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Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 03:34:03
June 02 2007 00:31 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Poll: Google Video or You Tube?
(Vote): Google Video, single files are better
(Vote): You Tube, we like playlists and subscribing
(Vote): Don't Care, either is fine.

here are a few more commentaries from the MSL Week 1.2 Matches played earlier today. I actually have never seen these games before since I overslept this morning and I didn't watch the vods before commentating. So let me know if you prefer this style or the style of the other vods.

Also some people suggested youtube and I'm posting the videos on that today. I like the nifty features like subscribers and stuff, but the 10 minute limit is a bit of a pain, so let me know what everyone prefers. I guess this way is easier for ppl to track when I upload a new commentary.

Savior vs Stork Part 1/3

Savior vs Stork 2/3

Savior vs Stork 3/3


I'll post links to the other games as I get them uploaded to youtube.

Nalra vs Julyzerg Part 1/2

Nal_ra vs July Part 2/2

Xellos vs 910 - Python

Note: I did make a misjudgement in my commentary on this game so appologies for that - see spoiler for details.
+ Show Spoiler +

Note: I didn't comment at the end on just how badly xello's economy got owned by those wraiths, but i ran out of time since i wanted to keep the video under 10 mins. So appologies for that


GoRush vs Sea - GomTV_Loki Part 1/2

GoRush vs Sea GomTV_Loki 2/2

Note I reduced the mic input on WMM for the Gorush vs Sea game, so do let me know if the sound is better now and I'll stick with that setting in the future klaz.
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
June 02 2007 00:49 GMT
#2
Google Video
i'll be watching these after i watch official vod's first
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
June 02 2007 00:50 GMT
#3
GREAT ima watch them righrt now;)
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
zoast
Profile Joined February 2007
United States91 Posts
June 02 2007 00:51 GMT
#4
nice!

I really enjoy hearing these commentaries and I love your enthusiasm.
+ Show Spoiler +

Im sure its not easy to do this but the only improvement I can think of is to cut back on the "uh"s and "i i i"s.

thanks for these
I dont like stuff that sucks
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 01:04:38
June 02 2007 00:54 GMT
#5
my question was mentioned , yay

its nice to see that you improve also, after a couple more you'll be even better.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
June 02 2007 00:56 GMT
#6
I like your commentaries. Something of a nitpick though, just cause it ground upon my nerves:

It is Corsair (KOR-ss-air)
Not Crosshair.

Thanks for sharing, quality stuff.
born-to-porn
Profile Joined January 2004
Denmark400 Posts
June 02 2007 01:00 GMT
#7
I love your commentaries, so keep up the good work.

You should definitely use Googlevideo since having the entire game in one big file is just so much more convenient.
Nobody beats the Beater
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
June 02 2007 01:00 GMT
#8
hmm I lost 58k on fragbet on this matchup
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 02 2007 01:02 GMT
#9
T_T I was going to do this one too... but luckily I have a new trick up my sleeve

Great VOD again, I think you so far are the best in the TL Commentary contest. Too much 'and and and and' but accent is awesome and you are enthusiastic at the same time as being informative about players, strategies, and what's going on. 10/10!!!
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
June 02 2007 01:02 GMT
#10
On June 02 2007 10:00 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
hmm I lost 58k on fragbet on this matchup


Jesus forgives, he'll help you get your money back.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 01:05:39
June 02 2007 01:04 GMT
#11
you really speak insanly fast sometimes, and with some practice you will be able to do it without any stutter and that will fucking RULE

wolf where can i listen to your commentary?
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
June 02 2007 01:10 GMT
#12
On June 02 2007 10:02 bErAtEd- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2007 10:00 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
hmm I lost 58k on fragbet on this matchup


Jesus forgives, he'll help you get your money back.


I'm at zero now.

#Op I'm watching it right now, like I said before it sounds good and it's only the intro! It's starting now!!
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 02 2007 01:11 GMT
#13
If you choose to put them on Youtube, you should probably use more specific tags, like include the player names. Just for ease of finding them.
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 01:14:40
June 02 2007 01:14 GMT
#14
jyvblamo I do put player names as well as map name in the tag? Nal_ra vs July should be up soon, just being processed by youtube atm
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
June 02 2007 01:17 GMT
#15
you should do it in youtube because ppl can subscribe to you and your channel.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 02 2007 01:18 GMT
#16
On June 02 2007 10:14 Klaz wrote:
jyvblamo I do put player names as well as map name in the tag? Nal_ra vs July should be up soon, just being processed by youtube atm


Ah I see, my mistake. I just thought you didn't because the other parts of the video weren't showing up in the 'related' videos section. Maybe it's because you used too many general tags like "starcraft korea pro-gaming e-sports".
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
June 02 2007 01:21 GMT
#17
Nal_ra vs July is up
Zor222
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United Kingdom88 Posts
June 02 2007 01:22 GMT
#18
Brilliant commentary!
My actual TL id is Elric... but I lost login access... :(
I-Emerge
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States435 Posts
June 02 2007 01:42 GMT
#19
Thanks!

