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Has ANYONE seen worse games?
EVERY SINGLE game in the Bacchus OSL was dog shit awful (save Bisu vs Flash). Has there even been such a terrible OSL? They had to remove a map, there were several oddball first-time players who played like shit, and STORK LOST AGAIN jkglsafjklsagjlkasfjlsak.
God i have such sick OSL rage.
I PRAY TO GOD the OSL has better games in the future -_-
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I think Flash would disagree
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Hahahah I'm glad I missed it then. Girls > Stork
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yeah it was pretty horrible.... damn i miss the savior days, at least he made for entertaining games... all those new kids who are up there play really really good, dont get me wrong, but they fail to produce consistantly entertaining games like we saw them all the time in the golden savior age... good ol times
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I liked seeing Flash rape stork
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the problem is that no one is going to remember flash's victory.
everyone remembers Anytime > Boxer 3-2 dramatic series. Everyone remembers Xellos > Yellow 3-2. No one remembers any of the games from Nada vs July 3-0 or any other 3-0 (except for Bisu > Savior 3-0 because that was the sickest upset of all time)
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i'm still SO annoyed that every fucking game blew such insane ass
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i want my dose of boxeresque micro and ballsy proxies.
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On March 15 2008 19:29 Day[9] wrote: the problem is that no one is going to remember flash's victory.
everyone remembers Anytime > Boxer 3-2 dramatic series. Everyone remembers Xellos > Yellow 3-2. No one remembers any of the games from Nada vs July 3-0 or any other 3-0 (except for Bisu > Savior 3-0 because that was the sickest upset of all time)
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i'm still SO annoyed that every fucking game blew such insane ass wasnt it Anytime > Nada 3-2 ?
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Osaka27131 Posts
On March 15 2008 19:28 diehilde wrote:yeah it was pretty horrible.... damn i miss the savior days, at least he made for entertaining games... all those new kids who are up there play really really good, dont get me wrong, but they fail to produce consistantly entertaining games like we saw them all the time in the golden savior age... good ol times 
lol, you are so new.
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totally agree with OP, worst OSL ever
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I blame it on Stork for choking again in the finals.
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the opening to the osl set the trend
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Well, a new era in Progaming has begun! It's Flash time! And this OSL will be remembered as his first Starleague win!
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On March 15 2008 19:29 Day[9] wrote: the problem is that no one is going to remember flash's victory.
everyone remembers Anytime > Boxer 3-2 dramatic series. Everyone remembers Xellos > Yellow 3-2. No one remembers any of the games from Nada vs July 3-0 or any other 3-0 (except for Bisu > Savior 3-0 because that was the sickest upset of all time)
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i'm still SO annoyed that every fucking game blew such insane ass
everyone is going to remember this as flash's first and worst starleague victory (i am implying he will dominate starcraft for the next couple of years)
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If Stork is the 2nd Yellow, that makes Flash the 2nd Sync? :3
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Meh an OSL is an OSL.
Manifesto, you've stopped voting in liquibet?
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Its not Flash'S fault that the final sucked but storks who just wasnt able to outthink and or outplay flash in at least one of there five potential games.. T_T
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On March 15 2008 19:34 Late wrote: If Stork is the 2nd Yellow, that makes Flash the 2nd Sync? :3 If Flash slumps after this (hopefully) he will definitely be Neo Sync. Shit OSL + fall to mediocracy.
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On March 15 2008 19:33 hiho_a60 wrote: Well, a new era in Progaming has begun! It's Flash time! And this OSL will be remembered as his first Starleague win! It's Flash and Jaedong time. I predict a long lasting rivalry between the two, with epic games everytime they meet.
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On March 15 2008 19:37 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Its not Flash'S fault that the final sucked but storks who just wasnt able to outthink and or outplay flash in at least one of there five potential games.. T_T
It is not about finals, the whole OSL was crap.
