng.hans
ng.smot
st-money-
After everyone told you that Turin isn´t a hacker, even isn´t a player, you insist in put him in the hacker list. A 30 APM guy playing 4 minutes games, are NOT PROOF genius.
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On April 23 2008 03:39 DTF-ZeRo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2008 02:36 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Watch imba.ColdFire from TSL Mondragon replay pack. In all his replays, his timing and awareness is light years above everyone else or ....
I would put him at suspicious. Anyone else played him? The hack doesn't work with iccup antihack and he has lots of suspicious actions in the games against mondragon. So i don't see a reason to think he hacks.
Did you watch all his replays against Mondragon? Just because he wasn't detected doesn't mean he didn't hack. If you watch his replay you might think otherwise. His scouting just happens to *ALWAYS* catch any proxy or allin at the perfect time in every replay. It''s not just a few times, but every replay and so often in 1 single replay. If that is not suspicious then what is? Even pros don't play that good. I watched it with only his vision on.
It's not my job to look for hackers, but I just notice it when I was watching Mondragon's TSL replay pack. Rather than just say "no, he didn't hack" without even trying, but instead look at it then think.
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On April 23 2008 04:18 psyCrowe wrote:im posting this on behalf of Incomplete.ReV ( aka Heaven.ReV ) : Show nested quote +The list given by bw.de is in no way reliable. The process from accusation to “deciding a hacker” is nothing short of ridiculous. I quote from the gg.net thread: “germans put everyone on list, its like: person a : "XYZ hacks" person b : " I knew it always" person c : "ok he is on list" person a : "haha more hackerzZz plz" person b : " XYX hacks" person a : "haha i knew it always" person c : "ok he is on list” You’ll find the entire discussion regarding XzOz.ReV at this link around page 10-13: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/thread/232789/220Here’s the summary to make things simple: The list from bw.de is rather a list of who hurt their pride. The list is not representing each and every German, as that’d make them all pretty much brainless morons running around up to no good in their neighbourhood (høh høh). There are massive evidence that XzOz.ReV is innocent. -I myself has checked each and every replays I’ve got of him and nothing has been found. -Each replay from LoW (which was mentioned at bw.de) has susp.acts. -Returned from WGTour.com has had a quick look at him and found nothing. Note that this is a quick peek (probably of the reps available at wgtour.com, and does not represent his final statement and he is not responsible for false accusations, if XzOz.ReV is proven guilty for some miraculous reason.) - The Germans with brain activity is still asking for any evidence at all against XzOz.ReV at bw.de The reason I’m writing all this is because I don’t want any false rumours as it’ll swiftly turn into some sort of general truth, not matter how big a lie it is. The list is not reliable and I suggest we all wait for the cooperative sites to make a common public statement regarding the hackers. Feel free to accuse to the admins but refrain from assuming people are hacking just like that. furthermore i would like to add that i find it hillarious that people are accusing XzOz of hacking and putting him on that list regardless of any proof whatsoever. The germans are just being INCREDIBLY bitter, because germany B was winning lots of NW's hands down, and then xzoz went and 4-1 them ( almost all killing them! ). the germans just cant accept this and therefore go around pointing the fingers saying he is a hacker. its really pathetic and immature.
There is definitely a lot of rumors or hearsay and I so far there has not been any solid proof whatsoever of a hacking incident with xzoz. Although some Germans might be bitter, please do not generalize this and call all Germans bitter, because frankly, this is not the case. Thank you.
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ok cheloman i will remove him from list are you happy now?? i understand the case with turin we have exactly the same case in our clan and i dont consider him as hacker so i will remove him and stop mentioning him ^^
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On April 23 2008 03:53 SkelA wrote:
Xzoz.ReV shouldnt be on that list noone ever posted reps of him i think its some hate from german kids that he won ger B alone not long ago(if i see reps with 0 i will change my mind ofc),
Anyway this is my list of proven hackers from wgtour cw reps
St-Kassios-
gH-Ferdin
Keeper-Tigrou
Keeper-JoeKim ( dino !?)
Keeper-Gooner
Keeper-Junkie
Keeper-Power
Batman[NA] ( ex Keeper-Batman )
rsk.Blaster
Neroz.Boss
Kal.Boss ( somone posted its Inneoov/dada)
l3wDl-SuRvIvOr
ng.hans
ng.smot
st-money-
Wait joekim is dino?
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No but he had Dino play on his account.
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he didnt have dino play on his account, that was just an excuse
they both hack
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On April 22 2008 14:39 IntoTheWow wrote:I did it for you :X
Cool Thanks!
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WGT is banning people without using the method correctly. They aren't looking for old replays with enemy clicks and then comparing them with a bunch of replays without a single enemy click.
WGT is banning people with a single replay wtf ?
If people does not use this method properly, they will make a lot of false acusations and then every real hacker will defend himself "that method was fake, remember how they made mistakes with X, Y and Z... I never hacked!!"
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I have some concerning questions.
I was looking through rsk.blasters games on iccup to see if he hacked, and while there were a bunch of reps with no clicks, there were a bunch of reps that had clicks. The difference was that the replays with no clicks had splits on 15 (bnet latency) which means that he probably played with no AH. No big deal really, but I've found some replays - 2 of them-, one 10 minutes the other 21, where the players split with lan latency (meaning the AH was on) but blaster still has no clicks (in both games what are the odds??). This looks like he was hacking, with AH on... very troubling. Are there known hacks that work around the iccup AH?