I understnd the restriction of time when uploading a vod to YutTube. I am happy you chose to do so anyways. I also agree with you that Savior sems to have figured out that spreading a player thin like he was vs Bisu is something that he could use as well. Are you going to customise your channel on YouTube for commentaries?

---I-Emerge

+ Show Spoiler +
P.S. One of the things that separates a good muscian from a great one is the ablility to use silence.
A punch is just a punch. Then a punch becomes more than a punch. A punch becomes just a punch again.
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
June 02 2007 01:45 GMT
#20
On June 02 2007 10:42 I-Emerge wrote:
Thanks!

I understnd the restriction of time when uploading a vod to YutTube. I am happy you chose to do so anyways. I also agree with you that Savior sems to have figured out that spreading a player thin like he was vs Bisu is something that he could use as well. Are you going to customise your channel on YouTube for commentaries?

---I-Emerge

+ Show Spoiler +
P.S. One of the things that separates a good muscian from a great one is the ablility to use silence.


I'm not sure how the customise channel thingy works, I've only just started using youtube so i will have to play around with it a bit. Not sure if I will stick with you tube since most ppl here seem to prefer google video but I dunno.
GodsDevil[5thF]
Profile Joined February 2006
Romania622 Posts
June 02 2007 01:59 GMT
#21
any fp vod of savior vs Stork
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
June 02 2007 02:04 GMT
#22
can i watch googlevideo in fullscreen mode aswell? coz the one having full screen obviously wins
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 02:27:20
June 02 2007 02:07 GMT
#23
One really tiny tiny criticism.. don't say "ummmm" all the time!!

but otherwise GREAT work THX!!!

PS. Its corsair not croshair.

But i'm just being really picky. Really enjoy ur vods man.
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
June 02 2007 02:20 GMT
#24
I guess I say umm.. and stutter a bit because I talk so fast and there is so much going on that I don't have a chance to recollect my thoughts and those serve to give me thinking time. I'll try and work on it and not say anything when i'm trying to think but it all happens so fast it's reflex and hard to control.

Xellos vs 910 is up btw.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 02:25:05
June 02 2007 02:24 GMT
#25
Once again, awesome commentary and stuff, although I have to disagree with some of the finer points of your analysis.

Savior vs. Stork:
It looked like Savior was anticipating FE with a 3hatch build, but instead he got 1gate tech. He purposely showed Stork the fast lords + hydras outside the nat, which is typical for lurk contains or hydra all-ins before doing an unexpected drop. Also, I think Savior was waiting for drop research, not lurker aspect, to finish before going in.

Nal_rA vs. July
rA lost because of the attempted expansion I think, since he was forced to position his zealots farther away from his ramp or otherwise lose the nexus warping in, although he definitely could have microed better when he saw the lings. You could tell July was going for a hydra/ling attack instead of hydra/lurk just from the hydra speed upgrade, since you skip that for lurker aspect otherwise. Oh and the difference between speedlings and normal lings is pretty obvious I think

Otherwise, very insightful and correct comments
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
June 02 2007 02:27 GMT
#26
thanks for the insights, i agree that savior was prolly fake showing

I think Nal_ra lost cause of failed rush cause he was then behind in economy and had no choice but to expand, if he hadn't then july would have had too much of a lead anyways. Ya usually I can tell, it seemed to me that those lings weren't upgraded at the time I made that comment but I found that surprising since it was pretty late in the game so i had expected july to have upgraded them.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
June 02 2007 02:38 GMT
#27
Hmm... you're right. 2gate rushes are really more do-or-die builds. Although economically, I think it's safe to say rA probably had more probes on one base than July had drones on both bases, since July had to cut a lot of drone production for mass lings.

Failed 2gate into expo builds are pretty much vulnerable to anything: 3hatch lings, 3hatch hydras, 3hatch mutas.
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
June 02 2007 02:38 GMT
#28
Omg your from ireland! Can't wait!!
#1 Kwanro[saM] fan!
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
June 02 2007 02:53 GMT
#29
klaz, i agree with them about the umm etc but you are quite new to this right?
you will delete more umms as time goes by.