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On March 15 2008 19:34 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2008 19:29 Day[9] wrote: the problem is that no one is going to remember flash's victory.
everyone remembers Anytime > Boxer 3-2 dramatic series. Everyone remembers Xellos > Yellow 3-2. No one remembers any of the games from Nada vs July 3-0 or any other 3-0 (except for Bisu > Savior 3-0 because that was the sickest upset of all time)
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i'm still SO annoyed that every fucking game blew such insane ass everyone is going to remember this as flash's first and worst starleague victory (i am implying he will dominate starcraft for the next couple of years)
How is it his worst? He completely dominated the opposition, and arguably the best P playing right now.
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Come on Day[9], it's not the worst OSL. Don't be so dissappointed because your brother is not a guest commentator in the FINALs. His time will come! hehe just kidding!
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On March 15 2008 19:41 hiho_a60 wrote: Come on Day[9], it's not the worst OSL. Don't be so dissappointed because your brother is not a guest commentator in the FINALs. His time will come! hehe just kidding!
Man, you just dodged that huge bullet! Oh wait, no you didn't!
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On March 15 2008 19:31 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2008 19:28 diehilde wrote:yeah it was pretty horrible.... damn i miss the savior days, at least he made for entertaining games... all those new kids who are up there play really really good, dont get me wrong, but they fail to produce consistantly entertaining games like we saw them all the time in the golden savior age... good ol times  lol, you are so new. huh i play bw since 2000 and watched progaming since grr vs hot, still i found the savior era to be the most entertaining of all times. dont think this is "new" even by tl standards..
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Pretty bad OSL. One of the worst I'd have to say. Still nice to see Flash's run, but... its only... nice. And nice isn't nearly enough.
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Damn I thought this thread was for "quality VODs" links.
It's been a while OSL hasn't got an epic finals. Anyway good to know in advance that the match sucked, save me a few hours of my life.
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On March 15 2008 20:22 mrdx wrote: Damn I thought this thread was for "quality VODs" links.
It's been a while OSL hasn't got an epic finals. Anyway good to know in advance that the match sucked, save me a few hours of my life. lol, saves you like 20min. Might as well watch them :-)
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One series was good. Bisu vs Flash. Everything else felt like Fodder, and Stork falling apart was the very worst.
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Sweden1282 Posts
On March 15 2008 19:31 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2008 19:29 Day[9] wrote: the problem is that no one is going to remember flash's victory.
everyone remembers Anytime > Boxer 3-2 dramatic series. Everyone remembers Xellos > Yellow 3-2. No one remembers any of the games from Nada vs July 3-0 or any other 3-0 (except for Bisu > Savior 3-0 because that was the sickest upset of all time)
jfklsjglkasfjlksgjklasf
i'm still SO annoyed that every fucking game blew such insane ass wasnt it Anytime > Nada 3-2 ? so1 was anytime > boxer 3-2, shinhan2 was nada > anytime 3-2
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Flash is a monster and he deservedly crushed Stork 3-0. The games were weak because Stork was no match for Flash.
I have to agree that the overall quality of this OSL was pretty weak 
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On March 15 2008 19:30 dybydx wrote: i want my dose of boxeresque micro and ballsy proxies. Then watch game 2... and Ya I thought Bisu vs Flash was really good.
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The MSL wasn't anything exceptional, too.
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It'd be good if they have like a Super Mega Final and get the MSL champ to face the OGN champ.
Yeah.
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quit bitching about the quality of the games, the players played well. its not their fault. -_-
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this series sucked, no question about it. flash, the player i hate the most also won, so it makes it even worse.
i wanted and expected something a lot better, not even near the series Anytime vs Boxer or Anytime vs Nada, but something close to it. i guess i'm biased because i love anytime.
but seriously, wtf. the games were shit.
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It was just a difference in the level of skill. There was just no way the games could have been better, unless Stork was better. It's his fault.
