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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
February 11 2022 18:27 GMT
#61
On February 11 2022 23:16 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2022 17:52 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Yeah, it would be unfortunate with a 1700 mmr player in proleague with 2350mmr players missing out.


unfortunate is a very nice and diplomatic way to put it

let me be a bit more blunt here..

The system is massively flawed and clearly worse than the previous one if a 1700mmr would be able to compete in the pro league

tbh I really don't see what the problem with the BSL13 system (and previous) was exactly..

why change something that works well? (especially the addition of "last chance tour" for two spots was a good idea, imo)
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
February 11 2022 19:47 GMT
#62
I assume it had something to do with some persons (mainly artosis?) thinking/claiming that the "Eu-Inflation of mmr" makes things unfair.

Now I am not sure at all this had impact on the change up and Im also not entirely sure I got this right but this is the thing I assume could have played a role .. to make it "more equal"/"fair"


Could be completely wrong though.
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LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1772 Posts
February 11 2022 20:09 GMT
#63
There were even more and longer discussions about the previous process and its suspected flaws. Those can be found both on TLnet and the BSL Discord.
LML
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1545 Posts
February 11 2022 22:25 GMT
#64
I don't believe we will have situation where 1750 mmr player qualifies for BSL ProLeague.
I just wanted to point out clearly that Asia has four spots in BSL14 qualifiers.

For those who complain: Wait till the end of qualifiers.

Personally I'm more afraid of lack of best players in South American representation than Asian representation.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28706 Posts
February 11 2022 23:07 GMT
#65
I do agree that we have to wait for the end of the qualifiers. Hopefully/expectedly some more chinese players will sign up the next week.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-12 09:00:37
February 12 2022 08:59 GMT
#66
riiiiight..

well I hope it'll end up working out well but it is definitely more confusing than ever before. Hopefully no big drama will ensue because of it.

I still like the old system much better but my voice doesn't matter so all I'm waiting for are amazing foreign BW games played by the best there are in the end
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-12 13:57:38
February 12 2022 12:54 GMT
#67
No, this system is correct.

If there is some deviation and the number of spots for a region does not reflect an adequate level of mmr then the system has to correct itself in the next qualification season.

The region that fails to have enough players that reach that mmr will have to be penalized in having reduced spots the next go-around. It's a natural weighting scenario.

I've implemented algorithms for this type of stuff in the past and in the average case it works quite well.

Knee-jerk reactions are not warranted.
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1545 Posts
February 14 2022 21:40 GMT
#68
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
February 14 2022 22:08 GMT
#69
sweet
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43203 Posts
February 14 2022 23:52 GMT
#70
For clarity, I’m listed as Europe there but am playing as NA.
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Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland582 Posts
February 15 2022 00:47 GMT
#71
Does that mean Artosis belongs to Asia + Oceania?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43203 Posts
February 15 2022 02:32 GMT
#72
On February 15 2022 09:47 Bonyth wrote:
Does that mean Artosis belongs to Asia + Oceania?

I don’t think they’re doing regional slots for hasuleague.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
February 15 2022 15:58 GMT
#73
On February 15 2022 11:32 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2022 09:47 Bonyth wrote:
Does that mean Artosis belongs to Asia + Oceania?

I don’t think they’re doing regional slots for hasuleague.

lmao.. so dirty
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-16 01:13:37
February 16 2022 01:12 GMT
#74
On February 15 2022 11:32 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2022 09:47 Bonyth wrote:
Does that mean Artosis belongs to Asia + Oceania?

I don’t think they’re doing regional slots for hasuleague.




[image loading]
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43203 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-16 04:08:36
February 16 2022 02:57 GMT
#75
On February 16 2022 10:12 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2022 11:32 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2022 09:47 Bonyth wrote:
Does that mean Artosis belongs to Asia + Oceania?

I don’t think they’re doing regional slots for hasuleague.




[image loading]

Wasn't a joke, was my best guess at where his ladder ranking would place him. Gosuleague is a seriously competitive pool these days. Plenty of good players in hasuleague.

Just to be sure though I checked and hasuleague is right.


[image loading]
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 16 2022 09:03 GMT
#76
you couldn't make this up lol
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LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1772 Posts
February 16 2022 10:22 GMT
#77
On February 16 2022 11:57 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2022 10:12 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On February 15 2022 11:32 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2022 09:47 Bonyth wrote:
Does that mean Artosis belongs to Asia + Oceania?

I don’t think they’re doing regional slots for hasuleague.




[image loading]

Wasn't a joke, was my best guess at where his ladder ranking would place him. Gosuleague is a seriously competitive pool these days. Plenty of good players in hasuleague.

Just to be sure though I checked and hasuleague is right.


[image loading]


Based on historical data, he would likely get into GosuLeague with that ranking. There are plenty of players who don't confirm their participation for various reasons.
LML
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
February 19 2022 09:07 GMT
#78
eagerly awaiting the ladder results

looks like we got even more insanely high level close competition this time around
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bracala
Profile Joined August 2019
95 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-19 10:22:02
February 19 2022 10:21 GMT
#79
On February 15 2022 08:52 KwarK wrote:
For clarity, I’m listed as Europe there but am playing as NA.


dude you are so bad i think nobody give a damn where are you listed (no hard feelings you are just bad).
Grow up and stop ban people who tell you that you are bad,you are no 10 years old and this is internet.

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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-19 11:19:08
February 19 2022 11:18 GMT
#80
On February 19 2022 19:21 bracala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2022 08:52 KwarK wrote:
For clarity, I’m listed as Europe there but am playing as NA.


dude you are so bad i think nobody give a damn where are you listed (no hard feelings you are just bad).
Grow up and stop ban people who tell you that you are bad,you are no 10 years old and this is internet.

"bad"? lol.. sure.. still better than Artosis though
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