• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:32
CET 10:32
KST 18:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 282HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BSL Season 21 - Complete Results Bleak Future After Failed ProGaming Career [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1956 users

[R]Post every top North American player + ranking - Page 9

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 16 Next All
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 27 2007 16:30 GMT
#161
Oh ya.. I forgot about Chosen - USA - (Z)

He's probably just below Top Tier, but a bit above 2nd tier from USA.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2934 Posts
July 27 2007 16:31 GMT
#162
On July 26 2007 02:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2007 02:11 scrapperdog wrote:
On July 25 2007 19:06 oshibori_probe wrote:
Day 8
Testie 7.5
Nony 9
Assem 8ish
Xiaozi 8ish
Oldy 8ish


I dont agree with some of these but wanted to say it is about time someone ranked Nony higher than oldy. I strongly believe Nony is the better player and he has DOUBLE Oldys apm (im just stating a fact, plz no apm arguments here, I know there are many other factors involved in how to rate a player).

Oldy is A- rank and 133-48 or something on iccup. This would suggest hes better than nony I don't mean to suggest that nony is doing bad or that this is an example that oldy is clearly superior. Just saying that it's perfectly acceptable to rank oldy a bit higher than nony.

hmm well I guess im biased due to seeing alot more of nony than oldy
Fuck KeSPA.
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
July 27 2007 16:32 GMT
#163
ash.city oWNz Joo ALL!!!
10 Gold Stars AsApLY
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
July 27 2007 16:36 GMT
#164
lol xeris saying chosen is above me/crayon/failsafe/artosis is quite laughable IMO
froginyoursoup
Profile Joined May 2007
United States19 Posts
July 27 2007 17:20 GMT
#165
Whats the point of listing second tier players, it's basically players who have built up a reputation but are not very skilled at all, if they are truly the next best gamers in their respected country, then sc is in bad shape (competitive wise) . Not all of the best players in a country choose to take part in a national team, therefor it's a farce to list half of those players. Just my 2 cents.
dementus
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Singapore1151 Posts
July 27 2007 17:35 GMT
#166
who's this sugo fella anyways? can someone link a thread where he did/posted something stupid?
"I couldn't stop myself from having unreal macro and sick timing senses."
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
July 27 2007 17:52 GMT
#167
Awwww Xeris you don't even list me in the second tier of USA players? =)
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
July 27 2007 17:56 GMT
#168
And I just have to say... I do not think Artosis is by any means on the same level as Idra. No offense, he's been my friend since ye olde SFR days, but it's true T_T
CoralReefer
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada2069 Posts
July 27 2007 18:22 GMT
#169
it's sad that these are the best players in north america. guess this shows that bw is really in decline.
And this hot potato has vanished into thin air.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 27 2007 18:33 GMT
#170
waldon my hero.
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
July 27 2007 19:12 GMT
#171
On July 28 2007 03:22 CoralReefer wrote:
it's sad that these are the best players in north america. guess this shows that bw is really in decline.


Well if there were ever a worthwhile live tournament that wasnt based around a poopsocker online ladder(WCG) I think it would give more drive to the truly top players.

I can't speak for anyone that has been listed, but seriously for a good non-korean player there is almost no reason to even bother practicing. I've always been pretty casual about finding matches and fuck these days unless you have dudes on your aim its nearly impossible to find game. : ]

And dont be upset that BW is "in decline." Shit is old as hell. Most of these dudes have been playing at least 3-4 years I think if not much more. ; ]
Broom
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
July 27 2007 22:55 GMT
#172
On July 28 2007 03:22 CoralReefer wrote:
it's sad that these are the best players in north america. guess this shows that bw is really in decline.

i was trying to avoid this thread cuz it was doomed for failure from the start but seriously... shut the fuck up.
your list shows you know next to nothing about the level of any of the players in either country. in the world cup usa and canada were both heavy favorites to win, we're probably 2 of the top 3 teams outside of korea at the moment. your ignorance of the players does not constitute lack of quality.
(idra on skews account)
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 27 2007 23:31 GMT
#173
Ya... even if you look @ ICCUP ladder ... USA and Canada are both top 5 in 1v1 and 2v2...

especially USA , we have more people at the B- and higher level than anyone else except Korea.

Our national teams outclass almost every other also.

So even though "those are the best in north america" they are still better than anyone from everywhere except the top 2-3 from Germany, and a handful of Polish dudes in relation to the foreign scene.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 27 2007 23:38 GMT
#174
On July 28 2007 08:31 Xeris wrote:
especially USA , we have more people at the B- and higher level than anyone else except Korea.


20% of them are me lol!
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Nal_CrayOn
Profile Joined December 2004
600 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-27 23:56:10
July 27 2007 23:50 GMT
#175
Just ask players for this. U will just bring more bm and all the fan boys here.