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So minus_human called me this morning and asked me if I watched the OSL. I said no, but i was thinking wtf, it should have started just 30-40 mins ago. And then he said "Oh well, it's already finished, Flash won. "
A part of me was 'WTF ???" while the other part that was hating flash since he cheesed the shit out of bisu last OSL just went berserk.
That's not the way you play an OSL final, that not the way you win it. I wanted atleast 1 30-40 mins long game .
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On March 15 2008 20:22 mrdx wrote: Damn I thought this thread was for "quality VODs" links.
It's been a while OSL hasn't got an epic finals. Anyway good to know in advance that the match sucked, save me a few hours of my life.
Iris vs GGplay was pretty epic.
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Anytime vs Nada - Good final.I was satisfied with the games. Nada vs Savior - Pretty good final, game 1 was intense, scanner break at game 3 was amazing. Iris vs GGPlay - Intense game 5, Interesting games, incredible play by GGPlay in last 3 games. Stork vs Jaedong - game 1 was awful, game 2 is really flashy (EE HAN TIMING), 3-4 was total rape. Stork vs Nada - Total dog rape shit.
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the flash vs jaedong series wasnt so bad either, but flash vs bisu was the best
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The final was really anti-climatic: 2 15 minute games and 1 7 minute. Each one was a rape. I have no idea what the fuck Stork was doing but he played like a greedy newbie, totally unable to cope with early timing pushes or rushes. I want EPIC games between two top-tier pros, not crap like this! I see this in BattleNet every time.
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On March 16 2008 00:50 Hyperionnn wrote: Anytime vs Nada - Good final.I was satisfied with the games. Nada vs Savior - Pretty good final, game 1 was intense, scanner break at game 3 was amazing. Iris vs GGPlay - Intense game 5, Interesting games, incredible play by GGPlay in last 3 games. Stork vs Jaedong - game 1 was awful, game 2 is really flashy (EE HAN TIMING), 3-4 was total rape. Stork vs Nada - Total dog rape shit.
there was no fucking scan breaker savior didnt touch the scan or even go anywhere near it
nada just lost all his units like a newbie, like the way he handled the rest of the series
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Also, I would dare say that Stork never played Nada in the OSL finals.
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Kal vs Jaedong was pretty sick.
This OSL blew ass cause Jaedong got eliminated early.
Had it been Jaedong vs bisu at the semis and perhaps a rematch of stork vs Bisu..then maybe.
Better yet, if Best beat Stork on better positions. Damn.
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BEST OSL SINCE LOOOOOOONG TIME, TERRAN WON!! YEYYYYYY!!
Feel the powa of the Terran Dominian Force! Hide under your beds bunkerhaters, a new era has begun! shalalalalallalalalalalla
What's that funny timer thingy on the bottom right?
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3-0...not what I predicted. Flash is even greater than I could possibly of imagined. Stork was so outclassed it wasn't even funny. So much improvement, so fast. Flash shall become unstoppable.
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ahhahahahha Stork's fans are reaaaaaaaaaally sad :D
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
LOL OMGGGGGGG RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPE i think all the games were pretty bad
but im happy for flash so that's ok
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I disagree with OP... I think flash is just really dominant imo? he completely raped everyone that got on his way lately
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why does everyone think short games suck? i understand that this final was disappointing and it may hav sucked but i always see people in finals threads saying i want a 30-40 minute game please
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Flash's timing game 1 & 3 was just sick. Game 1 goliaths just in time to defend reaver then run army from Protoss blob. Game 3 despite a later CC had the bigger army to rush with!
The games aren't shitty at all. Flash is a level above EVERYONE just like in the Boxer era. He didnt even use his dominating fast cc fast armory upgrade turtle build to win.
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Stork really deserves a FUCKING TITLE WIN FOR ONCE =/
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On March 16 2008 05:05 clazziquai wrote: Stork really deserves a FUCKING TITLE WIN FOR ONCE =/
he doesnt deserve anything after wasting so many chances
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Agreed. The only way one "deserves" anything in a competitive game/sport is by being the best. He did not win anything because he is not the best. So he does not deserve it.