cant be flawless in start but you sure are better than most shoutcasts ive heard..
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
zurg
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1923 Posts
June 02 2007 02:57 GMT
#30
god job man
really great
우리는 대-한민국입니다
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
June 02 2007 03:21 GMT
#31
heh abit missjudgement in that last game, xellos had like 9 scvs total.. 7 in exp and 2 or 3 in main.. and 910 had like 20 scv main and expo with lots... xellos should have called gg much earlier
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
johannordholm
Profile Joined December 2006
Sweden48 Posts
June 02 2007 03:24 GMT
#32
What the hell, 10 min limit? Stop use that site just for that reason.
Nice commentaries nonetheless.
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 03:34:49
June 02 2007 03:28 GMT
#33
On June 02 2007 12:21 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
heh abit missjudgement in that last game, xellos had like 9 scvs total.. 7 in exp and 2 or 3 in main.. and 910 had like 20 scv main and expo with lots... xellos should have called gg much earlier


ya i realised that at the end but ran out of time because i wanted to keep the vid at 10 minutes lol. But ya misjudgement by me there. It's just I've never seen a terran lose because of wraith harass. Usually it does a bit of damage but isn't game crippling. I was too busy comenting on everything else going on to actually notice and count how many SCV's xellos had left (i just assumed he would be fine).

One of the disadvantages of commenting without ever seeing the game b4 i guess. So appologies again for that.

p.s.

GoRush vs Sea up now.

I won't be doing any more for a few days though got other work to catch up on!
Zor222
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United Kingdom88 Posts
June 02 2007 03:38 GMT
#34
haha :D @ the time out in your analysis at one point where you paused mid-flow to appreciate one of the spectators: "yea, she's nice"
My actual TL id is Elric... but I lost login access... :(
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
June 02 2007 04:00 GMT
#35
Damn, nice commentaries. I wished I didn't watch all of the games already so I could've enjoyed them with your commentaries the first time I watched them. But still great commentaries, I'll wait for it next time there are new games.
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
June 02 2007 04:18 GMT
#36
Gokai - I appreciate the complement but i prolly won't be able to make a new one till the next MSL matches or OSL matches. Since i have work to do for the next few days. But I'm sure one of the other guys like superwolf, sr18, azn or seraphim will be doing one
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 02 2007 04:46 GMT
#37
nice job =]
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
June 02 2007 04:50 GMT
#38
She is nice indeed.
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
June 02 2007 05:11 GMT
#39
klaz 4 prez!
Sosha
Profile Joined August 2004
United States749 Posts
June 02 2007 05:20 GMT
#40
KlaZ, props!
Not only thx for uploading the videos of some of the most recent matches on uTube, but the commentary was great! Simply great!
Everything about ur commentary was dead on - and exactly how it should be. You did a great job w/ the play-by-play and also making use of the maps they were playing on, and making notice of what the players should and shouldn't have been doing.
Poor Protoss =[
both Stork and Nal_rA fell to the swarm.. but it wasn't really a surprise. All Zerg have upperhand at beginning and when they're pro to, they will definately make good use of their early advantages.
You saw it in both games, the sheer dominance that Z can exude. With Stork v Savior - it was the drops, one after another. There are certain weapons the Z has that makes any attempt to defend against those useless. He tried to hold a frontal guard, while he expo'd - so he just dropped over n over.
In the Nal_rA v JulyZerg match, you know that if Kang didn't know whether July was going to hydra or muta, and he spent a lot of money on cannons at his front and natural expo, July would have either went muta or drops too. So either way, there is no way to be safe from Zerg. The fact that they get that expo so quick, by the time Protoss gets their expansion secured they've been harassed so much or set back possibly, that Zerg gets another 1-2 expos and it just continues from there. It takes some really spectacular play for the Protoss to get the upperhand - however, it's often called "cheese" =[

GJ w/ the commentary, again!
By far, the best commentary i've heard, in english, so far!
Tranquility through fluid Motion. GlowBabyGlow.
abandonallhope
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Sweden563 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 07:21:39
June 02 2007 05:56 GMT
#41
Watched them all and liked them all, keep them coming!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
June 02 2007 06:11 GMT
#42
On June 02 2007 14:20 Sosha wrote:

both Stork and Nal_rA fell to the swarm.. but it wasn't really a surprise. All Zerg have upperhand at beginning and when they're pro to, they will definately make good use of their early advantages.
You saw it in both games, the sheer dominance that Z can exude.


Haha okay, it maybe wasnt nal_ra going expansion before cannons vs 3 hatch or stork trying 1 gateway expansion with templar, corsair and robo tech against hydralurker drops. Right, it's because zvp is so imbalanced p cant live more than 10 minutes. ok.
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
June 02 2007 06:47 GMT
#43
wow, just watched the savior vs stork commentaries... BEST commentaries i've heard in english!! great background speeches on the players and map!!