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Well Coldfire was most likely using maphack too on this TSL season. If you watch some of his replays it's blatantly obvious he maphacked the whole season. So well yes it's possible to maphack.
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On April 23 2008 16:32 Telemako wrote:
WGT is banning people without using the method correctly. They aren't looking for old replays with enemy clicks and then comparing them with a bunch of replays without a single enemy click.
WGT is banning people with a single replay wtf ?
If people does not use this method properly, they will make a lot of false acusations and then every real hacker will defend himself "that method was fake, remember how they made mistakes with X, Y and Z... I never hacked!!"
wrong, there are rep packs collected from WGT, BWCL, ICCUP to compare
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add gNs.i-evets to the list aka evets-x17 aka ig.evets
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned.. but what happens if the hacker turns on/off during the game? Will the bwchart not show suspicious clicks when hack is turned on, but show suspicious clicks when hack is turned off ?
I have played spades about 30 times.. it's weird because sometimes he has like 10~15 susp. clicks, sometimes he has 1~3, i think there is only one or two replays where he has no suspicious clicks (all more than 15 minutes long)
personally I didn't think coldfire was hacking... at least when I played vs him, he didn't play like he had hacks on or anything... just seemed like a mass gamer, that's all
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On April 23 2008 04:18 psyCrowe wrote:im posting this on behalf of Incomplete.ReV ( aka Heaven.ReV ) : Show nested quote +The list given by bw.de is in no way reliable. The process from accusation to “deciding a hacker” is nothing short of ridiculous. I quote from the gg.net thread: “germans put everyone on list, its like: person a : "XYZ hacks" person b : " I knew it always" person c : "ok he is on list" person a : "haha more hackerzZz plz" person b : " XYX hacks" person a : "haha i knew it always" person c : "ok he is on list” You’ll find the entire discussion regarding XzOz.ReV at this link around page 10-13: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/thread/232789/220+ Show Spoiler +Here’s the summary to make things simple:
The list from bw.de is rather a list of who hurt their pride. The list is not representing each and every German, as that’d make them all pretty much brainless morons running around up to no good in their neighbourhood (høh høh). There are massive evidence that XzOz.ReV is innocent.
-I myself has checked each and every replays I’ve got of him and nothing has been found.
-Each replay from LoW (which was mentioned at bw.de) has susp.acts.
-Returned from WGTour.com has had a quick look at him and found nothing. Note that this is a quick peek (probably of the reps available at wgtour.com, and does not represent his final statement and he is not responsible for false accusations, if XzOz.ReV is proven guilty for some miraculous reason.)
- The Germans with brain activity is still asking for any evidence at all against XzOz.ReV at bw.de
The reason I’m writing all this is because I don’t want any false rumours as it’ll swiftly turn into some sort of general truth, not matter how big a lie it is. The list is not reliable and I suggest we all wait for the cooperative sites to make a common public statement regarding the hackers. Feel free to accuse to the admins but refrain from assuming people are hacking just like that. furthermore i would like to add that i find it hillarious that people are accusing XzOz of hacking and putting him on that list regardless of any proof whatsoever The germans are just being INCREDIBLY bitter, because germany B was winning lots of NW's hands down, and then xzoz went and 4-1 them ( almost all killing them! ). the germans just cant accept this and therefore go around pointing the fingers saying he is a hacker. its really pathetic and immature.
First of all i agree with you that there is no way to accuse persons without a solid proof of evidence. But now you are pointing at "this germans out of that forum" in a way that also doesnt fit the reality. 
As this new method to find hackers was notified some where certainly very enthusiastic. The idea of one person where to create such an list to make things easier for the community to identify hackers. But the person didnt really had the time to follow all hints which he got from other persons.
So this was more an suspicious list for board users to look at their own about replays and to proof this. Only a small number of users where enthusiastic in a childish way right before they checked something on their own and others brought this list even outside.
The quote of gg.net by the way is from a german user(inferno-t) who caught with proof to be an hacker and he even confessed it on the board so he got banned. Now he is maybe trying to bitch things up as much as possible cause his description is more than exaggerated. Even before Heaven.Rev for example showed up many german people in the board criticized that list as they saw it was already brought outside into other forums even it wasnt a solid proofed one.
So pls dont generalize and but wrong intentions in people. Because i think most of the people in this board doesnt care about old nationwars.
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On April 23 2008 17:18 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2008 16:32 Telemako wrote:
WGT is banning people without using the method correctly. They aren't looking for old replays with enemy clicks and then comparing them with a bunch of replays without a single enemy click.
WGT is banning people with a single replay wtf ?
If people does not use this method properly, they will make a lot of false acusations and then every real hacker will defend himself "that method was fake, remember how they made mistakes with X, Y and Z... I never hacked!!" wrong, there are rep packs collected from WGT, BWCL, ICCUP to compare
I was reading this and it looked like somebody points to Kal.Boss aka inneoov aka dada with one replay and after a couple of post an admin comes and announces his ban. So every case is being investigated, enough valid replays gathered and then decision taken? I'm glad then ^_^
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