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People talk Flash up SO much that I almost wanted stork, one of my least favorite progamers, to win. At least KTF gets a win, I guess.
Yes, the OSL was utterly boring and anticlimactic. Yes, the MSL wasn't all that great itself, but comparatively it was by far the better league this time around.
I don't want to go too far with this statement, but it's just true that some players, good or bad, make games more interesting than others. Boxer vs Ra is never a bad game. Both players are brilliant, and even when they're not on top of the SC world they still put out more entertaining games than most.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Finals are crap nowadays. Very little hype etc. 
Now this is what an OSL finals thread should be like. 84 pages.
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wow that was like b.net attack, some pro just pwned a n00b named stork 3-0 lol. there was clearly no competition. the horrifying flash push is beyond godlike.
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I though these games were very exiting to watch. Yes they were very short, straightforward and one-sided but what happened was so unexpected that it provided excitement nevertheless. I stood up in front of my TV at least 5 times in the course of the 40 minutes all three games lasted.
I think Jaedong is the equal of Flash (their games are always very even) while Bisu still has what it takes to defeat either (even though he recently lost to both). I always felt Flash was on another level than Stork, but since everyone was saying Stork should win I came to assume I was wrong. It seems that facts prove that Stork simply isn’t a champion.
Unless he just can’t take the pressure of a Grand Final… which is the same.
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United States11637 Posts
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i think after the loss on GSI stork came up with a late game strat to win but flash quickly realizes his opponent will catch on to his fast gol tactic, so he went mad push.
in the aftermath interview, poor stork cried T.T he said he let his fans down. he practice hard but didnt get a chance to pull off his strats. i feel bad for him.
on the bright side, i just earned myself 8 liquid bet points. ^^
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I don't even know why people consider the OSL the biggest event in SC. The MSL is always better now.
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On March 15 2008 22:53 dO_ov wrote: this series sucked, no question about it. flash, the player i hate the most also won, so it makes it even worse.
i wanted and expected something a lot better, not even near the series Anytime vs Boxer or Anytime vs Nada, but something close to it. i guess i'm biased because i love anytime.
but seriously, wtf. the games were shit.
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Why do people keep on saying that OSL has more prestige than MSL? -_-
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On March 16 2008 08:50 muramasa wrote: I don't even know why people consider the OSL the biggest event in SC. The MSL is always better now.
On March 16 2008 09:22 Seraphim wrote: Why do people keep on saying that OSL has more prestige than MSL? -_- OSL is the original starleague. It's more popular, more prestigeous, and generally provides better games. The past 5 OSLs were better than the MSL's imo.
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this current MSL was VASTLY WAY INSANELY better than the Bacchus OSL.
Hell, the previous MSL (GOM S3) was better than the previous OSL (EVER).
I mean, my god, i cannot think of a SINGLE intense/good quality game played in the entire OSL. Maybe some of the tiebreakers were good, but other than this.... every game just disappointed the shit out of me. The first sign for me was when Yarnc somehow lost to Frozean on demon's forest after both players played like crap.
Savior vs Jaedong was decent...
were there any other good games of note?
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MSL and OSL players should be voted. Then'd we have leagues that comprise of
Terran: BoxeR, iloveoov, NaDa, Midas, XellOs Zerg: sAviOr, GoRush, YellOw, JulyZerg, OversKy Protoss: Bisu, Reach, rA, GiYom, Kingdom, GARIMTO
EPIC
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Ha that'd suck hardcore.
Guys like Reach, Ra, Grrr, Kingdom, Garimto etc just aren't up to it anymore.
Too much one sided rape in an OSL/MSL like that.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
i've always placed MSL and OSL as teh same
hey come on, MSL produced the legendary 4-2 gorush vs nada games right/ and rise of all the bonjwas came through MSL :D haha
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On March 16 2008 13:13 Day[9] wrote: were there any other good games of note?