<3<3<3
lokiM(gG)
Profile Joined April 2007
United States111 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 06:51:24
June 02 2007 06:49 GMT
#44
Your audio's are decent, btw GoRush is insanely good and hes always been good and he doesn't do basic or "uninventive" stuff... watch him vs savior he won with 2 hatch and tried to rush a infested command center and if you read his interview he explained the whole strategy and no1 ever does that, so GoRush is very inventive imo, I stopped like 3minutes in on the GoRush audio I couldn't take it anymore =/
Hio
abandonallhope
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Sweden563 Posts
June 02 2007 07:20 GMT
#45
On June 02 2007 15:49 lokiM(gG) wrote:
Your audio's are decent, btw GoRush is insanely good and hes always been good and he doesn't do basic or "uninventive" stuff... watch him vs savior he won with 2 hatch and tried to rush a infested command center and if you read his interview he explained the whole strategy and no1 ever does that, so GoRush is very inventive imo, I stopped like 3minutes in on the GoRush audio I couldn't take it anymore =/

Uh, he is a far better commentator than you and most people on this site I believe, so atleast give him some constructive criticism or do it better yourself if you are gonna whine.
Only Tasteless is a better commentator in my opinion.

Go go Klazar!
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
June 02 2007 07:44 GMT
#46
On June 02 2007 16:20 abandonallhope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2007 15:49 lokiM(gG) wrote:
Your audio's are decent, btw GoRush is insanely good and hes always been good and he doesn't do basic or "uninventive" stuff... watch him vs savior he won with 2 hatch and tried to rush a infested command center and if you read his interview he explained the whole strategy and no1 ever does that, so GoRush is very inventive imo, I stopped like 3minutes in on the GoRush audio I couldn't take it anymore =/

Uh, he is a far better commentator than you and most people on this site I believe, so atleast give him some constructive criticism or do it better yourself if you are gonna whine.
Only Tasteless is a better commentator in my opinion.

Go go Klazar!

agreed... Tasteless is the only comparable commentator I've heard so far. Again, keep up that great work!
trickser
Profile Joined October 2006
Germany139 Posts
June 02 2007 07:57 GMT
#47
The Sea vs gorush game really sounds a lot better. Voice sounds much better then.
Heart Catch Pre-Cure. Saa Mina De! Heart Catch Pre-Cure Hanasaka Seyo!
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
June 02 2007 10:23 GMT
#48
On June 02 2007 15:49 lokiM(gG) wrote:
Your audio's are decent, btw GoRush is insanely good and hes always been good and he doesn't do basic or "uninventive" stuff... watch him vs savior he won with 2 hatch and tried to rush a infested command center and if you read his interview he explained the whole strategy and no1 ever does that, so GoRush is very inventive imo, I stopped like 3minutes in on the GoRush audio I couldn't take it anymore =/


hehe, i understand your feelings. unfortunately if you listend to the rest of the audio u would see that I did talk about that desperado game vs savior and also later admit he can be inventive. It's just that i've seen a lot of his recent games (last season) and in proleague where he lacks lusture. and ofc i'm always comparing him to savior. that's a tough yardstick to measure anyone by.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-02 13:35:39
June 02 2007 13:14 GMT
#49
Most entertaining commentaries I've ever seen. PLEASE, keep them coming! :D Loved them all. You have a good voice, your speak continuously, and you have interesting things to say. Plus you have a kick ass accent

Cheers, I look forward to seeing more

PS: I prefer youtube because it's easier to download (google lets me download one, and then screws up when I go to the second for some reason). I watch them on my iPod

EDIT: Actually I figured out how to get it to work with google (I restart firefox after each dl) so change my vote to google Much better dl speed there anyway.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
June 02 2007 15:26 GMT
#50
Loved them all, just like the last batch. Sad to see you won't do anymore for the next few days, but I'm extremely excited for the next batch!

Keep up the great work, Klazart! =D
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2751 Posts
June 02 2007 18:21 GMT
#51
i think you say crossair instead of corsair all the time?
prepare
Profile Joined July 2007
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-04 10:14:21
July 04 2007 09:36 GMT
#52
I don't know if this goes under in this big topic, but i actually only registered to tell you how much i am enjoying to listen to your audios, and to motivate you to keep em coming.

So thanks a lot, you're excellent. I watched quite some hours already! The best moments are when even you are baffled and it goes: "Okay i can't see how this move makes sense, i really don't think that can work in any way" followed by a "OMG it works out. Genious play, absolutely genius...etc" like saviors mutalisk harass vs shinhan on neo arkanoid in game 5, Or Iloveoov rushing a single tank and winning the game with it.
Thats not to say you don't know what you're talking about, it's just cool to see that these guys pull off things that even an experienced commentator doesn't count with.

Only the speech quality could be better, but that's a technical thing guess you need to choose a low bandwidth.
Oh and it so often seems to be the maps fault if savior loses, it's suspicious

So thanks again, and i hope you keep doing these a long time.
I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And Im all out of bubblegum.
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July 04 2007 10:16 GMT
#53
You bumped an old topic and should have put in in the big one, but I personally forgive you for the Duke Nukem signature :D

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