For me
USA
Terran idra/skew/assem
Toss g5/nony/dino
Zerg crayon/inc/day

Canada
Terran : Schism (wouldn't be top terran if he was from usa)
Toss : testie/oldy/jf/tt1(same as schism)
Zerg : timothy raptor etc..(same as schism as well)

And USA is prob best country outside of Korea if country does 10 1v1s or something.

p.s. lol @ sugo kid made me laugh on forum
#1 Pharmacist zerg~ =]
PluS
Profile Joined January 2005
United States80 Posts
July 28 2007 00:00 GMT
#176
hmm dino is pretty good he beat lomo[fou] progamer ;;
thats good but i dont think he can win bo3 ^^

so dino is like a 8
Go Fuck Yourself
ReY
Profile Joined July 2007
8 Posts
July 28 2007 01:39 GMT
#177
WTF nobody says Oem)CyrAx ?????
he is very good Terran from USA !!!!
aka nAi.CyrAx now
o_O;;
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 28 2007 01:40 GMT
#178
he was not really anymore.
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-28 02:12:24
July 28 2007 02:06 GMT
#179
I think Testie has said he has lost interest and his passion for BW for maybe 4 years running.

We could even pull out old threads from this forum.

The trouble is, when he focuses, he crushes most of the foreign competition this side of Mondragon and Draco.

Its hard not to rate him as one of the top foreigners, but like you imply it is all about the here and now, and it would come down to his individual focus.

I think his tournament pedigree online and off is pretty damn impressive though, and I can't say that for most of the people we've listed.

Edit: No disrespect to anyone intended either.
All of these players who are in the top north american scene are 100 times or more greater than I will ever be, and I've played the game for 8 years!

On July 25 2007 11:58 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
dino very much so does NOT suck. He however, like many NA/USA(more specifically) has attitude issues which makes him a complete wild card.

Skew[USA] - 9
Testie[CAN] 7/8 (I know him personally, he has said he has lost his passion for BW and is playing DOTA atm. He lost to Mondragon P v T (testie P) just yesterday. Unless he improves hes seriously not anywhere near what you guys know him as.
IdrA[USA] - 8 (I'd rank him higher but his inability to beat a T and his inconsistancy vs P makes him worse. However vs Z their is none more dangerous in NA imo.)
Oldy[CAN] - 8
Iefnaij[CAN] - 7
Assem[USA] - 10 (playing ICCUP about B rank if not B+ atm)
Artosis[USA] - 6
Crayon[USA] - 8
Nony[USA] - 7
G5[USA] - 8
Day[USA] - 7.5 (dunno his activity level / not great vs P/Z)
Dino[USA] - 8
Target[Light][CAN] - 7
Schism[Light][CAN] - 7 (dunno his other mu but his tvz/tvp was pretty impressive)
XiaoZi[CAN] - 10 (if he plays / counts he is as dangerous as Assem/Testie[in shape].)
iNcontroL[USA] - 8 (I'm starting to mass game ICCUP again / practice with ToT for WCG)

I'm sure I forgot a bunch. I purposely left out TT1 because he said he quit the foreigner scene, but watch his ass come asking for this tourney

PR said to leave out players like Smuft/Grrrr etc.. which several of you promptly ignored. They are inactive/has beens that come back for several events. So you can maybe make a case for Smuft in this one since he tried very hard and did very well for that ESL thingy or w/e but they are to be left out otherwise.

Nyoken has allegedly broken his CD and quit BW. He has said this 30 times though so who knows.

Bandit is inactive? Hung hacks. BlackJack is retired completely. Nero is retired completely.
Mexican players atm are not even worth mentioning imo, nor can I gauge them since their activity alternates so frequently.
sex appeal
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-28 02:42:30
July 28 2007 02:26 GMT
#180
I have never said I lost interest or my passion before, actually, until last year.

Edit: You must be confusing me with Midian who's been emo for years.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech146
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2084
EffOrt 1712
Rain 952
Flash 783
actioN 562
Jaedong 365
Barracks 233
Pusan 167
Dewaltoss 126
Leta 122
[ Show more ]
hero 121
Mini 110
ZerO 74
Larva 72
Shuttle 62
Soma 53
Light 49
sSak 44
Mind 42
Soulkey 38
ToSsGirL 35
Backho 24
Sharp 20
GoRush 17
NotJumperer 15
Shinee 14
zelot 14
SilentControl 7
Sea.KH 4
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm122
XcaliburYe44
febbydoto23
League of Legends
C9.Mang0296
JimRising 0
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss907
allub198
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King1008
Westballz25
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor162
Other Games
summit1g7382
ceh9403
Happy315
crisheroes153
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 38
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2713
• Lourlo1246
• Stunt871
• HappyZerGling100
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
28m
WardiTV Invitational
2h 28m
YoungYakov vs MaxPax
ByuN vs herO
SHIN vs Classic
Creator vs Cure
Replay Cast
14h 28m
RongYI Cup
2 days
herO vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-04
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.