Bisu vs Flash @ Katrina
where bisu used mass recall, using it like a nydus canal
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On March 16 2008 21:28 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2008 13:13 Day[9] wrote: were there any other good games of note? Bisu vs Flash @ Katrina where bisu used mass recall, using it like a nydus canal
yeah in my OP (not the one you quoted) i said "except for bisu vs flash" which was clearly a kick ass series. again, other than those games (damnit i can't believe bisu lost that game on katrina) i'm still shocked and appalled that the games sucked so hard :[
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On March 15 2008 19:38 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2008 19:34 Late wrote: If Stork is the 2nd Yellow, that makes Flash the 2nd Sync? :3 If Flash slumps after this (hopefully) he will definitely be Neo Sync. Shit OSL + fall to mediocracy.
no hope of flash falling into a slump, its gonna be all him and jeadong
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On March 15 2008 22:53 dO_ov wrote: this series sucked, no question about it. flash, the player i hate the most also won, so it makes it even worse.
i wanted and expected something a lot better, not even near the series Anytime vs Boxer or Anytime vs Nada, but something close to it. i guess i'm biased because i love anytime.
but seriously, wtf. the games were shit.
shush now, flash was just to dominate im not saying it wasnt a bad series just dont QQ over it to much
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The finals seemed to harness some hope for entertaining games, but really, GSI finals were like 10000 times more entertaining.
Worst OSL I've seen so far, in terms of entertainment and game quality, but one of the most satisfying for my personal taste, because Flash seems promising.
W/e, we'll just wait for next season I guess
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On March 16 2008 08:27 dybydx wrote: i think after the loss on GSI stork came up with a late game strat to win but flash quickly realizes his opponent will catch on to his fast gol tactic...
From the Interview thread:
You went with a bunker rush after proxy barrcks on the 2nd match. What is the reason you did this? You were a game ahead? did you try it on a whim? If not did You make arrangements beforehand?
I have made arrangements beforehand you have seen all strategy today. I expected Stork rise to the bait for my psychological warfare. So he naturally did it.
(note: Before the finals, Flash said "I am going to beat you by 'anti-carrier build' strategy" this excited Stork. In opposition, Stork said "I already analyzed your strategy. I am going to break you")
It was Stork's fault for thinking that Flash would announce his strategy beforehand, and not change it.
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I think that there was to meny players who tried with "all in - strategies". Im not sure but it felt like there whare to meny short games and unfurtually only one player lived up to the expectation in the finals.
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South Africa4316 Posts
On March 15 2008 19:29 Day[9] wrote: the problem is that no one is going to remember flash's victory.
everyone remembers Anytime > Boxer 3-2 dramatic series. Everyone remembers Xellos > Yellow 3-2. No one remembers any of the games from Nada vs July 3-0 or any other 3-0 (except for Bisu > Savior 3-0 because that was the sickest upset of all time)
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i'm still SO annoyed that every fucking game blew such insane ass
The only way this final will be forgotten is if Flash turns out to be a Sync, which I doubt very much will happen. I've never seen anyone improve as quickly as Flash had, before the GSI Flash was "one of the best" players around, easily top 10. After the GSI Flash was easily top 5, now Flash is top 3, and it's not just that your perceptions change, he's game play improves with every game.
That said, OSL Finals were nice because Flash dominated, but the OSL game quality as a whole was fairly low. It was more exciting than EVER though for some reason...
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On March 15 2008 19:29 Day[9] wrote: the problem is that no one is going to remember flash's victory.
everyone remembers Anytime > Boxer 3-2 dramatic series. Everyone remembers Xellos > Yellow 3-2. No one remembers any of the games from Nada vs July 3-0 or any other 3-0 (except for Bisu > Savior 3-0 because that was the sickest upset of all time)
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i'm still SO annoyed that every fucking game blew such insane ass
I would disagree, Nada beat July with incredible timing execution and some nice micro. It was not all one sided.
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